Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

Espinoza just confirmed that Wilder makes similar money in his current contract dude, do you lie awake at night worrying that Wilder is not making enough money? ..... or are you just making silly excuses to justify why AJ dropped his balls? :D FACT: those liars/idiots had Wilder on the hook for 15m, and they FAILED to sign the fight loooool 15m :lol1: Wilder is now being offered 40m+..... but Team Bullshlt could not close the deal when they had him on the hook for 15m seriously, that is the biggest non-Golovkin duck in the last 10 years LMAO I bet you also sat there making DUMB excuses for Golovkin, just like you are doing for Joshua :lol1::lol1:

Don't you know how to read? Here is what I asked. Read it carefully. Espinoza just confirmed that Wilder makes similar money in his current contract dude, do you lie awake at night worrying that Wilder is not making enough money? :lol1::lol1:..... or are you just making silly excuses to justify why AJ dropped his balls? :D FACT: those liars/idiots had Wilder on the hook for 15m, and they FAILED to sign the fight loooool 15m :lol1: Wilder is now being offered 40m+..... but Team Bullshlt could not close the deal when they had him on the hook for 15m seriously, that is the biggest non-Golovkin duck in the last 10 years LMAO I bet you also sat there making DUMB excuses for Golovkin, just like you are doing for Joshua

and yet, he will get at least 50% with Fury and at least 40% with AJ so yea..... bollocks !! Don't you know how to read? Here is what I asked. Read it carefully. So how much Wilder is worth now without associating AJ and Fury?

Wilder is worth $1 mil again fighting Breazeale. Would you want me to repeat my question? Wilder is a nobody without Fury and AJ. and yet, he will get at least 50% with Fury and at least 40% with AJ so yea..... bollocks !!

12m no, wait..... 15m, that was it aah shlt, no that's right..... 40m, was the last word or is it 50m now..... ? :thinking: no idea :lol1: he could conceivably make 100m+ from 2x Joshua fights SHOULD he win the first, that is is that what you were asking..... ? Wilder is worth $1 mil again fighting Breazeale. Would you want me to repeat my question? Wilder is a nobody without Fury and AJ.

Would you rather work once or work three times for the same pay as working once? So if they fought 2 more times they'd make nothing? I think they'd make more fighting each other 3 times from 2010-2013 and retiring than what they ended up doing from 09 to now. Excluding that McGregor fight.

We could have had a May-Pac trilogy and they probably would have made the same amount Would you rather work once or work three times for the same pay as working once?

Wilder isn't serious. He's 34 in a few months and his window of when he "maybe" had a chance vs AJ is gone He will step into the ring vs AJ at 36 years old and get blasted, oh but he'll get paid. AJ is his end of career retirement fund, nothing more. That's what it's looking like. The parallels of managing Floyd and Wilder are hard to ignore. Conventional wisdom would say why not show some rapidity to take out your main rival and build on the momentum to bigger and better things. But Wilders camp are thinking small just like Floyd was. We could have had a May-Pac trilogy and they probably would have made the same amount (or exponentially more) as they did picking off lesser contenders for years, to finally fight once, when the interest had been gone for years. ESPN, entertainment biz or the sports world at large generally is giving boxing a huge window to rebound and do something great. We're in a lull right now where everyone is tired of the NFLs bullsht with grown men on their knees like btches. International boxing is as interesting as it gets especially with social media now a days. Wilder and AJ should be being groomed to make a big spectacle for the mainstream sport world. But it's Wilder and his camp who just seem completely incompetent to get a deal made.

So how much Wilder is worth now without associating AJ and Fury? 12m no, wait..... 15m, that was it aah shlt, no that's right..... 40m, was the last word or is it 50m now..... ? :thinking: no idea :lol1: he could conceivably make 100m+ from 2x Joshua fights SHOULD he win the first, that is is that what you were asking..... ?

So how much Wilder is worth now without associating AJ and Fury?

Well it’s doubtful it was worth that much at the time You could be right, we'll really never know for sure. But when Hearn was saying the fight was worth 40 in the UK and 50 in Vegas and Wilder's side was saying no, the fight is worth 100 in Vegas. We all saw Joshua's reaction. If it's really worth 100 in Vegas, give me 50 and I'll sign tomorrow. They put their money where their mouth was. If they were wrong about it being worth 100, then they're the ones out on their ass, not Joshua.

