Right hand like Zab Judah
Every member on my team is a shooter,
Tight like a womb, no room for intruders.
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I Think I Could Beat Mike Tyson
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Easy way to look at it. Has Khan loomed remotely like a P4P no.1 in recent times (against Peterson, Garcia or Diaz)? There's your answer.
Khan's belief (and that of his fans) is being fed to make a payday. Pretty much like Hatton's were and Guerrero's too. Still you'll yet the same element of fools that will accuse Mayweather of being afraid of said fighter until beats them. Then que the excuses......
I would say Mayweather's total domination of Diego Corrales rivals that knockout. What you lose in status of opponent (Chico was highly rated at this time anyway), you make up for in the style, brutality and flawless exhibition of boxing on Mayweather's part.
I cannot take anything away from Marquez' victory though. It was timing and countering at it's best.
Both guys are great.
Now make another thread in the same vain, only using Oscar De La Hoya as the common opponent. No, wait, he was fit and healthy against Pacquiao and I sound bitter for mentioning it AGAIN!
Um, no he didn't... He asked for a 150 CW BEFORE Cotto fought Floyd at 154.
A better question is, why did Floyd fight Margarito and Pac's left-over?
Ummm. No, Team Pacquiao wanted Cotto at 150lbs after his loss to Mayweather. When he refused to play the patsy, they moved onto Marquez.
I won't be happy if the Maywether/Alvarez fight is atb147lbs. But it hasn't been made yet so I'll sit back and wait.
Also, for the know nothing that's trying to make Pac out to be a midget, you do realise he's been entering the ring at 145lbs plus since his second fight with Marquez.... at 130lbs. His last fight he stepped in at 152lbs. Waddaya know.....
The whole "They fought the TR guy first at 145lbs" is BS. Mosley went to the Wild Card gym after the DLH fight and asked for the same deal they agreed with Oscar. Roach blatantly and candidly said no. When pressed why in interview, his words were: "because you're not Oscar". When further pressed what that meant, Roach said: "You're too good". Throw in whatever you want, but at that point, TR were taking no risks and chose their matches accordingly. I can understand why, just as I can understand why they have said no more 154, even if it meant not fighting a guy they already destroyed.
What I don't get why some pretend it didn't happen or try to explain it away. Mayweather will doing the same thing BUT- the difference is, Mayweather said he wouldn't do it. IF things go the way we hear (remember, nothing has even been agreed) then Mayweather will guilty of doing what he said he wouldn't, nothing more, unless people can be honest and apply whatever they say about him to other fighters, Manny included.
But does that make him a welterweight? iirc, he weighed 144 for the Oscar fight.
Floyd on the other hand fought at 154 twice already, does that make him a legit JMW?
What's your point? Mayweather has fought at 154lbs one more time than Pacquiao has and hasn't come close to the limit either? Pacquiao also won a belt at 154lbs and didn't want to fight someone he already destroyed at that weight. That was ok with his fans but this isn't? For the record I agree with brjngjng Alvarez down to 147lbs at all but your analogy makes no sense.
Anyone would think that some people don't want the fight to happen, just to say "I told you Mayweather was a ducker". It's like it would vindicate them and give meaning to their lives, which is just sad.
I thought people here were supposed to be boxing fans. Surely we all want this fight to happen, so lets sit tight and hope it does. Devoting so much energy into arguing over the potential outcome of NEGOTIATIONS? Really?
You really believe those political boxing rankings? LMAO. C'mon dude. You know its all politics and business behind the magazines. Its to sell fights.
How old was mosley in 2010? F'n 40??? For a 40 year old to be #3 P4P is a dam shame in boxing! That's why ALL POLITICS baby. It was just to sell fights. Give Mosley one last payday. And he's earned it, so why not give it to the guy. :)
Where is Juan Manuel Marquez rated P4P right now? How old is he again?
Pac fought Marquez at 126 and 130 already. Marquez is also naturally bigger than a former flyweight Pac. They could fight at heavyweight but still they both will weigh in the same. Both fighters has no weight advantage over the other except the last fight of course after Marquez became a hulk.
Pac vs Marquez 2 was at 130lbs, Pacquiao entered the ring at 145lbs. I don't think Marquez was anywhere near that on that fight. Pacquiao also outweighed Morales too on fight night. Do a little homework and come back to us with an objective thread.
Mentioning Mayweather/Hatton without bringing up Pac/Bradley or the upcoming Pac/Rios is a little weak too. Hatton was a former 147lbs champ. What? He didn't look as good as he normally does at the lower weight? Funny that.
Your twisting that homie. Yes he did ask for a 20mil guarantee to fight OSCAR. And Arum didnt want to do it, it had no bearings on cotto or margo. Floyd agreed to fight margo for 8 mill if he could get 10mill for cotto or hatton. That was very very possible seeing as cotto more of a draw than margo. READ that again. he agreed but wanted 10ml for cotto or hatton: Which if im correct means he wanted the cotto fight right? I mean he asked for it right? He tried to get it in a contract right? Arum only offered floyd a bs 7 mill for cotto. your saying he arum offered floyd a career high payday for cotto? A mill less for cotto but 8 for margo? Floyd made 8 with baldo.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382
Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.
Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.
and yes they were and probably still are in a money battle floyd feels arum owes him and Arum feels the same:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596
ayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596#ixzz2UzdAuSCf
Which emphasises my point that the fights we wanted to see, not happening, came down to money. Mayweather played a part in that and so did Arum.
I don't know if you're mixing arguments or being wilfully ignorant. How many fights of this magnitutde has Alvarez had? How many PPVs has he headlined? Mayweather knows what it's like to move up weight and face the number one guy, more than once. He's had multiple championship fights against lots of different styled opponents.
I know this sounds like a Mayweather w*nk off but I'd be saying the same if it were Pacquiao instead. The gulf in experience is vast and a silly "who beats who" game just doesn't properly cover the point.
Either you're looking both fighter's experience or trying to trash one's resume under a thin veil. I think we can guess which it is.
Not really. This post shows how great one of Mayweather's fans thinks he is. If Mayweather actually beat GGG at 160 pounds, not 152 pounds, that would show how great he is. But Mayweather has not done this and he never will. In about 100 days we will see if he can beat a good young 154 pounder at a catchweight of 152. Floyd has not won that fight yet and he should not get credit for the win until he actually wins the fight.GGG and Canelo are lots bigger and better than Guerrero, Mosley and Ortiz.
You could also call out those giving GGG immediate credit for not only knocking Mayweather out but being too skillful before he's actually done it. I haven't seen much of Golovkin but I haven't heard anyone mention how incredbly skilled a boxer he is. If it's the case I stand corrected but the main factor in this is size difference as more than skill set. So you may as well add Wlad Klitschko to the list too. If Golovkin was a welterweight, would people's opinion be the same?
What's not to like about Abner Mares? He's talented and has a good boxer/puncher style that I like to watch. It's good that he's hungry to achieve as well.
What will be interesting to see is, if he's lucky to be in the sport for 15 years or more, how his outlook will be then. Same hunger? Same desire? Same objectivity about opponents? I'm not for one minute saying that he definitely change, but success (and failure) affect people in different ways. It'll interesting to see how hungry he is to punch someone 10+ years his junior in the face, especially if they're close to him or he has a damn sight more to lose. Time will tell.
No one is trying to twist anything here. Just recalling the facts as I remember them. Mayweather wanted DLH, for a long, long time. I remember him calling that fight as far back as his post fight interview against Philip Ndou. He knew that was the holy grail to the kind of money he wanted to earn. Maybe he took a lower guarantee, but he knew he'd be making better money as his own boss (like DLH). If he was going to sign with anyone and have a promoter making money from his efforts, he wanted a higher guarantee. Considering the figures the fight did, the money WAS there and Arum missed a trick.
The Marg and Cotto fights were definitely bigger than Judah and Baldomir, no doubt and Mayweather should've taken them. If Arum had better foresight, the scenery of boxing might be very different. Too bad.
no ****! why fight judah when baldomir already beat Judah. That makes no sense.
but if the fans had a choice of Marg or Cotto vs. Baldomir or Judah... the fans would've picked Marg and Cotto every time.
It's a shame Bob Arum didn't agree and pay Mayweather what he asked to re-sign and take those fights with DLH as the cherry on top. "You have to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. The money just isn't there." Those were Arum's words. Do you agree with that?
Trout would school everyone Mayweather has defeated
I hear Trout likes double cheeseburgers too. What? If it were true, what relevance does that have? Exactly.
dude don,t get butt hurt because floyd is a boring ass boxer... i never pay for a floyd fight because i already know the ending.... there,s no one in the division who can catch floyd when he,s backpedalling....
You might want mention that it's hard to beat a guy landing when lands 60% of his power shots.....while backpeddling too. How do you think it is a fighter can land sometimes twice as punches as his opponents while running away all the time? It's a conundrum alright. Boxing is an intriguing sport, don't you think?
I'm intrigued about the factors going into this fight. It should be action packed as long as it goes.
The records don't dictate PPV status, Pacquiao's ability to sell does.
No, he's right, many people said he ducked Baldomir to fight Judah, Skip Bayless was throwing sh** at Mayweather during an interview and asking him why he wasnt fighting Baldomir
LOL! Don't be surprised if this gets ignored. Giving posters with an agenda facts, is like giving a child cod liver oil. It's good for them, but because it tastes sour they throw a fit.
I've mentioned it before and I'll mention it again. If Alvarez ignores the catchweight agreement, IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME. He was supposed to fight the almighty WELTERWEIGHT Matthew Hatton at 151lbs and came in at 153lbs. Mayweather isn't the only one who has form for this kind of behaviour.
Acknowledge it and stop hoping for the fight to fall through just so you can say "I told you so". I mean, what kind of boxing fan does that?
Canelo did that against Matthew Hatton? Didn't know that. It wouldn't alter the fight anyway he would probably have to either give up some money or a rehydration clause we be re-worked into his contract.
Oh yes it did happen and most people with an agenda either wilfully ignore it or didn't do their homework.
