DAZN wants protection

There might not even be 147 narrative anymore. As time keeps passing, Crawford, Spence, Swift, Porter might have all scattered to some fights at 154. If they like the weight, we might not ever them at 147 again, and these fighters age. This is why DAZN and other weights are more appealing. Basically Top Rank and PBC made the 147 narrative a bore fest i must be missing your point so what if the guys move to 154...what changes if they go up a weight class but everything else stays the same? other than the weight.... if porter goes to 154 and spence does...and hurd stays there(somehow lol)...but they are still with the pbc what exactly changes other than offical weights? if hurd goes up he may want to consider moving on since 160 isnt pbc wheelhouse but the rest of the guys going up could reasonably stay where they are and youd still have the same problem at 154 that you did at 147 and forget spence fighting golovkin...theres no need....theyd be better off fighting thurman and crawford

i fully understand risk and risk management...and i get what DAZN is trying to do...im not dumb...i get it but its no different than went people complain about the pbc and how they wont give one of their WW's away to crawford..like when bob tried to get danny to use for crawford.....why would al take danny over their to get beat by crawford when he can have danny get beat by one of his own guys? those same guys complaining about that are championing wilder selling his soul to DAZN and DAZN trying to only make a fight if they have the rights to both guys this fight could be made with both sides in their current position....its not that hard...but both sides have to be willing to take on the risk...DAZN appears to be unwilling unless that can nullify any risk i get it....its just people complain about al not letting his guys go on other networks or against other fighters....those same guys are the ones that will call wilder a coward if he doesnt sign with DAZN....he doesnt need to in order to reasonably get this fight done if hearn and DAZN were being reasonable and wanting to make the fight Ah... well. If you're talking about other people's hypocrisy then sure... there's more than enough of that to go around on here on all sides. :lol1:

Businesses wanting to maximise profit regardless of the outcome of something as unpredictable as a boxing match is not being scared it's being a good business. It's ridiculous enough when people talk about fighters being scared, but when you try and anthropomorphize an entity like a business whose sole aim is to maximise profits using a term like 'scared' is beyond ridiculous. Are people who buy home insurance scared too? It brings to mind when I discuss Haymon having poached Stevenson and Chavez Jr largely to hurt HBO and folk get all up in arms viewing it as some kind of attack, when I'm actually praising him for being a savvy business practitioner... which is, after all, the proper grounds on which a business or businessman should be judged. i fully understand risk and risk management...and i get what DAZN is trying to do...im not dumb...i get it but its no different than went people complain about the pbc and how they wont give one of their WW's away to crawford..like when bob tried to get danny to use for crawford.....why would al take danny over their to get beat by crawford when he can have danny get beat by one of his own guys? those same guys complaining about that are championing wilder selling his soul to DAZN and DAZN trying to only make a fight if they have the rights to both guys this fight could be made with both sides in their current position....its not that hard...but both sides have to be willing to take on the risk...DAZN appears to be unwilling unless that can nullify any risk i get it....its just people complain about al not letting his guys go on other networks or against other fighters....those same guys are the ones that will call wilder a coward if he doesnt sign with DAZN....he doesnt need to in order to reasonably get this fight done if hearn and DAZN were being reasonable and wanting to make the fight

its is about being scared...100 percent...its a risk to fight wilder without having future options on wilder should he win....if they fight wilder without having options on him and he wins then the money they invested in AJ and that fight itself are wasted they dont wanna carry risk in an AJ/wilder fight...they want both guys under their control so they are guaranteed to have rights on the winner wilders side has been willing to carry that risk....DAZN wont.....ESPN doesnt want to either...ESPN wants wilder with them too so if he beats fury they can take either guy to AJ and get a big piece of that fight both ESPN and DAZN are shook knowing if wilder beats either of their men, without them having an option on wilder, their investments are caput Businesses wanting to maximise profit regardless of the outcome of something as unpredictable as a boxing match is not being scared it's being a good business. It's ridiculous enough when people talk about fighters being scared, but when you try and anthropomorphize an entity like a business whose sole aim is to maximise profits using a term like 'scared' is beyond ridiculous. Are people who buy home insurance scared too? It brings to mind when I discuss Haymon having poached Stevenson and Chavez Jr largely to hurt HBO and folk get all up in arms viewing it as some kind of attack, when I'm actually praising him for being a savvy business practitioner... which is, after all, the proper grounds on which a business or businessman should be judged.

