Pacquiao would KO the poorly-conditioned version of Marquez that faced Mayweather?

Exactly Manny had 2 tries to stop Marquez even before Memo came along and Manny couldn't get the job done. Marquez' resiliency is being underrated here. Based on our evidence the answer is NO JMM has never been stopped, that is a fact and it is not like he has fought a whole bunch of stiffs either. Sure he has been dropped and has got tagged but he always gets up and always seems to get hit less clean as a fight goes on while hitting the other guy more. If someone want to talk about Manny winning against that version OK sure, I would say it would follow the normal plot of their fights but at least that makes some sense. Saying a guy that has never been stopped is going to get knocked out makes no sense, especially since we have seen the movie many times.

*******, face it he got KOED, theres no senarios in the world that can change it. it happened already.

Maybe Pac should demand a clause in the contract for their next fight that states that Marquez cannot train for the fight within 30 days of the fight and must inform Pac of the days that he does train, just as he insisted on knowing the days that he would be drug tested by Mayweather and refused to take a test within 30 days of the fight. That way, Pac could easily avenge his knockout loss. LOL, that's an appropriate response, and also properly sarcastic. But, seriously, I wouldn't know what it is with these die-hard Pacquiao apologists such as the OP. Their shoulda, coulda, woulda line of self denial, makes them seem like imbeciles, or of way self-overrated intelligence, or both. It's truly a pity one has to deal with these effectively 14-year olds on forums. I end up having to hold myself from having to dislike their idol on account of them. Hmm. P34c3

Marquez stepped up two weight divisions to face Mayweather, without easing himself into the weight. At the time it was thought that because Mayweather had been out of action for a while it might be an equalizer but the truth is Mayweather showed up in close to top form while Marquez showed up in poor physical condition to face the p4p #1 fighter. The fight was also supposed to be at a catchweight but Mayweather didn't make weight. If that poorly conditioned, sluggish version of Marquez showed up to fight Manny Pacquiao in any of their fights would he have been knocked out by Pacquiao? Maybe Pac should demand a clause in the contract for their next fight that states that Marquez cannot train for the fight within 30 days of the fight and must inform Pac of the days that he does train, just as he insisted on knowing the days that he would be drug tested by Mayweather and refused to take a test within 30 days of the fight. That way, Pac could easily avenge his knockout loss.

I didn't compare who they both fought to see who is better. No matter what you post you know floyd is better. Anyone manny fights whether it be jmm, bradley, rios, alvarado etc would be seen as a cherrypick for floyd. You and other posters have actually written that rios is a dangerous fight for manny. Is there any jww or ww that you feel is dangerous for floyd? No. Right now floyd would have to fight a mw champ to be less than a 2-1 favorite. That speaks volumes. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. But the evidence is clear. If manny handled the ped thing in 09 like he did with the rios fight there would be no discussion. The only people who question whose better are diehard manny fans like yourself because you've ridden with him so long and so hard your pride won't allow you to admit it. Floyd simply works harder on his craft and it shows. Great post, thanks. P34c3

Not sure what that has to do with marquez' toughness but ok It was a response to what u said that manny wasn't able to stop Marquez even before memo came along. Well if u wanna look at it like that Marquez also had more than one opportunity to stop manny and he couldn't hell he couldn't even put manny down once until memo came along....

I didn't compare who they both fought to see who is better. No matter what you post you know floyd is better. Anyone manny fights whether it be jmm, bradley, rios, alvarado etc would be seen as a cherrypick for floyd. You and other posters have actually written that rios is a dangerous fight for manny. Is there any jww or ww that you feel is dangerous for floyd? No. Right now floyd would have to fight a mw champ to be less than a 2-1 favorite. That speaks volumes. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. But the evidence is clear. If manny handled the ped thing in 09 like he did with the rios fight there would be no discussion. The only people who question whose better are diehard manny fans like yourself because you've ridden with him so long and so hard your pride won't allow you to admit it. Floyd simply works harder on his craft and it shows. Great post. Thanks. P34c3

Exactly Manny had 2 tries to stop Marquez even before Memo came along and Manny couldn't get the job done. Marquez' resiliency is being underrated here. Based on our evidence the answer is NO And Marquez couldn't stop PAC either until memo came along...

So 4 minutes of 24/7 training footage equals his whole camp? I just love how people like to make excuses for a fighter, that the fighter themself don't even make. So you're throwing aside the training footage, the weigh-in footage, his bloated appearance in the fight, and you're proposing that Marquez was in great condition for the Mayweather fight?

Well Manny had 4 cracks to stop JMM and never got the job done, including the time when he dropped him three times in the first round and busted his nose bad so that was JMM in tip top shape at that point of that fight~ nor has anyone else for that matter. So no until proven otherwise JMM is not getting taken out by anyone.

