Tyson would probably pick something terrible. However on the off chance that he's developed some musical taste during his time off maybe Shadowboxing by GZA would be appropriate as he'll need all the special technique he can muster:
'Allow me to demonstrate the skill of Shaolin
The special technique of shadowboxing'
https://vimeo.com/257272497
3: Tyson Fury is held to a lower standard than Anthony Joshua, possibly the lowest standard I have seen in a recent heavyweight champion.
This succession of title 'defences', which was incredibly defended by some members of this very forum is the lowest standard I have seen in a recent heavyweight champion:
Wilder’s Record:
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)
Not to forget:
41st Tyson Fury - artificially thrown back into rankings after 3 years single handedly supporting the Colombian economy.
42nd - Dominic Breazeale, much hyped by Haymon and Showtime on the basis of ???? Wtf knows? Other than he was in the same stable and could be relied to walk on to a right hand
43rd - A finally fit and in shape Tyson Fury. The first time Wilder defends against a prime, physically ready top 5 ranked opponent
hey wilder well fight you next if you come here and sign on with us!!!!!
otherwise were gonna avoid you!
clear and plain as day
couldnt be more obvious....both sides are scared to risk it against wilder without options on wilder
It's not about being scared of Wilder, it's about the differing goals of a low monthly subscription based platform versus a PPV platform.
For the big money to be viable, they need fighters on longer term deals, because they need both sign-ups and to retain new customers for more than the months trial period.
Wilder isn't heading to DAZN for almost any price without getting the Joshua fight. That's my point.
That doesn't seem to match with what you posted above?
That’s a good deal, if showtime/Fox match that offer then obviously they would be staying there. I don’t even think they need to match it. If they come close to it then he would probably prefer to stay there.
How on earth could they match it? Who would they have him fight for 100m or anywhere close?
Anthony Joshua....
Exactly my point. Joshua is the only reason that Wilder is worth anything approaching these sums. Showtime don't have Joshua and they don't have the money to get him and match what DAZN are reportedly offering Deontay.
No we don't know if Wilder would accept it.
And why would Joshua accept it, when he's worth more than 50%? :lol1:
How does it make sense to anyone, that the guy who brings all the cash, all the numbers and all the belts should only get 50% :lol1:
It doesn't.
If the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO announced tomorrow that they were ordering a mandatory unification with a purse bid scheduled for after the Miller and Breazeale fights, 75/25 split of the purse, we all know Joshua would accept the order and participate in the purse bid.
But what would Wilder do?
It's a better hypothetical, because in the real world there's no way on earth that the WBA, IBF and WBO would put their signatures to a document that equated one WBC title to three belts from the other alphabet bodies. Or to put it another way, WBC=50%, WBA, WBO, IBF = 16.6% each.
Somehow however, despite the clear logic, that scenario doesn't get suggested.
That's not even funny. She was very uncomfortable with that. That's someone else's wife/gf/sister/mother or whatever. No one would like that sort of sexual assault. This is why i hate the fact that boxing doesn't have one umbrella sort of thing, the book need to be thrown at him. Women need to be allowed to do their jobs without this sort of retard things, this is why all men get that look from women. That was phucked up and i hope he gets his ranking removed for it, or better yet i hope she press charges for sexual assault.
Well said Ray.
Based on what each man brings to the table 40% is an overpayment, Joshua brings three times the belts, he's the bigger draw, brings global recognition, has a better resume, is a better ambassador for the sport and although younger and less experienced has consistently challenged himself and rapidly raised the level of his opposition in half the number of fights. At least it gets the fight made though.
50% however would be bad for boxing, because other fighters would look at the years of padding on Wilder's resume and think that was the path to follow to riches. The split should reflect the level of risk taken in each fighters career and on that criteria Wilder doesn't deserve anything like 50.
Tecate is the only beer I ever threw away rather than putting to one side for when I was desperate. I literally didn't want to see it in the cupboard because I had no intention of ever drinking it. Now I don't know if there's differences in different breweries, this was some I'd bought in Baja and I didn't recall it being so bad before then but omg it was vile and I never went back to it. It's long time ago since I was in mexico but I think the negro modelo was nice, it wasn't Mexican beer in general, just tecate...
Okay. Figured someone had to show it but wasn't sure who.
Randomly I wonder if DAZN has pre-agreed on rights deals to different countries they roll out to in the future with Canelo & GBP & anyone else for that matter or if those rights just get individual discussed & decided upon or not upon DAZN entering these new countries? Cuz I do expect DAZN could be entering the UK in the future & will certainly be entering other countries in the future.
Dazn get the uk Matchroom cards on a reciprocal deal that sees he Dazn cards appearing on Sky. Obviously should Dazn turn their heads to the uk market then Eddie will have a decision to make, but for now he's just about managing to please two masters.
Matchroom has also formed several companies in various territories which look like the foundation for expansion across territories:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11606389
Dazn were already in Germany but the same process has taken place in other countries that don't have Dazn, yet...