Curt is cool, but he is part of PBC Shillery. The reason why DAZN gets hated on is because of Hearn and GBP association. The PBC shillery groups on YouTube have been attacking Hearn like nerds and also complaining about Oscar. The “racist emails” or the “transatlantic deal” said by Hearn has always get them defensive. Aside from all that dorky shet. The fact is that Espinoza is cheap. Espinoza is the reason why Wilder is going to DAZN. Not because of Hearn, simply just because DAZN has the funding to do so. Now all these PBC shill channels are acknowledging DAZN’s power and retracting their original opinions. Thats true he is, ive read many a great post from him on here but you are also right he is a PBC shill and right now they are reminding me of dying hornets in Autumn, they are on their last legs, everything they said previous is coming back to bite them hard and they are stinging anything they can hit like crazy. I feel for them i really do. They will be ok in the end, this is the start of the fight we all want getting made it will get to the point where they will realize we are all winners here.

Of course DAZN wants protection. They are putting up the money. Business 101. why cant both sides make a good/fair deal from their own current positions? they can....its just eddie/DAZN dont want to....they dont want to risk losing wilders side has been willing...they are confident....a deal can be done from both current positions...one that is fair and works for everyone DAZN doesnt wanna waste the 50 mil theyve invested in the miller and povetkin fights without having guaranteed options on the winner its obvious who is worried and who isnt....its really easy to see and very simple....wilder would be just fine with things the way they are and getting the fight done...DAZN isnt interested without having a piece of wilder though DAZN has put themselves in a postion where any time they put one of their star pets in the ring they have to have options on the other guy in case he knocks their pet out and they cant lose its the same thing people complain about with the pbc "they wont let their guys fight other guys" blah blah

Curt is cool, but he is part of PBC Shillery. The reason why DAZN gets hated on is because of Hearn and GBP association. The PBC shillery groups on YouTube have been attacking Hearn like nerds and also complaining about Oscar. The “racist emails” or the “transatlantic deal” said by Hearn has always get them defensive. Aside from all that dorky shet. The fact is that Espinoza is cheap. Espinoza is the reason why Wilder is going to DAZN. Not because of Hearn, simply just because DAZN has the funding to do so. Now all these PBC shill channels are acknowledging DAZN’s power and retracting their original opinions. i dont watch youtoube boxing channels and im actually a white male from a new england suburb.....i dont smoke crack and im not poor....contrary to the pbc stereotype i just see things for what they are espinoza is NOT CHEAP....wilder gets fair US market value...hes one of the highest paid US fighters....its the US market that doesnt command big money...and the UK market is out of whack where they can pay because those guys buy anything ill repeat...wilder is paid fair US market value...hes one of the highest paid US fighters DAZN is only offering more because if they get wilder they have 100 percent control of the wilder/AJ fight and guaranteed options on the winner....if they didnt have that they wouldnt be offering wilder more money than what showtime is.....thats the catch "heres more than showtime will give you but now youre with us and we have 100 percent control and we have rights on the winner...we cant lose now" they dont want to take on risk..willing to give wilder more up front to wipe out any risk and have 100 percent control of the fight they can both get this fight done from their own side...wilders side and hearns side...it can be done....its just that eddie is tied to DAZN and they dont wanna take the risk on now that that AJ loses and their investment in him is a waste

Of course DAZN wants protection. They are putting up the money. Business 101.

if wilder finds it all acceptable than im all for it.....but its not done yet and i already know how you and the rest of the dumb UK monkeys are going to react if he says no.....youre already going to call it a duck the fight does more money if its in the US....if wilder signs on it will surely be in the UK....even though it makes most sense for vegas... i hope the fight gets made ASAP...but DAZN will only come ready if they have to carry 0 risk.... wilders side has been willing to carry risk the whole time but hearn and DAZN are shook of their investment in AJ going caput if they get ko'd.....and it certainly didnt do it any favors when they saw fury almost get murdered in the 12 round when he thought he was gonna cruise if wilder finds the deal good for him and takes it im all for him....but be prepared for him to turn it down....NOT because he doesnt want to fight...but because hes not going to sell his soul to DAZN and anything tied to hearn.... both sides can work together to make this deal from their own sides...it shouldnt be hard...but DAZN doesnt want RISK...they want guarantees they have the winner or else they risk losking alot in their AJ investment Well 1st of all its a 2 fight deal, 1 in the UK and 1 in the US. Is that not fair to all involved? Or do you just want 2 fights in America like they tried to do with Fury, **** fair to all involved the PBC side should get everything they want? 2nd, if its on DAZN it doesnt make more or less its not going to be PPV. Both fighters will be offered a set amount of money for the 2 fights and i have a feeling DAZN will offer each fighter an equal amount of money.