First point is totally valid, second point is a smoke screen. Showtime released the portion of the contract dealing with UK rights and it stated the fight would be on Sky. During negotiations Finkel repeatedly said public the fight could be on Sky as long as they made a fair offer. This was never about forcing AJ to fight on BT. Showtime wanted the US rights. There was no issue with Sky having the UK rights. Since when does a US network try to get a huge British star to come over for a big fight, but then refused to let the British star's network show the fight? That was all excuses by Hearn after the fact to save face after turning down the fight. Now, out of principle, I could totally understand the A-side saying, I will never be brought in as the opponent, not at any price. AJ's **** up was believing Hearn that the fight wasn't worth 100 in the US. His whole thing asking for 50 was, I don't believe it's worth 100 in the US, if it's really worth 100, give me 50 and I'll sign tomorrow. He never, for one second, expected them to give him 50, because Hearn was telling him the fight was only worth 50 in the US and giving him 50 would mean a 100/0 split. Well it’s doubtful it was worth that much at the time, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they did accept. It was probably the best case scenario for wilder’s side in the court of public opinion...they called a bluff and didn’t get called on what might have been one by them. It looks like everyone is hoping for hw boxing to make a resurgence in the American market at this point...there isn’t much reason to keep holding out otherwise.

Well there were other things to consider when it came to that offer, like the fact that Joshua would basically be giving up full control to wilders team and how his existing partnership with sky would be dealt with. First point is totally valid, second point is a smoke screen. Showtime released the portion of the contract dealing with UK rights and it stated the fight would be on Sky. During negotiations Finkel repeatedly said public the fight could be on Sky as long as they made a fair offer. This was never about forcing AJ to fight on BT. Showtime wanted the US rights. There was no issue with Sky having the UK rights. Since when does a US network try to get a huge British star to come over for a big fight, but then refused to let the British star's network show the fight? That was all excuses by Hearn after the fact to save face after turning down the fight. Now, out of principle, I could totally understand the A-side saying, I will never be brought in as the opponent, not at any price. AJ's **** up was believing Hearn that the fight wasn't worth 100 in the US. His whole thing asking for 50 was, I don't believe it's worth 100 in the US, if it's really worth 100, give me 50 and I'll sign tomorrow. He never, for one second, expected them to give him 50, because Hearn was telling him the fight was only worth 50 in the US and giving him 50 would mean a 100/0 split.

The initial email from Deontay included all of the major details that would typically be included in a boxing term sheet. Subsequently, Hearn negotiated for weeks with Haymon. According to Hearn, he had a lot of questions and Haymon answered all of his questions. According to Hearn, most of the answers were what he was looking for, a couple answers needed to be clarified, but none of the answers were deal breakers. In the same interview where Hearn said that, he also said that it was looking like Joshua wanted the fight in the UK and would be passing on the US offer. But he made it clear the offer was legit and both sides had been going back and forth. Almost all of Haymon's guys are free agents. By design. With no interest in signing mutifight deals with anyone. Haymon's entire business model is to do everything fight by fight. So you can understand why a four fight deal for one of Haymon's top stars might be a deal breaker. Once the fighter gets used to controlling their own destiny, they never want to go back to being stuck under someone's thumb. Which is why DAZN has been rejected by pretty much all of Haymon's stars, even though they are "free agents." Well there were other things to consider when it came to that offer, like the fact that Joshua would basically be giving up full control to wilders team and how his existing partnership with sky would be dealt with. I mean, you’re saying wilder was right to reject the dazn offer because he would basically be giving dazn too much control. I get there’s a difference between one fight and a 3 fight deal, but aj wasn’t really in the position to have anything dictated to him. I don’t really care about anyone calling that a “duck”, but it was really a business decision and probably the correct one. The same could be said for wilder in this case, but he’s taking more of a risk here imo.

- -Deyonce been picking peanuts in the Alabama fields compared to the kings ransom AJ makes. Put down the crackpipe.

you fcukboys are unbelievable and you appear to be the SAME fcukboys who sucked off Golovkin another OBVIOUS bullshlt artist grow up and find some pride from somewhere, you losers

the AJ fans have taken multiple L's in the "duck game" so far...so much that lennox, froch, parker, fury and khan all admitted it.....so they are desperate to take home a W....so much that they are claiming a duck when both guys had prior fights planned for spring/summer and the DAZN deal had those fights included...lol Fury, Khan, Lewis, Froch, Warren have ALL said that AJ is ducking AJ refused the 50m he demanded..... then he refused to sign the 15m deal that Wilder accepted you literally could not paint a clearer picture for the AJ fcukboys

dont forget the 12.5 they said was a good deal even though their side refused to guarantee the one stipulation wilder had these guys act like they were supposed to fight each other NEXT...but they werent wilder can still go to him when hes done with miller what hearn and DAZN wont like is that wilders side is going to want half and half of the fighters money for wilder....something AJ's people surely thought was impossible mere months ago....but wilder can get it....but AJs team is going to have to swallow a bitter pill.....they have now shown wilder is worth something.....surely when wilder insists on half they will say "hes only worth that money if hes with us"....because all they were trying to do is reduce their risk they arent going to like having to give half to wilder...which is what wilder will ask for after AJ beats miller they had Wilder on the hook for 15m..... BUT THEY PASSED making the LIONS share, was not a good enough reason for AJ to fight Wilder..... and yet..... the dickhead brigade still accuse Wilder of ducking unbelievable