Is it because he’s jealous and showtimes / PBCs quality is rapidly declining and less and less people are watching and DAZN is on the up?
Is it because he deep down wishes he was the one who had Joshua and would rather have Joshua than Wilder?
What makes this man so obsessed with Matchroom and putting them out of business?
There's a cold war ongoing for the future of US boxing. DAZN and by extension Matchroom USA and Eddie Hearn are disrupting the status quo that Shelley is someone who has spent his life working within.
Haymon has spent the best part of a billion dollars building a PBC business that depends on the survival of a mixture of free to air network boxing and, crucially, PPV as the ultimate destination for high value boxing. He can't afford to see US boxing fans abandon that model for a subscription based system which won't deliver the same ROI. In this context the seemingly irrational actions of Haymon or Finkel, or the boxers they advise become far easier to understand.
San Felipe? I've never heard that village, he is from El Salto
I used to drive to San Felipe in Baja. Fantastic shrimp tacos by the sea, bliss after the likes of TJ and Rosarito.
One of the most interesting aspects of DAZN's entry into the US market has been their transition from content distribution to content creation. Just as Netflix has moves towards creating its own shows, now DAZN can use their us cards to add value to other territories. It would be interesting in this regard to know if they had all of the international rights to Canelo bar Mexico?
As an aside is anyone else tired of the incessant tribalism on this forum? Whether it's PBC vs DAZN or Haymon vs Hearn or whatever, it's just not what I joined this forum for? I want to discuss boxing, including the business side of it. I don't want to see this constant bickering between people who are so invested in one faction or another?
From what I’ve read, there was a Lowball offer, turned down and that’s it. No contract, no negotiations.
I’d love to see a list of fighters who have claimed the same thing with Hearn.
Wilder
Whyte
Wilder
Fury
Ortiz
I’m sure I’m missing some...
Looking forward to AJ vs Trevor Bryan though. The UK Hearniac casual crowd can talk about how AJ beat an American heavyweight champion.
Turn down a chance to win the unified heavyweight championship of the world and your image may suffer. You may get criticism for not stepping up, not showing ambition.
Turn down a chance to win the unified heavyweight championship of the world and blame a lowball offer and the scrutiny moves elsewhere.
PR 101.
Finkel has made it clear. I dnt understand what the argument here is all about.
But to be honest, if am AJ, whenever wilder think he is ready, I will personally delay the fight for another 12/18months.
Hearn should simply wait until they make an approach and then say "He's fighting his mandatory now, then we have a pretty full slate for this year, then we will discuss fighting Wilder next year."
Nothing wrong with that after all is there?
Given the announcement today of DAZN's rates doubling this thread didn't age particularly well.
https://www.boxingscene.com/dazn-reveals-9999-yearly-plan-monthly-increase-1999--137287
The principle still holds and I suppose the other option would to say:
$180 for AJ vs Wilder 1 and 2
versus
$99 for AJ vs Wilder 1 and 2, plus Canelo Jacobs, GGG v Andrade etc etc.
but really, the point works well enough at 20 v 90 also.
Can't they just sign up for the free month?
Yes, but I thought including that may make the poll needlessly complex.
The free month is a one time deal only but you can cancel and resubscribe on a month by month basis so given that there's 2 fights I guess the real choice is:
Showtime $180
DAZN $10 ($20 if you've previously used your free month)
But the poll is done now!
nobody said that fcukboy
I said..... when Hearn slipped up and admitted that Wilder was worth 35% to Joshua..... he also admitted that the 12m and 15m offers, were lowballs
and I said that because..... it is clearly obvious
stay dumb
Hearn was quite specific in saying that Wilder's fight with Fury had raised his profile which in turn would be reflected in the offer he made to him.
He separately said that AJ was willing to have the first fight in the US which again changed the amount the fight would generate and in turn impacted on what they could offer Wilder.
He didn't say the previous offers were lowballs and of course if Wilder really did accept that 15m offer, or at least claim to, then he must've felt it was a fair offer too at the time.
It doesn't "depend". Now if he had wanted to, he would have gotten about $100m for those same two fights. So yeah, $35m was peanuts and a totally unreasonable BS offer no matter how much someone wants to spin it.
One thing hasn't changed - Wilder is still betting on himself. He could have taken the certain money but he's continually doubled down on his ability to bank more later. His pile of chips has steadily increased. Was this the right time to push them to the middle? Perhaps, but it's pretty obvious that he doesn't think so.
I don't think you've understood my point? If you think he wins the fight there's an opportunity cost in lost earnings for every day that he delays.
In any case, because an offer is higher now it doesn't mean the offer then was not a fair one. Situations change.
Finally, and as above, his chips only increase when he cashes them in. In theory he could keep on refusing ascending offers right up until he retires.
You're talking to someone with an economics degree. I didn't say DAZN didn't have an impact. DAZN is just cutting through the BS of the terrible offers and publicly establishing a realistic assessment of the worth.