What the **** man? Thats racist. I still dont know why you care? Wilder isnt contracted to Showtime. DAZN is offering him 3 fights, 1st is the fight he is already planning to have and the next 2 are Joshua and Wilder has demanded 2 fights against Joshua. After that he can do as he pleases, im sure DAZN will offer him another deal if he wins but he dont have to take it he can take him and all his belts back to Showtime. And he will be paid more for all 3 fights than Haymon is willing to pay him. Oh yeah and you yourself as a fan will get all 3 fight a hell of alot cheaper than you would if Showtime was showing them. I really dont see what you are crying about. Infact i dont see what ANYBODY other than Espinoza is crying about. Im not even sure you know what you are crying about. I think you are a bit lost, you want to go on the attack of Joshua, Hearn, DAZN but everything is just too acceptable for you to find an opening, so you are just talking **** cuz you dont know what to do or say. if wilder finds it all acceptable than im all for it.....but its not done yet and i already know how you and the rest of the dumb UK monkeys are going to react if he says no.....youre already going to call it a duck the fight does more money if its in the US....if wilder signs on it will surely be in the UK....even though it makes most sense for vegas... i hope the fight gets made ASAP...but DAZN will only come ready if they have to carry 0 risk.... wilders side has been willing to carry risk the whole time but hearn and DAZN are shook of their investment in AJ going caput if they get ko'd.....and it certainly didnt do it any favors when they saw fury almost get murdered in the 12 round when he thought he was gonna cruise if wilder finds the deal good for him and takes it im all for him....but be prepared for him to turn it down....NOT because he doesnt want to fight...but because hes not going to sell his soul to DAZN and anything tied to hearn.... both sides can work together to make this deal from their own sides...it shouldnt be hard...but DAZN doesnt want RISK...they want guarantees they have the winner or else they risk losking alot in their AJ investment

the only light that needs to be shed is the one im shedding DAZN and ESPN dont want to fight wilder without having an option on wilder SO THEY CANT LOSE! wilder has been willing to make those fights...showtime has been willing to make those fights without having options on fury or AJ!!! showtime and haymon get wilder as much as any other american fighter....wilder is paid fair market value hearn and espn are only offering him more money if he comes and works for them! that way they know they have the guaranteed winner of their fights! without it they wont give him that money!!! wilder isnt worth that money to them without having the future option on him should he win! both networks scared to carry risk and fight wilder without having a piece of wilder! wilder gets fair US market value where hes at.....guys are willing to overpay him now if they lock him in and have 100 percent of his fights against AJ and fury! without that they wont overpay him either! you dumb monkey! What the **** man? Thats racist. I still dont know why you care? Wilder isnt contracted to Showtime. DAZN is offering him 3 fights, 1st is the fight he is already planning to have and the next 2 are Joshua and Wilder has demanded 2 fights against Joshua. After that he can do as he pleases, im sure DAZN will offer him another deal if he wins but he dont have to take it he can take him and all his belts back to Showtime. And he will be paid more for all 3 fights than Haymon is willing to pay him. Oh yeah and you yourself as a fan will get all 3 fight a hell of alot cheaper than you would if Showtime was showing them. I really dont see what you are crying about. Infact i dont see what ANYBODY other than Espinoza is crying about. Im not even sure you know what you are crying about. I think you are a bit lost, you want to go on the attack of Joshua, Hearn, DAZN but everything is just too acceptable for you to find an opening, so you are just talking **** cuz you dont know what to do or say.

So your concern is about Wilder breaking his ties with PBC and Showtime, not about the sport in general. I see. You want him to fight the Arreolas, Stivernes, Breazeale's, Washingtons... Network fanboy. wishful thinking on your part...and a diversion attempt i want the fight...ive wanted the fight for over a year now lol it shouldnt be hard to hammer out a deal for both sides...but hearn has been dancing so much that lennox, fury, parker, froch and khan have all stated hes avoiding the fight....so much that hearns own daddy advised everyone to wait it out for a couple of years its obvious DAZN only wants the fight now if they have both fighters under control so they CANT LOSE..otherwise they are ok with hearn running his song and dance and prolonging it....but if they can get wilder they are ok with since they are guaranteed to have the winnner IT CLEARLY SHOWS Dazn doesnt want to carry risk...wilders side has been willing to carry risk since the get go if wilder beats AJ without DAZN having the option on wilder their investment in AJ does not look/sit well yall didnt want AJ to sell his soul for 50 million...but not are actively rooting for wilder to sell his over 10 mil or 5 mil or whatever the difference would be between showtimes offer for his next fight and dazns offer for his next fight

So your concern is about Wilder breaking his ties with PBC and Showtime, not about the sport in general. I see. You want him to fight the Arreolas, Stivernes, Breazeale's, Washingtons... Network fanboy.