I don't know if the motivation for this thinking is because Mayweather didn't meet his agreed weight against Marquez or because of the catchweight in itself. But hoping for something that could scupper the fight we all asked for is just plain petty and not inkeeping with being a boxing fan, in my opinion.
From what I remember at the time, the asking was 10 mil to fight Marg, and 10 mil for Cotto and whatever could be agreed for DLH. Though I don't tend to concern myself with the money side of boxing, I thought Mayweather earned closer to 20 mil against DLH with DLH making double that.
Arum didn't think the money was there for those fights (ie didn't want to pay that) and the rest is history.
alvarez's resume is clearly better than floyds. don't fall for the hype. floyd should have lost to castillo and alfonso gomez destroyed castillo, then alvarez destroyed gomez. floyd ran all night vs baldomir and canelo knocked him out. floyd almost got knocked out by mosley and canelo easily beat mosley.
Ever consider stand-up?
Yes under two conditions. Canelo makes the agreed 152lbs on weigh in day and the WBC 10% rule isn't being enforced. Other then that, both guys know what they signed so it's on them.
It's not like he's making an outrageous amount of money right now. They paid him 350k for his last two... which is probably why he's able to fight on HBO 3 times this year unlike some people who get paid millions to fight overmatched opponents.
We already know Shiming will be on there and maybe Melindo.
A possibility is Alvarado/Ruslan... but we all know Bob likes stand alone fights.
Maybe HBO will want to get GGG as much air time as possible and get him on the undercard.
If he was, do you think that'll help bolster the card?
Because right now I see Bob just putting a bunch of build-up fights on there... that's usually what his PPV cards ever are
First, up until Canelo. The only fighter that usually earn millions per fight are those that have paid their dues for a considerable amount of time AND are seriously marketable.
Petty snipe aside, I don't know if Arum would throw all his eggs in one basket like that. Maybe one or PPVs headlined by Pacquiao would give GGG good exposure. But in China? I'm not so sure. In the right place it'd be good for Golovkin.
Not the odds to be against him or ducking but lets say there are 3 fighters one has 40% chance of beating him the other 30% and the other 20% he always goes for the 20% guy >always< he never picked a guy that you thought oh sh*t that's gonna be a fight Corrales maybe? shiett i don't even remember that fight anymore. You're saying that he's so awesome that there's never been one fighter that fit that description that got side stepped? i beg to differ.
It is true there hasn't been many but over the years guys names have come up that at the time that would have made for a good fight, regardless if Mayweather was a favorite or not and all we can do is speculate now because we never actually saw those fights (with the exception of a 5 year past due Coytto fight) . And remember this is measuring in a single fight basis (not the career) is obvious Floyd's career is Rigo's times 5 right now but as a one single most defining victory Floyd never had one such as Rigondeaux just did.
Your last statement is my point. Measuring two different fighters on the basis of a single fight is a bit of a nonsense. Would you measure Ricky Hatton (with a win over Tzsyu) or Hasim Rahman (with a win over Lewis) against Mayweather too?
Rigondeaux may go on to even better things. Good luck to him if he does. But I repeat, what is the point being made exactly? Surely it isn't a debate that a great career eclipses ione massive win and one massive win doesn't ensure a great career.
Not favorite but at least not be a mismatch blowout, But you made my point We cant say because he never actually faced them is my point, he "Retired" when 147 was hot and couple guys where being talked about then he never fought, no Pacquiao when he seemed like terminator just like Donaire seemed before Rigo took on him either.
For the record i think Floyd against those fighters people talked about would have won but the point is he never even took the chance.
Sorry, I don't think I made your point because your point was basically : "when has Mayweather fought when the odds were against him?", not did he fight everyone he should have.
The odds haven't been against him for a long, long time. You can't level that at someone for being too good, or like I said, level the same on at Wlad. I'm not going to get into the great "ducking" debate as it's been done to death and back. Did you read one of my previous posts?
I basically stated the point that history is full of boxers with a massive win their careers? Some that can be judged as bigger than any in Mayweather's career. But how many have performed so consistantly well at Mayweather's level? Even if it isn't always at the level WE want, it is still pretty high. If anyone could do it, surely more would.
So again, does one massive win make a career and does the lack of one (but traded for very good ones) break a career? What exactly is the point trying to be made here?
- Cut offs? Floyd did as well. Did you mind?
- Floyd wasn't doing true OST. Did you mind?
- Floyd kept on pedaling back and taking cutoffs off the table, 50/50 off the table. Did you mind?
Then? You know that Manny accepted testing with Floyd too? yes even without them cut-offs. You should have been happy about Manny giving in but question why Floyd put new roadblocks but you didn't. WHY???
Once again you're letting your Pacquiao spit bucket instincts lead you down an oh so familiar road. This isn't about Pacquiao and who's fault a non-fight is. This is about Rigondeaux having something Mayweather does't, a massive win. That in itself is debateable. But looking deeper, I've asked what significance such a win has in comparison to a career such as his. Many fighters have had such a win but not nearly so great career. Rigondeaux is a fantastic boxer with a win over Donaire. Honeyghan had a big win over Curry. What's the relevance in comparison to Rigondeaux?