The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $5m and that it was a good deal. The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $15m and that it was a good deal. The AJ fans now say Wilder is ducking at $40m and that it was a good deal. The first two statements weren't true at the time yet the AJ fans were all up in arms about how Wilder was a chump who was ducking AJ. It was funny how certain people here - mostly from a particular region in the world - have stamped their feet and thrown temper tantrums about how Wilder was a coward. Not a week went by without a new thread from some of these folks. Considering the short amount of time that has passed and the amount that the offers have risen, it shows that all those fanboys were wrong - those deals sucked all along as some of us said they did. They were chump change deals and now everyone knows it. Time to apologize, fanboys. You were and are wrong. Somehow though the narrative hasn't changed yet from those same trash posters because they're not mature enough to admit it. They instead continue to double (triple?) down on their own idiocy. They still claim Wilder is ducking AJ. Guess what? He didn't duck him then and he isn't ducking now. And for the millionth time I will say that I believe AJ has the upper hand in a match between him and Wilder. When that fight happens I'm putting money on AJ. So let's get this out there. Wilder's pattern isn't ducking and it's actually quite consistent. Instead, Wilder has and continues to bet on himself. He could have taken the guaranteed low-ball money but he's continually doubled down on his ability to bank more later. And that belief has been rewarded as he banks more in each fight. Now he's talking big time numbers. He's like a poker player and his pile of chips has steadily increased. Was this the right time to push them to the middle? It's pretty obvious that he doesn't think so. As for my personal take, I'm inclined to believe that the current offers are good. I think we're finally into the ballpark of what is the reasonable market rate. Without knowing any more I probably would have taken it. But I'm not privy to all the offers Wilder has received and I doubt anyone else here is either. It may be that by waiting another 3 months and KOing Breazeale - if he does - could up that offer to $200M over 3-4 fights. We simply don't know what the maximum upside is since undefeated heavyweights historically have always commanded the most money. It could be that by holding out just a few more months and another win both he and Joshua could make money that makes the Floyd-Pac gate look small. If Wilder thinks (or more likely if it's already down on paper) that he could make more by winning his next one and then signing then he's just betting on himself which is what he's done consistently. It could be a smart move or his run at the table could end suddenly and all those potential riches would instantly evaporate. That's the risk he's taking and we'll see if it pays off or whether it's one of the dumbest business decisions in boxing history. the dickheads who insisted that 15m was a great offer, look pretty dumb right about now..... the chief dickhead being Eddie Hearn why do people NEED to have an opinion, about something they know nothing about?

I have painted you a picture son :lol1: I think that Arum is likely 100% correct especially with the current landscape..... of Fury waiting to maximize his position before the Wilder rematch..... and Joshua doing his thing with Pulev/Usyk/whoever Wilder needs to make his own path..... not wait for handouts from the guys who offered him 12m no wait, so...... the dedicated professionals Haymon/Espinoza, who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career, cannot be trusted..... but the sleazy snake who offered Wilder 12m, then lost his pen, then lied about it for MONTHS..... can be trusted? is that your story..... ? really ? and the funny thing is..... over the last two days, I am not the only who painted your dumb ass a picture..... " We knew that Shelly knows how to count money and we thought they would see that while it looked like a tremendous amount of money, in reality, if everything broke the right way, it would be shortchanging Wilder " " Loyalty means if you are generally in the same neighborhood with the financial opportunities, I think loyalty is the tie-breaker to stay with who got you there. And I think that’s the situation. So that’s why I think it’s important to emphasize that Deontay isn’t making a financial sacrifice " kid..... your lame excuses to justify why AJ shat the bed and ducked Wilder..... are quite frankly ridiculous, and exhausted just so ya know well done again, short-bus you got the order wrong. fury chose to go a differ direction rather than face wilder, and it looks like wilder chose to go a different direction rather than face aj...so now aj is being forced to find another path. by your own logic, wilder is "ducking" aj...end of story...that's why you still wanna talk about last year.:lol1: