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Keep dreaming son. Pacquiao will KO Tony if this fight ever happens. Not a chance. Margarito only needs to strap on the "specially-filled" "other" pair of gloves instead of his normal pair and Pacquiao won't stand chance. :lol1: Assuming that Roach neglects to check Margarito's gloves, of course.

No, the P4P rankings might be more like this: "Sugar" Ray Leonard: Better than anyone else on this list by a long-shot; even better than Hearns. Thomas Hearns: He would destroy Floyd and Manny, and probably win a U.D. against Cotto. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.: He would outskill and be able to stay away from Cotto and out-box Manny, but he would be destroyed by Hearns and Leonard. Miguel Cotto: My surprise inclusion. The fact of the matter is, Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito may not have happened because Margarito might have gunned for the higher-ranked fighters like Hearns and Leonard. And, if plaster-packed Margarito hadn't brutalized him, Cotto would be ranked here in my opinion. Manny Pacquiao: The obvious inclusion, but his rank comes not from his fighting ability but his ability to maintain effectiveness while scaling the weight classes.

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I would imagine it would be just as astonishing as when he defeated Cotto. At the time Cotto was the clear favorite and arguably one of the most feared wws in the division too. SO, Margo upsetting Pac would be like Margo upsetting Pac. I'd be floored if that happened. It's possible but I would have Pac winning the fight. "Margo upsetting Pac would be like Margo upsetting Pac" is getting sigged. ;) Cotto was arguably more fearsome than Pacquiao is now, but then Margarito defeated him by cheating, which I'm sure people will be more careful of. Come now - do you really think prime Cotto could lose to Margarito if the latter wasn't cheating?

I think that it is also possible to blame Manny for not agreeing to the correct cut-off date for the drugs (suggesting that he may well be involved in steroids himself), and of course Margarito is also at fault for obvious reasons, but I wouldn't boycott the fight because in the end, boxing is boxing. That said, it may not be close enough to be worth watching.

Realistically, there's no way Ali Knocks Out a prime Vitali - he doesn't have enough power - but he U.D.s him with relative ease. Wladimir has no heart and may well be Knocked Out. ali 80" reach liston 84" vitali 80" wladimir 81" Paul Williams (Junior Middleweight): 82" reach

Originally, Haye called out Wladimir and thought that he could beat him, and genuinely wanted the fight. However, when he saw Wladimir beat Chambers, he realized that currently he was no match for him, and he realized that he needs more time. But no, right now, he does not want a match with Wladimir (forget Vitali). It's neither option.

It would be impossible to hit Mayweather with those shots, even if Pacquiao did manage to land some. If they did land as cleanly with Hatton, Pacquiao would take six or seven rounds to KO Mayweather. But, again, there's no way anyone in history could land so cleanly and powerfully against Mayweather (much less Pacquiao).

Say the Kessler who lost to Calzaghe has 50 points. The Kessler who fought Ward had 10 points, and was beaten. When someone like him loses, their number of points can be divided by 5. Now, Kessler with 2 points beat a prime Froch, while 10-point Kessler was outclassed by Ward, whom we can give 20-40 points. Do you get the idea? The kid is truly great.

Mayweather could beat anyone at Junior Lightweight, but in terms of skills, destructiveness, resume and overall greatness I think he needs to come 2nd to Arguello. So he is the #2 Junior Lightweight of All-Time in terms of skills, resume and overall greatness, but in terms of winning ability he is at the very top.

Pacquiao would never agree to a rematch if Cotto looked prime again. But, if it did happen, I would definitely be willing to watch it, although a closer and better fight would be that Cotto vs. Mayweather (this would be fabulous).

The only person with reactions superior to the prime Jones is Ali. Pernell is about the same; Mayweather's reflexes are just a tiny bit behind, though he makes up for it with his defensive skills.

Mayweather and Mosley right now could easily beat Williams. Martinez would have a chance, but there are no guarantees. In terms of skill level, I would put Devon Alexander ahead of Williams, but in a fight, Williams would be a tougher opponent for anyone due to his freakish physical attributes. Nonetheless, neither would come close to beating Mayweather or Mosley. Pacquiao could beat Alexander (though he would avoid any such fight), but Williams' reach would be just too great.

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Why weren't they asked? Obviously because none of them had ever done what Pacquiao had done. He has done the "impossible" by scaling the weights and maintaining effectiveness, something none of Floyd's other opponents have come close to. This is why he requested that Pacquiao be checked and monitored for drugs. Is that not obvious?

The reputation you get once you KO Larry Holmes is something no one can ever match.