But the money has always been there for big fights and that's seen time and time again. Wilder's value didn't suddenly jump $25M because DAZN offered it to him. It's just that the offers before from Hearn have consistently been lowballs. They offered AJ $50 and it was a nonstarter - not even worth presenting the deal - because no fighter worth his salt like AJ is going to cap his earnings potential on such a huge fight. Undefeated heavyweight champs with great KO records don't fight every day. The public drools over those kinds of fights and they're always at a premium.
The whole point is that the ducking claims on BOTH sides are entirely horsecrap. They're continuing to build the gate and each side is seeing who blinks first. Eventually that pot of gold will get so large that it won't matter as long as they keep knocking out their opponents.
Wilder has to blink first because at his age his time frame is much shorter. He needs to fight AJ in the next couple of years before he slips to have any chance at the main bout and the inevitable rematch. This fight happens either in November or in 2020 and both guys will make huge bank.
So I didn't mean to patronise with that last post. I still don't understand how you can't recognise the disruptive effect DAZN's entry has had in the US market because the impact has been obvious way beyond this fight? You think that Canelo deal hasn't changed the landscape?
You say that the DAZN offer is a realistic assessment of his worth but you must be aware that new entrants to mature markets are going to pay more than the going rate and thus drive that rate upwards? Just how much do you think Wilder has been earning for his fights with Ortiz, Stiverne etc. You think $20m for Wilder v Breazeale was always the true market rate? You think he's getting that rate now? Exactly how are they going to recoup that in their broadcasting model if they don't even think it merits PPV status?
Finally, you've repeatedly compared the offers made by Hearn for a fight in the UK to these latest offers for a fight in the US and yet you've never acknowledged the very different market conditions that apply in the two territories. Without significant US broadcast revenues due to the time difference, there's a hard ceiling on those fights and given that they were already close to maxing that market the offers Hearn made were entirely consistent with that ceiling and what the two fighters brought to the table in commercial drawing power and titles etc. At that time the estimates for the fight in the US were comparable.
It looks like Hearn has given up trying to get Wilder to the UK, so of course the offers have changed, but your immediate assumption that it's due to an undervaluing of Wilder's drawing power doesn't take account of a far more fundamental change in the conditions. Namely a change in location and the heating up of the US market in the meantime.
yup...ok
Thank you :)
so when wilder didnt show up the next time why did eddie run his mouth and taunt wilder "where are you wilder were here"...even though there was no deal in place then either?
i understand why eddie said THEY DID THAT the first time...it doesnt mean it has to be/should be done that way...i believe a guy should be allowed to confront whenever or wherever......it still makes a good spectacle
hearn wasnt being true to his previous statement....wilder was banned cause eddie said there was no deal...then know again there was no deal he taunted wilder...most likely because he knw his side was bearing the brunt of the "duck" talk at the time and he was trying to reverse course
So you need to review your memory of the time. Wilder wasn't banned from the event, he was booked to commentate for Sky tv and they had his hotels, cars etc all sorted. He made the unilateral decision not to come because he wasnt guaranteed to be in the ring afterwards. He missed the chance to talk directly to the UK ppv audience who may buy the fight in the future, to build awareness of him etc etc.
Wilder was never banned from the event, he was told he couldn't come in the ring without AJ's say so and if there was no fight to promote there was no point him being in the ring.
Again, if the fight was agreed then all parties would have an interest in him being in the ring. Until that point however AJ and Hearn would be damaging their own negotiating position by allowing Wilder in there.
It's that simple.
"We don't understand the definition of patience, waiting. We want things done right now, when we want it we want it now."
"In boxing, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way."
"Certain things take time. Especially, the best fights takes time to marinate, it takes time to developing."
"The contract and negotiations must be right." - this one is pure brilliance :lol1:
This is the reason why boxing is losing out to MMA in the US. Wilder's career is like the blueprint for cynical manipulation of American boxing fans, from the padded, risk averse and cherry pick littered resume to the boasting of marination all with a view of milking every last cent from the fanbase.
One minute Wilder's talking about how desperate he is to unify and how one man one name is what he's all about, the next minute he's all about marination. The astonishing thing is how many suckers will rush to defend him and his team for it.
The worrying thing is upcoming prospects will look at this think "why should I take risky fights? If I sit on my 0 long enough, someone will throw me $100 million eventually".
Sad times.
Yes indeed.
Sadly this approach is likely going to pay off and may as you say adversely affect the career choices of future boxers, at least inasmuch as the fans interests are concerned. The obsession with the undefeated status is a major blockage to the fights we want to see.
It may be that Wilder just isn't good enough to have taken any more risks than he did but if you want to know the reason why AJ made it so big so quickly in the UK it's because Hearn was prepared to take more calculated risks in the matchmaking than Team Wilder has ever dared. He's reaping the rewards now of course.