LOL Will you just hurry up and realize this ship is on fire, it is going to sink its time to jump off like all the other Wilder fanboy rats have already started doing. Its not Eddie Hearn, DAZN, Bob Arum or Frank Warrens fault that Haymon and Finkel and Espinoza wont pay him anywhere as much as they will. As soon as a fighter has to go behind the back of his own management and advisors to go speak to "THE ENEMY" as youve been known to call them i think the game is up as to who is not doing what and who is not doing their jobs properly. Wilder sneaking to DAZN without Haymon or Finkel knowing says EVERYTHING. You know this Curt and this is why you are flapping with piss poor hate threads like this one. SIT DOWN and enjoy Wilder seeing the light. The fight we all want will be signed soon now that Wilder is talking to big boys. Man. What a stunning turnaround from those folks as more and more info came out...

It's not about being scared of Wilder, it's about the differing goals of a low monthly subscription based platform versus a PPV platform. For the big money to be viable, they need fighters on longer term deals, because they need both sign-ups and to retain new customers for more than the months trial period. its is about being scared...100 percent...its a risk to fight wilder without having future options on wilder should he win....if they fight wilder without having options on him and he wins then the money they invested in AJ and that fight itself are wasted they dont wanna carry risk in an AJ/wilder fight...they want both guys under their control so they are guaranteed to have rights on the winner wilders side has been willing to carry that risk....DAZN wont.....ESPN doesnt want to either...ESPN wants wilder with them too so if he beats fury they can take either guy to AJ and get a big piece of that fight both ESPN and DAZN are shook knowing if wilder beats either of their men, without them having an option on wilder, their investments are caput

LOL Will you just hurry up and realize this ship is on fire, it is going to sink its time to jump off like all the other Wilder fanboy rats have already started doing. Its not Eddie Hearn, DAZN, Bob Arum or Frank Warrens fault that Haymon and Finkel and Espinoza wont pay him anywhere as much as they will. As soon as a fighter has to go behind the back of his own management and advisors to go speak to "THE ENEMY" as youve been known to call them i think the game is up as to who is not doing what and who is not doing their jobs properly. Wilder sneaking to DAZN without Haymon or Finkel knowing says EVERYTHING. You know this Curt and this is why you are flapping with piss poor hate threads like this one. SIT DOWN and enjoy Wilder seeing the light. The fight we all want will be signed soon now that Wilder is talking to big boys. the only light that needs to be shed is the one im shedding DAZN and ESPN dont want to fight wilder without having an option on wilder SO THEY CANT LOSE! wilder has been willing to make those fights...showtime has been willing to make those fights without having options on fury or AJ!!! showtime and haymon get wilder as much as any other american fighter....wilder is paid fair market value hearn and espn are only offering him more money if he comes and works for them! that way they know they have the guaranteed winner of their fights! without it they wont give him that money!!! wilder isnt worth that money to them without having the future option on him should he win! both networks scared to carry risk and fight wilder without having a piece of wilder! wilder gets fair US market value where hes at.....guys are willing to overpay him now if they lock him in and have 100 percent of his fights against AJ and fury! without that they wont overpay him either! you dumb monkey!

hey wilder well fight you next if you come here and sign on with us!!!!! otherwise were gonna avoid you! clear and plain as day couldnt be more obvious....both sides are scared to risk it against wilder without options on wilder It's not about being scared of Wilder, it's about the differing goals of a low monthly subscription based platform versus a PPV platform. For the big money to be viable, they need fighters on longer term deals, because they need both sign-ups and to retain new customers for more than the months trial period.

hey wilder well fight you next if you come here and sign on with us!!!!! otherwise were gonna avoid you! clear and plain as day couldnt be more obvious....both sides are scared to risk it against wilder without options on wilder LOL Will you just hurry up and realize this ship is on fire, it is going to sink its time to jump off like all the other Wilder fanboy rats have already started doing. Its not Eddie Hearn, DAZN, Bob Arum or Frank Warrens fault that Haymon and Finkel and Espinoza wont pay him anywhere as much as they will. As soon as a fighter has to go behind the back of his own management and advisors to go speak to "THE ENEMY" as youve been known to call them i think the game is up as to who is not doing what and who is not doing their jobs properly. Wilder sneaking to DAZN without Haymon or Finkel knowing says EVERYTHING. You know this Curt and this is why you are flapping with piss poor hate threads like this one. SIT DOWN and enjoy Wilder seeing the light. The fight we all want will be signed soon now that Wilder is talking to big boys.

hey wilder well fight you next if you come here and sign on with us!!!!! otherwise were gonna avoid you! clear and plain as day couldnt be more obvious....both sides are scared to risk it against wilder without options on wilder

Scared to death yet it’s them all Who keep throng to corner wilder to fight You wilder fans are pathetic Nice change of tune on dazn