Has Mayweather a more important victory than Rigo over Nonito???

Goldie, Grim...I commend the both of you. You know how to have fun wasting time with pathetic posters and their alts.

Not the odds to be against him or ducking but lets say there are 3 fighters one has 40% chance of beating him the other 30% and the other 20% he always goes for the 20% guy >always< he never picked a guy that you thought oh sh*t that's gonna be a fight Corrales maybe? shiett i don't even remember that fight anymore. You're saying that he's so awesome that there's never been one fighter that fit that description that got side stepped? i beg to differ. It is true there hasn't been many but over the years guys names have come up that at the time that would have made for a good fight, regardless if Mayweather was a favorite or not and all we can do is speculate now because we never actually saw those fights (with the exception of a 5 year past due Coytto fight) . And remember this is measuring in a single fight basis (not the career) is obvious Floyd's career is Rigo's times 5 right now but as a one single most defining victory Floyd never had one such as Rigondeaux just did. Your last statement is my point. Measuring two different fighters on the basis of a single fight is a bit of a nonsense. Would you measure Ricky Hatton (with a win over Tzsyu) or Hasim Rahman (with a win over Lewis) against Mayweather too? Rigondeaux may go on to even better things. Good luck to him if he does. But I repeat, what is the point being made exactly? Surely it isn't a debate that a great career eclipses ione massive win and one massive win doesn't ensure a great career.

Arum and Pacquiao never agreed to anything regarding testing, it was all posturing for the media. They never had any intention of making the fight. It should be obvious by now. I like how no one remembers that any time testing was put on paper to sign, Arum and Pac never signed it. Only when they said it in media.

- Cut offs? Floyd did as well. Did you mind? - Floyd wasn't doing true OST. Did you mind? - Floyd kept on pedaling back and taking cutoffs off the table, 50/50 off the table. Did you mind? Then? You know that Manny accepted testing with Floyd too? yes even without them cut-offs. You should have been happy about Manny giving in but question why Floyd put new roadblocks but you didn't. WHY???Arum and Pacquiao never agreed to anything regarding testing, it was all posturing for the media. They never had any intention of making the fight. It should be obvious by now.

- Cut offs? Floyd did as well. Did you mind? - Floyd wasn't doing true OST. Did you mind? - Floyd kept on pedaling back and taking cutoffs off the table, 50/50 off the table. Did you mind? Then? You know that Manny accepted testing with Floyd too? yes even without them cut-offs. You should have been happy about Manny giving in but question why Floyd put new roadblocks but you didn't. WHY??? Once again you're letting your Pacquiao spit bucket instincts lead you down an oh so familiar road. This isn't about Pacquiao and who's fault a non-fight is. This is about Rigondeaux having something Mayweather does't, a massive win. That in itself is debateable. But looking deeper, I've asked what significance such a win has in comparison to a career such as his. Many fighters have had such a win but not nearly so great career. Rigondeaux is a fantastic boxer with a win over Donaire. Honeyghan had a big win over Curry. What's the relevance in comparison to Rigondeaux?

but why would manny need cut offs then, but not now? - Cut offs? Floyd did as well. Did you mind? - Floyd wasn't doing true OST. Did you mind? - Floyd kept on pedaling back and taking cutoffs off the table, 50/50 off the table. Did you mind? Then? You know that Manny accepted testing with Floyd too? yes even without them cut-offs. You should have been happy about Manny giving in but question why Floyd put new roadblocks but you didn't. WHY???