Floyd moved up higher (at 154 impressive win against Oscar ) than Pac (147) and they both started boxing at the age of 16 starting at 106 lbs. So Pac done the impossible (on roids) while flomos like you believed Floyd is not? Double standard uh? You flomos should be shot to the head to learn your lesson.:chairshot You don't get the point at all. Mayweather looked at his best at 130 lbs, where he was for only a short time before moving up the weight classes. He was at 130 lbs in his prime, at a reasonable age (25 or so). On the other hand, Pacquiao stayed at his very low weight classes fighting the likes of Barrera for 10 years and looked good, and then suddenly, at an age when he should have been past prime, looked better than ever 5 weight classes higher than what was thought of as his natural and prime weight. This is not natural, so it was fair enough for Floyd to ask for the testing. So by scaling the weights and maintaining effectiveness, Paq accomplished the same thing Floyd accomplished. How does that make him a cheater? This just goes to prove Floyds arrogance, either he believes no one can possibly equal him, or he is just looking for a way out. IF ANY SELF-PROFFESSED FLOYD FAN SIMPLY ANSWERS THE QUESTION IN THE THREAD TITLE WITHOUT CHANGING THE QUESTION OR ACCUSING PAQ OF CHEATING, I WILL GIVE YOU GREEN K, I PROMISE. How many weight classed did DLH win titles in, no request for OST there. De La Hoya only won world titles in 6, and he won them against lesser opposition than Pacquiao. Pacquiao won titles in 8, breaking boundaries people thought to be untouchable, and he won them against people like Morales, Barrera, Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya - a league above De La Hoya's opponents. Pacquiao did not accomplish the same thing that Floyd accomplished; Mayweather was only at the very low weights for very short periods of time and then went straight up to the higher weights and stayed there (Junior Welterweight to Junior Middleweight) for a long time. Pacquiao spent a long time at his first 3 weight classes, and then moved up 5 at the age of 30 and looked prime, or better than prime, again. Mayweather looked at his best at a younger age, as is normal (he was a better Junior Lightweight than anything else). Why does Pacquiao look at his best 6 weight classes above the one where he was at for 10 years?

Pacquiao would not really be able to stand up to Mayweather's defensive capabilities. His speed would simply not matter. Mosley, on the other hand, is big - big enough to faze Mayweather. Mosley has a better chance, although I would still guess Mayweather.

If you make sure that the weights are in the same range and then tell Bruce what he is and is not allowed to do, he wins quickly, unless he gets disqualified for breaking the rules accidentally.

Welterweight ranks are utter shit. Mayweather is the best in Welterweight, followed by Shane and only then Manny. But P4P, Manny is the #1 (or maybe #2). His skill is not in being a good fighter at Welterweight, but his ability to maintain a high level of ability across so large a weight span.

Abraham gets owned. Someone like him does not recover so easily from losses. After failing against Dirrell (the real master of the tournament along with Ward), Abraham skills are not going to show up for the next fight. If they do, on the other hand, Abraham wins by TKO at some point late in the fight. He was a considerably superior fighter to Froch. We'll soon find out if he's kept his abilities.

If Floyd can get past Mosley, aside from Pacquiao (which seems pretty unlikely at this point) there aren't many other choices of opponents available. Berto is the only elite WW outside of Floyd, Pac and Mosley, but he hasn't done anything to prove that he's ready for the big three (actually, he's kinda proved that he's not ready). However if he fights Cotto and somehow finds a way to win, then a fight between him and Floyd would be demanded. But if Berto-Cotto doesn't happen, or Berto loses (which is likely), should Mayweather move up to 154? There are some pretty good names at 154, but they haven't done s**t recently. Perhaps in the next 12 months they could do something big. For an example if Yuri Foreman beat Cotto, and then went on to beat Cory Spinks (or if Spinks beat him), I'd have no problem a clash with Floyd. Or if Cintron somehow found a way to beat Paul Williams, a fight between him and Floyd would be huge. However, a fight a certainly would NOT want to see is Mayweather-Cotto. That fight has absolutely no meaning at this point, unless Cotto pulled a lucky Sanders and KO'ed Pacquiao at 154, and I wouldn't EVER bet on that happening. I'd actually bet on Pac stopping him by the end of the 6th. There won't be much at Welterweight for Mayweather, but moving straight up 8 lbs will be dangerous, and I doubt he would do it. As for Berto vs. Cotto, Berto would toss Cotto around like a ragdoll. Unfortunately, the current Cotto is less than a shadow of what he was in his undefeated prime (i.e. until he faced plaster-equipped Margarito) - that Cotto would have made a mockery of Berto (and also of Pacquiao, in my opinion), and would easily get beaten by Berto. A further loss to Pacquiao (soon after the career-ending loss to Margarito) has ended him once and for all. Berto vs. Mayweather would then be a fine option, but Berto will get owned. It would be an interesting fight. Mayweather could try moving up to 154 lbs, where there will be plenty of challenges, but they would be dangerous opponents and I'm not sure he'll want to do that. If Bradley extinguishes all Junior Welterweight opposition by taking out Maidana, Khan, Malignaggi, and then serious undefeated opponents like Alexander and Olusegun, then he will be set up perfectly for a big fight with Hatton, which he should comfortably win. Then, finally, Bradley will be a big name in America and Floyd will take a fight with him (Bradley has said he will move up if Floyd agrees to it).

Mosley is larger than Floyd and will trouble him and give him a fight. Pacquiao would be too small to physically challenge Mayweather. Mosley is a far tougher fight. For what its worth he'll beat both of them easy and it wont even look like hes trying. Hes just on a whole different skill and talent level then both of them. Higher level than Pacquiao? Yes. But Mosley? No. Not really. Because Mosley is large enough to pose problems.

You stupid fool Green doesnt stand a chance. Kessler (superior to Froch, who is superior to Bute, who is superior to Miranda, who beat Green) lost a wide UD to Ward; what the hell will Green do?

Ezzard Charles might have had a good chance at 175 (I'd put it at 50/50 odds). At 168, I would make every fighter in history an underdog against Roy Jones (prime).

Stupid post - Cotto was way out of it when he took on Pacquiao, and anyone from Mosley, Gatti, Baldomir, Corrales, Castillo, etc. could have beaten him. As for De La Hoya and Hatton, they were also way past the form they were in when they fought Mayweather. Frankly, Manny's awesomeness is in his ability to scale the weights and remain effective - to be honest, at Welterweight, he is not really a good fighter. I can see at least 15 people on Floyd's resume walking through the people who Manny beat; I can also see at least 4 of them beating Pacquiao at Welterweight.

By this logic, Sergio Martinez (WBC Light Middleweight Champion and WBC + WBO Middleweight Champion) is superior to Ricardo Lopez (#1 Minimum-weight of All-Time)? Some people like to stay and dominate one division. Also, Pacquiao did not rise through the ranks beating genuine super-Champions.

Prime Cotto would have destroyed Pacquiao and given Mayweather the fight of his lifetime, but I think he would have narrowly lost. Following the Margarito w/ loaded gloves fight, Cotto was ruined forever, and only recovered a bit when he got Manny Steward. But he would get obliterated by Floyd.

Shocking poll, if Bute is on it most of the Super Six should be as well (+ there is no indication that Ward is the best for certain). Here are my rankings. Andre Ward/Andre Dirrell: Both are unbeaten, although Dirrell against a higher quality of opponent - I would question whether Ward could beat King Arthur. However, due to Ward's dominaton over Kessler (who, after losing widely, still beat 27-0 Froch), I rank them evenly. Arthur Abraham: Assuming King Arthur (35-0 with 30 KOs) is still at his top level, he will blast out Froch, but he may well have lost a lot of skill when Dirrell beat him comprehensively. Prior to the Dirrell fight, after watching Dirrell struggle but beat Froch I reckoned that King Arthur would smash him. Even Ward, after he beat Kessler, didn't look good enough to handle Abraham (perhaps Ward isn't - we'll find out in Ward vs. Dirrell). Mikkel Kessler: Beat Froch, while both were fighting well. Carl Froch: 26-0 with 19 KOs is a fabulous record, and he is a great fighter. Let's see how he stands with Abraham. Lucian Bute: As good as Bute is, he would be ruined by 5 out of the 6 Super Six fighters. Particularly interesting would be Abraham, who would KO him mid-fight (Round 6), but Dirrell might get a late KO (Rounds 10-12) while Ward would win a lopsided UD. Kessler would win a convincing UD; Froch might win a closer, though still clear, UD.

Dirrell and Ward are both undefeated. Here is a little synopsis of their achievements so far. Andre Dirrell (20-0 with 13 KOs) In his first fight, he faced Carl Froch (25-0) and lost a Split Decision which should have been a close Unanimous Decision win for him. Carl Froch gets a fighter rating of 6 from me for this fight, while Dirrell gets 14. In his next fight, he took on Arthur Abraham (36-0 with 30 KOs!) and was the heavy underdog. It was thought before the bout that Abraham could Knock-Out any fighter in the tournament, but he was outschooled by Dirrell and eventually disqualified. Even now, it is possible that Abraham could Knock-Out every fighter in the tournament besides Dirrell (which would suggest that Dirrell would easily beat Ward). I will give Abraham two ratings, of which either could be correct - 11 and 8. Andre Ward (22-0 with 13 KOs) In his first fight, he faced Mikkel Kessler (42-1). Kessler was generally seen as the favourite - in fact, pre-Calzaghe he would have had a good chance at winning. However, Kessler lost a wide Unanimous Decision and I am giving him two possible ratings: 10 and 7. Kessler went on to beat Froch, which would make sense with either rating. His next fight was unimportant, but in beating Kessler, who no one else has beaten or can surely beat, Ward made himself hard to quantify. Both Ward ad Dirrell have someone like this who the other cannot relate to (an old legend in Kessler for Ward and the invincible and destructive King Arthur for Dirrell). I'm not favouring anyone in this fight.