Way too many people are talking about Fury as a top 10 HW of all-time. His resume does not stack up at that level. He has 2 good wins total. Every other fighter he has faced is a bum. And his good wins aren't all that impressive. Wilder is the most overrated boxer in history. 0 wins total vs good competition. Wilder literally cannot box. All he is a one trick pony. Not that impressive considering he also had a draw vs Wilder. I thought the judges robbed Wilder in the first fight. His other impressive win was vs a 39 year old Klitschko. Good win but the man was heading to the retirement. Not even close to the same fighter. His skills were diminishing at that point. No one is touting Joshua as a GOAT for beating the same Klitschko. I want to see Fury beat more good competition before I crown him.
I agree that if you go through his entire history of fights it's average or even below average, and he's even struggled in some of those. People forget that he genuinely ducked David Price back when it looked like Price might be a real threat as well. However, all that said, his two best wins against Wilder and Klitschko are so good that they eclipse all that, and arguably eclipse everyone else's best achievements at the weight right now. There's a clear divide between his career pre and post 2014 or so - back when he was on the UK domestic scene there weren't that many who would have picked him to become a worldbeater, the general perception was that he was just big without being skilled enough to really hack it on the world stage so long as the Klitschkos were still around, but he made massive improvements to his game just before he really arrived at world level. You can't look past the eye test as well - if he performs like he did on Saturday night, who would you pick to beat him? There's nobody who I'd pick right now and not that many I'd pick even out of all the great heavyweights of yore.
Mike Tyson has 7 career wins vs the Boxrec top 150. Tyson Fury has a total of 2 career wins vs the Top 150. Tysons resume was light years better than Furys at this point.
Yeah and iron mike was ktfo in his prime by tomato can Douglas fury has never been stopped
Not top 10 of all time, but without a doubt the best guy in division right now.
If I was heavyweight boxing champ, I would be f.ucking scared of Fury. This guy comes to your homeyard , beats you and takes your belts.
Beating the two champions of his era in their own countries is enough for me.
Any other boxer would be praised.... give Fury his props....... the fact he came back from obesity makes this win all the sweeter.
The question is can he be praised without going over the top and just being ridiculous about it?
Beat Chisora twice
Beat Wilder twice
Beat Klitschko
His resume is one of the best heavyweight resumes today. What kind of drugs are you on?
Chisora has 9 losses already in his career and is ranked the #717 Heavyweight of all-time. His ranking is similar to Frans Botha, but no one is giving that as a quality win for Mike Tyson.
Let's look at it this way. M Tyson a lot of people claim is the best or top 5 yet his best win was a career light heavy Spinks. Beat no one else decent a 40 year Holmes who had been retired for 2 years. Then lost to Buster yet people make all the excuses about his mind state trainer change etc so what his own fault can't base jis career on IFs. Fury went into depression, drugged up, cases with the british boxing board, 400lbs still made it back. Lewis won Tyson later on their careers his best win was Holyfield. Neither Tyson or Lewis fought Bowe and neither did they fight each other in prime. Tired of people always claiming it was so far better then this era no it wasn't. Fury beat Klitschko on points on away soil, when Klit has been champ for 12 years and has 24 title defences in his career Fury stopped him getting to Joe Louis record of 25. He then came back from 2 n a half years with all his problems weight gain drug addiciton etc and got a draw with Wilder (which he should have won) he now again went to America stopped Wilder (who has 41KO before some of you bang on about his resume its no different then M Tyson beating bums in the 80s but you lot still hype him as goat) Wilder was champ 5 years and had 10 title defences and Fury stopped him getting beating Alis record and give him his first L. Not hating on M Tyson or Lewis both greats but hate it when people do not give credit to Wlad Fury Wilder AJ as if they would not be able to compete yes they would. And Furys 2 wins are huge Wlad and Wilder
Mike Tyson has 7 career wins vs the Boxrec top 150. Tyson Fury has a total of 2 career wins vs the Top 150. Tysons resume was light years better than Furys at this point.