Not the odds to be against him or ducking but lets say there are 3 fighters one has 40% chance of beating him the other 30% and the other 20% he always goes for the 20% guy >always< he never picked a guy that you thought oh sh*t that's gonna be a fight Corrales maybe? shiett i don't even remember that fight anymore. You're saying that he's so awesome that there's never been one fighter that fit that description that got side stepped? i beg to differ. It is true there hasn't been many but over the years guys names have come up that at the time that would have made for a good fight, regardless if Mayweather was a favorite or not and all we can do is speculate now because we never actually saw those fights (with the exception of a 5 year past due Cotto fight) . And remember this is measuring in a single fight basis (not the career) is obvious Floyd's career is Rigo's times 5 right now but as a one single most defining victory Floyd never had one such as Rigondeaux just did. Floyd was like a 3-1 underdog in Corrales. Most thought he'd lose. Rigo Donaire was 2-1? Also Corrales is vastly superior to donaire in terms of resume and skill, and before the fight no on questioned his ability to fight, nor after. He also didn't look lost or confused in the fight either, just out classed. Floyd-Corrales is a far superior win than Rigo-Donaire.... it's almost exact same on paper and in the ring Mayweather handled the fight 100x better than rigo did to donaire.

First they were criticizing Donaires comp. Then when Rigo won, they propped up Donaire as this monster Rigo beat. Then Matthysse wins, and now he's the best, and that Floyd won't fight him. Now Floyd is scared of Canelo. You're all running around with your heads cut off not knowing wtf to post, lmao! And it's the same old posters too. Rigo can't fight anyone less than Donaire. Rigo has to fight Mares, Garcia, Santa Cruz or Russell Jr from here on out or he is a coward cherry picker.

Had Floyd faced Pacquiao in 2010 right after he demolished both Hatton and Cotto, the odds would have been extremely close with neither fighter coming in as a big favorite. I think Floyd was a 3-1 favorite when everyone thought the fight would be made.

Sorry, I don't think I made your point because your point was basically : "when has Mayweather fought when the odds were against him?", not did he fight everyone he should have. The odds haven't been against him for a long, long time. You can't level that at someone for being too good, or like I said, level the same on at Wlad. I'm not going to get into the great "ducking" debate as it's been done to death and back. Did you read one of my previous posts? I basically stated the point that history is full of boxers with a massive win their careers? Some that can be judged as bigger than any in Mayweather's career. But how many have performed so consistantly well at Mayweather's level? Even if it isn't always at the level WE want, it is still pretty high. If anyone could do it, surely more would. So again, does one massive win make a career and does the lack of one (but traded for very good ones) break a career? What exactly is the point trying to be made here? Not the odds to be against him or ducking but lets say there are 3 fighters one has 40% chance of beating him the other 30% and the other 20% he always goes for the 20% guy >always< he never picked a guy that you thought oh sh*t that's gonna be a fight Corrales maybe? shiett i don't even remember that fight anymore. You're saying that he's so awesome that there's never been one fighter that fit that description that got side stepped? i beg to differ. It is true there hasn't been many but over the years guys names have come up that at the time that would have made for a good fight, regardless if Mayweather was a favorite or not and all we can do is speculate now because we never actually saw those fights (with the exception of a 5 year past due Cotto fight) . And remember this is measuring in a single fight basis (not the career) is obvious Floyd's career is Rigo's times 5 right now but as a one single most defining victory Floyd never had one such as Rigondeaux just did.

I wouldn't say Corrales was Floyd greatest win but that win is comparable to the measurability of Rigondeaux win over Donaire. The sad thing is Floyd win was not only close but also at that point in his career was even greater. Corrales was Top 5 P4P universally, knocking out everybody in two weight classes, and undefeated. Rigondeaux master class was brilliant against Donaire but he did get knocked down right on his ass in the 10th round, and didn't stop Donaire after that but he did abused him as I said he would. Donaire in my opinion was never as his hype suggested, so what Rigondeaux did to him wasn't in the least surprising. Mayweather masterclass against Corrales was absolute rape in route to a TKO, to Corrales dismay but it was the right call after being knocked down the fifth time. Also Mayweather have never been knocked down on his ass, and have better skills in the inside game and when his legs are in trouble. Donaire is dookie compared to Corrales.. This right here ^^^^