Marquez never stopped trying in the Mayweather fight. It's actually a shame and a bit disrespectful to Marquez to act like he didn't try to get in shape for the fight. Marquez is always a pro I didn't accuse him of not trying to get into shape - just the fact that he went about it the wrong way. If you remember the 24/7 he was doing urine therapy (drinking his own urine) and eating 20 raw eggs every morning - these techniques are somewhat based on pseudoscience. Marquez didn't have a dedicated strength and conditioning trainer until very recently - but it would have helped him immensely when he was moving up two weight divisions to fight Mayweather, he'd have been in far better condition.

I'd like to take this thread seriously, but based on what I've seen from the thread starter in the past, its clearly a pathetic attempt to discredit Mayweather. Not saying that he should get a great deal of credit for that win all considered, but this is nothing more than hating spam. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Marquez = some of my favorite fighters. Didnt try to discredit anyone, just brought up a legitimate observation on the condition of Marquez for the Mayweather fight.

If manny had agreed to ped testing then maybe jmm gets caught cheating. Of course manny might have got caught too. The commission did its job. Stop flip flopping and excuse making. haven't even mentioned ped's in this thread, you're desperately trying to steer this convo another direction because you dont know how to come back marquez was fat and and lacking in functional muscle vs floyd, and he clearly was alot more prepared vs pacquiao, and only tools argue otherwise here floyd owning marquez regardless of how he well he puts on the muscle is besides the point point is, even without ped's, with proper strenght and conditioning and a scientific regime and diet > drinking piss and flinging stones

have my doubts about floyd agreeing to vada testing

I also find it funny how u pointed out that manny couldn't finish Marquez after putting him down 3 times then when I said Floyd couldn't finish Marquez either u come back and ignored that and starts rambling on about how if Floyd beats a mw I still wouldn't give him his respect. Um I never mention anything about Floyd fighting mw I'm only addressing the comment made about how Floyd is better than manny. How do u figure that, they fought already?

If manny had agreed to ped testing then maybe jmm gets caught cheating. Of course manny might have got caught too. The commission did its job. Stop flip flopping and excuse making. Hmm so ur assuming manny is cheating then?

^^^ shorten your reply bud, ur just going on about Floyd like I wanna read all that. My point is until they fight other it's just gonna be ur opinion against mines and we all know how that turns out. Just because Floyd beat this fighter and PAC couldn't doesn't mean Floyd will automatically beat PAC. We've all seen fighters beat top contender then loses to a lesser opponent and u know this too that's why it's pointless to say who is better until they fight eachother. And let's not get started with the ost because I can turn it around and say if Floyd would have just fought under the commission rules then we would has see the fight. U get the point now.

Everyone beats common opponents with Floyd better than Floyd. Cotto beat zab better. Pac beat Cotto and Hatton better and SSM better. Floyd only does well in negotiations, Floyd has more leverage, so its his way or the highway. You want a fight with Floyd give him all the advantages. Thats what hes doing now. Floyd wants Canelo at 147 and i bet Canelo cant come in over 154lbs fight night.

no need for you floyd homos to be getting your panties in a bunch, peoples opinions aren't fact afterall, btw, when marquez got up three times he was 30 and prime and both were at the same weight not 37 and fat fat, 37 year old marquez, without heredia's weight training, sht, if you thought he was getting knocked silly by pacquiao's punches when they weighed the same, being outweighed by about 9lb's of pure muscle he has a good chance of getting stopped vs pacquiao at welter If manny had agreed to ped testing then maybe jmm gets caught cheating. Of course manny might have got caught too. The commission did its job. Stop flip flopping and excuse making.

Floyd is not better than manny until they fight each other and Floyd wins. So lets keep it real. I could turn it and say the same for manny and u would feel different about it. And comparing fighters they both fought to determine who wins is stupid, also Floyd couldn't finish Marquez after taking him to school or so u guys put it. I didn't compare who they both fought to see who is better. No matter what you post you know floyd is better. Anyone manny fights whether it be jmm, bradley, rios, alvarado etc would be seen as a cherrypick for floyd. You and other posters have actually written that rios is a dangerous fight for manny. Is there any jww or ww that you feel is dangerous for floyd? No. Right now floyd would have to fight a mw champ to be less than a 2-1 favorite. That speaks volumes. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. But the evidence is clear. If manny handled the ped thing in 09 like he did with the rios fight there would be no discussion. The only people who question whose better are diehard manny fans like yourself because you've ridden with him so long and so hard your pride won't allow you to admit it. Floyd simply works harder on his craft and it shows.