Let's look at it this way. M Tyson a lot of people claim is the best or top 5 yet his best win was a career light heavy Spinks. Beat no one else decent a 40 year Holmes who had been retired for 2 years. Then lost to Buster yet people make all the excuses about his mind state trainer change etc so what his own fault can't base jis career on IFs. Fury went into depression, drugged up, cases with the british boxing board, 400lbs still made it back. Lewis won Tyson later on their careers his best win was Holyfield. Neither Tyson or Lewis fought Bowe and neither did they fight each other in prime. Tired of people always claiming it was so far better then this era no it wasn't. Fury beat Klitschko on points on away soil, when Klit has been champ for 12 years and has 24 title defences in his career Fury stopped him getting to Joe Louis record of 25. He then came back from 2 n a half years with all his problems weight gain drug addiciton etc and got a draw with Wilder (which he should have won) he now again went to America stopped Wilder (who has 41KO before some of you bang on about his resume its no different then M Tyson beating bums in the 80s but you lot still hype him as goat) Wilder was champ 5 years and had 10 title defences and Fury stopped him getting beating Alis record and give him his first L. Not hating on M Tyson or Lewis both greats but hate it when people do not give credit to Wlad Fury Wilder AJ as if they would not be able to compete yes they would. And Furys 2 wins are huge Wlad and Wilder
Way too many people are talking about Fury as a top 10 HW of all-time. His resume does not stack up at that level. He has 2 good wins total. Every other fighter he has faced is a bum. And his good wins aren't all that impressive. Wilder is the most overrated boxer in history. 0 wins total vs good competition. Wilder literally cannot box. All he is a one trick pony. Not that impressive considering he also had a draw vs Wilder. I thought the judges robbed Wilder in the first fight. His other impressive win was vs a 39 year old Klitschko. Good win but the man was heading to the retirement. Not even close to the same fighter. His skills were diminishing at that point. No one is touting Joshua as a GOAT for beating the same Klitschko. I want to see Fury beat more good competition before I crown him.
I agree with the criticism of Fury's resume and I think that his greatness has more to do with the "eyeball test" at this point.
He has done his best work against his best opponents and when I look at Tyson Fury, I see someone who would be favored to beat every other top heavyweight.
Is that the same as actually beating them? No it isn't and hopefully he will get a few more quality wins before he's done.
The only thing that matters is that, like all great champions, Fury will rise to the big occasion! He does it consistently. I could care less how many tomato cans he’s feasted on or struggled with -it’s the critical fights against top opposition that tell the story and thus far, he’s done a damn fine job.
I don't believe it makes much sense to start thinking about ATG status before a fighter has retired. But, with his wins over Klitschko and now Wilder, Fury is at least in the running for top HW in the 21st century so far.
Way too many people are talking about Fury as a top 10 HW of all-time. His resume does not stack up at that level. He has 2 good wins total. Every other fighter he has faced is a bum. And his good wins aren't all that impressive. Wilder is the most overrated boxer in history. 0 wins total vs good competition. Wilder literally cannot box. All he is a one trick pony. Not that impressive considering he also had a draw vs Wilder. I thought the judges robbed Wilder in the first fight. His other impressive win was vs a 39 year old Klitschko. Good win but the man was heading to the retirement. Not even close to the same fighter. His skills were diminishing at that point. No one is touting Joshua as a GOAT for beating the same Klitschko. I want to see Fury beat more good competition before I crown him.
- -U clowning U...priceless!
When you add everything up about fury he is an atg heavyweight. His IQ, his footwork, beating people in backyards, abusing himself for 3 years and still beating arguably no1 heavyweight twice. Everyone fury spars they say he is the most talented by far and they've sparred with josh, Wilder etc etc
Of course a few more wins won't hurt furys brand
This right here ^^^
When you add everything up about fury he is an atg heavyweight. His IQ, his footwork, beating people in backyards, abusing himself for 3 years and still beating arguably no1 heavyweight twice. Everyone fury spars they say he is the most talented by far and they've sparred with josh, Wilder etc etc
Of course a few more wins won't hurt furys brand
Looking into the deeper context of the fights it looks a little better (effectively ending the Klitschko era, beating Wilder twice in America using two completely different gameplans) and if after this he unifies hes definitely starting to build up a nice resume, probably fringe top 10 all time at HW.