I see your point if it was only Rios getting tested. But Manny is taking tests too...so why can he take them now without any health effects but they were so scary in 2010? Again, Manny was willing to take the tests but they couldn't agree on the cutoff dates initially BUT then Manny even accepted when Floyd took his initial cutoff dates off the table. Again, during the initial negotiations, I was surprised that Manny went that far considering Floyd ACCUSED Manny of taking PEDs with no proof. Manny also stated that Floyd may be playing psychological game because Manny was worried taking the tests close to the fight. Especially after what happened just prior to the Morales fight. He felt weak. Why now? Both didn't agree initially to the terms ... BUT If you look at it all, you would realize that one fighter kept on giving in more since the initial negotiations while another kept on adding roadblocks. The reason why is that "Manny wanted it MORE than Floyd and gave in" and said "OK, I will even take the test in between rounds" ..... exaggerating of course but he wanted to make it clear to everyone that he wanted the fight and it was up to Floyd.

And prime Corrales is better than Nonito in your opinion???? Yes prime Corrales is better than Nonito. Ranked #3 p4p at time...has a better resume. Chico was the man at one point. Floyd also won that fight in much more impressive fashion than Rigo beat Doniare.

What a load of crock. So why is Manny doing testing now when it was bad for his health in 2010? Most probably because Rios/Marquez have a physical trainer that admitted to giving his athletes PEDs and admitted that he can beat any current test out there today. So possibly, Heredia can mask the PEDS so the testing will be meaningless ... but that is all they have. So I said why and I think its all valid NOT a load of crock. Those who say that Manny was avoiding testing for all those years is the real crock: From DAY 1, Manny was OK with doing extra testing but he didn't initially bend over backwards to a guy who ACCUSED him of doing PEDS with NO PROOF and may have affected Manny's reputation, which is not good, in the boxing world and/or his political one. So I'm surprised that he even went that far initially BUT as a fan of boxing, wished he accepted. Floyd fans said AFTER 2010, when Floyd took the cutoffs off the table, "All Manny has to do is accept random testing up to the day of the fight. If Floyd puts another roadblock then we will agree that its Floyd that is ducking" Well, those Floyd fans are a crock and keep on ignoring that Manny accepted Floyd's request way before Heredia got into the picture. Last point: Even with Heredia and his criminal background and the visible physical transformation of Marquez, Manny still fought him twice. That is, he didn't refuse to fight him. Floyd refused to fight Manny even after accepting the tests.

Roach knew Oscar was finished which is why he took the fight. Why are you having such a hard time with comprehending that :haha: :pat: lol .... like I said, I even stated that Roach knew that Oscar was NOT the prime Oscar that some remember .... unfortunately, when its turned around and stated that Roach said that because of how he looked against Floyd, Floyd fans get all defensive about it. AGAIN, Oscar was not the same. I knew it, Roach knew it Floyd knew it but Floyd's (some) fans can't admit to that. Floyd said BEFORE the fight with Mosley "My game plan will take into consideration that Mosley is OLD ..... but AGAIN, Floyd fans ignore even what Floyd said because it goes against protecting Floyd. If it was prime Oscar , Floyd would not be favored to win and therefore would get more credit for it. Even though it was not prime Oscar, people thought he would beat Manny very easily. Some including uncle Roger said it was a joke of a fight. So because Manny demolished Oscar (Floyd won by split decision) that is why Manny got relatively more credit but the fact was that both fought a past it Oscar.

