He was extremely green, nowhere near his prime, plus he was weight drained. He had no amateur experience.
I mean the same people that claimed that Gervonta wasn't ready for Loma are over here claiming Canelo was this proven veteran.
Even still, it's not like that fight ruined Canelo like Tito/Vargas, he got better from it. It was nothing more than a multi-million dollar sparring session. Have them fight now, and Canelo bodybags him.
This version of nel o beats any version of Floyd at 154 or above
He was extremely green, nowhere near his prime, plus he was weight drained. He had no amateur experience.
I mean the same people that claimed that Gervonta wasn't ready for Loma are over here claiming Canelo was this proven veteran.
Even still, it's not like that fight ruined Canelo like Tito/Vargas, he got better from it. It was nothing more than a multi-million dollar sparring session. Have them fight now, and Canelo bodybags him.
Canelo wasn't green. He was a veteran fighter in his prime when he lost to Floyd. This wasn't like Loma fighting Lopez. The only thing that's changed is Canelo hasn't fought anyone half as talented Floyd since he got dominated and embarrassed by him.
Also Floyd haters have changed the meaning of the term "prime" so much over the years it's nearly lost all meaning. First it was number of fights, then it was age, the it became about world title experience, then it was about accumulated damage. It's always some new bull**** excuses.
People who bring up Mosley “ducking” Floyd with that tooth interview expose themselves as young. That was Shane stepping aside so his promoter could have the first crack at Floyd.
...that was Shane not wanting the fight.
Prime Shane and Prime DLH wouldnt give Floyd the time of day.
Prime Floyd beats prime Mosley easy (with OSDT) and Floyd and DLH are 50/50. At 154 DLH at 147 or lower Floyd
He was super green. I go back from time to time and watch his old fights and he was TERRIBLE!!!! Lil chunky kid. Had almost zero stamina, defense was sloppy, flat footed and didn't throw neither the combos and body work he puts into today. I wonder without the Floyd loss is this the same HoFamer we see today? I mean go back and watch his Jose Cotto fight....
Do you think Canelo was terrible against Austin Trout? Because that was a win to unify titles at 154.
Also, he fought Jose Cotto in 2010 which was three years before he fought Floyd.
Lol. “Agreed to it.” I proved to you that Canelo didn’t agree to 150 in 2013. Like I said, GED!
Slob knobber, get a life. Nobody cares for your manloving posts. Get off this site and off sauls cawk, boy.
I agree with you there.
Floyd still never challenged anyone in their prime. Mosley and De La Hoya would have destroyed the guy.
So why did Mosley and DLH duck Floyd ? Floyd called them out since the GATTI fight. Mosley even has the infamous dentist post-fight interview. . .
Even Floyd fanatics must understand that when they consider how the old, shot versions of them did.
Prime DLH and Floyd is 50/50 and depends on the weight imo.
Fernando Vargas might have beat up Floyd. He was brave af and better/stronger than Maidana
The key to beating Floyd was being DIRTY not BRAVE. Floyd got rattled when opponents got DIRTY.
See JLC 1, Maidana 1, Ortiz
I agree that there is no shame in losing to Floyd because to do so means you aren’t in your prime and just recently lost heading in. Also means you don’t have a reach advantage and you let the guy sign you up for random drug tests.
You gave him all the advantages. No shame.
Floyd beat Pacman and it was like 10-2 lol
lmfaoooo
He wasn't green at all but he also wasn't as good as he would later become. In my opinion, Canelo is at his very best right now. If he fought Floyd he would surely KHTFO
Also Floyd stayed good so long becuase his Boxing IQ is iff the charts and he never took much punishment. Plus if you only fight 2xs a year you can stay fresher i guess at that age.
You must be joking, Floyd would never fight a prime 160 -168 fighter.
If Floyd was active today, he would never mention Canelo`s name.
Not that but he is more well rounded and would have walked Floyd down now.
He's improved VASTLY !
Do you think he would've been competitive with Golovkin back in 2013 ?? How about Danny Jacobs or old Kovalev.
Have you not noticed the changes in how he fights now? I can't think of another fighter who's improved so much. He's much more explosive, his defense is way better, he's much more powerful, his stamina is WAY better...and his fighter's IQ is in a completely different league now. He was a decent fighter back then but he is a great fighter now.
This is true. I think he has improved by leaps and bounds.
Maybe you don’t understand chronological order?
Let me help you out. Rigo wanted a catch with Loma at 124 back in 2013. When they fought what weight was it? Do you understand the concept of time? Your dumbass brought up 150 as if it had relevance in 2013. Go get that GED bruh!
Maybe you dont understand that he agreed to it. Dont matter what other boxers you bring up. Saul agreed, end of story
Floyd had no issue fighting Oscar at the full 154lb weight limit, but he needed that 2 lb advantage vs Canelo. Why?
Cause Saul offered 150, then 152. Had he not said anything in the 1st place, there'd be no issue
What are complaining about? Lol. The conversation was correcting your comprehension for chronological facts. No boxer honors a catchweight for a duration of 2 years. Lol. You don’t understand boxing ;) “150 in 2011 doe”
He agreed to it, whether initially 150 or 152. End of story
He was far from prime. The Canelo today wouldve been more competitive with Floyd. This is prime Canelo but even this Canelo still has weakness and would struggle with fast fighters.
Mayweather schooled Canelo. Stop crying about a 2 lbs catchweight. It's 2 freakin lbs. You don't lose all 12 rounds because of 2 lbs. Canelo could have been 160 in that fight and still get dominated.
Floyd had no issue fighting Oscar at the full 154lb weight limit, but he needed that 2 lb advantage vs Canelo. Why?
Canelo was:
23 years old
43 professional fights
Coming off win over Trout who just beat Cotto
How green was he at the time? And how much has he improved since then?
Not green.
One major difference, he wasn't on PED's back then.
Canelo is so popular, the other fighter if he wants a pay day has to sign a contract to skip real PED tests and keep his mouth shut, otherwise no fight and payday, and he'll pick someone else. He also must agree to the " judges " picked.
There I said it. To beat him for now, you need to knock him out. Not an easy task. He has good defense, can counter and a good chin.
Canelo was experienced enough and had a lot of fights, went undefeated before facing mayweather. He just hasn't peaked yet and still have room for improvement. Now he is a lot better. He has learned a lot and gotten so good after that.
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