When floyd wants to fight someone he does things like give them a 50/50 split and agree to everything they want or he pays 750k to get out of his contract to get a fight. Manny doesn't refuse ost when he thinks its a fight he can win (rios). Hell agree to ost for jmm5. But he wouldn't against floyd because he didn't want to fight. He didn't want the 50/50 deal until it was off the table 5 months later. Horriblke.n Big Gullible Dunn ... Floyd didn't want 50/50 back then and they didn't want the fight. The testing card took a life of its own so he kept that "I want all PPV money" card in his back pocket until it was time to use it 2+ years later. Once Manny agreed to Floyd's rule for testing, Floyd did as expected and put a new roadblock. Do you ever ask yourself this question, why did Floyd wait until Manny agreed to testing for that new roadblock? Why didn't he state this before then? As for testing, you got it all wrong. Manny was willing to do more than was required by the commission rules. He just didn't agree (bend over backwards) on the cutoff dates requested by Floyd who ACCUSED Manny of PEDs. Again, once Manny agreed to MORE than what was asked by Floyd, Floyd moved on to some other roadblock. Floyd didn't want the fight. His father said he shouldn't fight Manny. Team Floyd NEVER was interested. Remember this statement by Floyd even after Manny agrees to testing "How can a guy go from 106 to 147/150 and walk thru them big guys ..... it has never been done before, come on man" For many of those years Manny was either #1 or #2 in boxing. You would have to be gullible to believe that Manny deserved no PPV money. Most understood what that line meant (ie. I don't want to fight Manny) but some of the FLoyd fans took that excuse and went with it while the rest of us said, "You seriously believe Manny should get 0 PPV money?" YOU SAID "When floyd wants to fight someone he does things like give them a 50/50 split and agree to everything they want or he pays 750k to get out of his contract to get a fight." If you read what you said yourself, Floyd didn't do what you said except when the Testing roadblock was present. After, he no longer had that excuse and said no to 50/50 ...... So going by your own words FLOYD DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT!!! The offer to Manny was one that most would expect Manny to disagree. After he gives a piece of the money to Arum/Roach/Ariza .... Manny in his biggest money making fight would be close to making what he made against Marquez ....

Come on man. Roach basically spelt it out for everyone. He said oscar was done, "can't pull the trigger anymore", I believe were his words. Just like he told Mosley (pre-Mayweather beatdown) that he was "too good" to face when Mosley first asked to fight Pacquiao. Both of them have been just as opportunistic as each other. Picking fights and fighters when they have the aces. The whole interview was different than you stated. Roach was apprehensive at first but due to Oscar being more promoter less boxer and being that he was Oscar's coach, he realized that Oscar had slipped. Roach was trainer for Oscar when he fought Floyd. So as I have stated many times, I agree that Oscar was NOT the same Oscar when he fought them two, Manny and Floyd. The difference is Floyd fans can't handle the TRUTH!!! I said the same about Mosley ..... AGAIN The difference is Floyd fans can't handle the TRUTH!!! We said that Cotto was not the same Cotto in 2012 after all those wars and losses compared to 2007/2008 .... BUT Floyd said, "Cotto was undefeated" The difference is Floyd fans can't handle the TRUTH!!!

Oscar swindled Manny away from Arum though remember the bag of cash ?? ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao On December 6, 2008, Pacquiao moved up to the welterweight division in order to face the six-division world champion Oscar De La Hoya at the MGM Grand, in a fight called "The Dream Match." Presented by Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank

The funny thing is, Mayweather probably would have beaten Pacquiao fairly easily, and the same may eventually be said about the fight that may never happen between he and Canelo. Ironically, in both cases, Mayweather will be perceived as a loser for not meeting the challenge that both deserving fighters issued. Imagine Ali without Frazier and Foreman. Even worse, imagine had he ducked those fighters or waited until they were past their primes to fight them.

Imagine, you guys are saying that Floyd had to leave TR to get a fight going with Oscar BUT Manny fought Oscar ...... Floyd could have fought whoever he wanted. He just didn't want it as much as his fans are pretending that he did. When floyd wants to fight someone he does things like give them a 50/50 split and agree to everything they want or he pays 750k to get out of his contract to get a fight. Manny doesn't refuse ost when he thinks its a fight he can win (rios). Hell agree to ost for jmm5. But he wouldn't against floyd because he didn't want to fight. He didn't want the 50/50 deal until it was off the table 5 months later. Horrible.