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3.) He is an American, lighter skinned gold medalist. People can say people arent racist but the fact of the matter is no one has gotten more exposure for being an olympic gold medalist than this guy. He is appealing to white american eye (majority). What about Sugar Ray Leonard? He didn't make as much money (might have if he came up in DLH's era), but he was definately a bigger household name than Oscar De La Hoya. It's got more to do with their charisma, their charm and personality. Both are well spoken and respectful infront of the camera. And coming up, through the gold medal into the pros, they had exciting styles. Everyone wanted to see them. And then they each had their big fights, which exposed them to bigger and bigger audiences each time. Fans liked what they saw and kept coming back. I was one of them. I heard of this new exciting sensation who had won the gold in Barcelona and was on a quest for greatness in the pros and was interested to see him in the ring. I saw some of his fights and watched him massacre the great Julio Cesar Chavez and he's been my favorite fighter ever since. I became a massive boxing fan because of it. Before I only knew about Tyson's big fights and then his comeback and didn't know much else besides maybe that Chavez had an amazing record and that was it.

Hatton's alright to watch. I think he's unfairly been labeled a wrestler. He looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi and the only one who made that fight ugly was Paulie. He didn't even hold that much against Mayweather, actually Mayweather was the one doing most of the holding with his move, punch, hold tactics. What if PBF was British, would he be a bigger embarrassment to you?

Hey Iceman, any chance you will be doing more ESPN classics in future? Last of them I saw I noticed Joe Tessitore was working with Baby Joe Mesi. He did alright, but I think it works better with Joe and yourself. Want us to bombard ESPN with emails to bring you back?

He was backing up Ortiz because Ortiz is a dumb fighter and was so easy to hit with right hands. He'd be a fool to try to walk Pac down. Pac would Hattonize him. Pac has the footwork and the speed to create the space and opportunities to land big shots on charging opponents. A dumb fighter like Ortiz can not. Neither could Mosley, who had no legs and is an average boxer anyway.

We all know this. It's no secret. Mayweather got the idea of the drug testing all the way up to the fight from watching that vid of Pac on youtube. Anyone who claims Floyd wouldn't waste his time trying to get an edge that way, look what he's doing to offset the mentality of B level fighter Ortiz, inviting his father, ex-friend Rios and his trainer's estranged brother to walk out with him. The guy is about getting every advantage he can get.

Cheated Marquez on the scales too. Two of his last three fights have been utter farces against outmatched opponents he didn't need to cheat.

If you follow the Mayweathers, you should know the story. Floyd Sr was confronted by his brother-in-law yeilding a shotgun and held a baby Floyd up as a human shield. He was shot in the leg and I believe that is what killed his career as a top fighter. It's no wonder Floyd is ****ed up, growing up in such a demented family. We all know what a selfish, self-appraising scumbag Floyd Sr with little regard or respect for anyone else, especially evident leaving Ricky Hatton in the ring for dead like he didn't care what happened to him after the Pacquiao fight.

Pac's lack of opposition that he actually beat doesn't even warrant him top 5. Fighting Clottey, Margarito, Mosley WHEN he did doesn't even get him in the top 10. Barley beating JMM at WW in 2011 didn't do much besides expose the fact he didn't learn sh*t since 2008. Technically losing to Bradley in June knocks him down, period. Either way he lost whether you think it was vs JMM or Bradley he did lose one of those fights. Some could argue both. So at the end of the day Pac is not even top 5 P4P, he's just not. Ask yourself, WHEN was the last time he beat a Champion in the weight class he was fighting in? Or even a title holder at the weight class he was fighting in? Again, Pac is living off a a CW win from 2009. Nothing pac has done justifies top 5. Mayweather, Martinez, Ward, JMM, Donair, Klit, all have accomplished more. Pac has been exposed and from this point on will be hung out to dry because Bob is cashing out. You're a hater. Pacquiao clearly beat Bradley who was number 7 or 8 on P4P lists. That's a better win than Mayweather beating Ortiz (off of one win over unproven Berto) by sucker punch who went on to quit vs Joselito Lopez, and was equally unimpressive before the Berto fight. Clottey, Cotto were proven top 5 welters, even Mosley was still top 5 and basically the same Mosley Mayweather beat, and he was coming off of a 16 month layoff vs Floyd. He beat them after beating Hatton who was lineal at 140. He then beat Margarito for a JMW belt, who was later Cotto's best win at JMW and treated as a great feat by Cotto which lead to Mayweather fighting him and Cotto being Mayweather's best win since 2007. JMM was a trilogy fight, Mayweather fought him too, only he cheated him on the scales. If you try to degrade Pacquiao's resume, you're degrading Mayweather's too (Mayweather has Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz and Cotto since 2009, compared to Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, Bradley for Pac..seriously..). If you're going to take one off the top 5 list, you have to take both off to be consistent.

They're purses should have little effect in the split of the fight revenue in a fight between them. Pacquiao's promoter takes full responsibility for the promotion and it's costs and so in turn takes a share of the revenue, Mayweather uses his promotional company for the promotion and it's costs and rents GBP for probably a lesser fee, so much of the promotional revenue goes to his purse minus the costs. At the end of the day it's the money Top Rank can generate from Manny's fights vs the money Mayweather/Golden Boy promotions generate from their fights. their last fight- Pacquiao-Marquez PPVx1.41($55)=$77.5M..probably a bit more taking into account HD buys Gate (crowd 16,368)=$11.6M total=$89.1M, plus the HD buys Mayweather-Ortiz PPVx1.25($60+HD buys)=$78.4M Gate (crowd 14,687)=$9M total=$87.4M Sponsorship money and all that, both guys will bring the sponors to this fight no doubt, Manny arguably more so being a bigger worldwide figure. This fight is 50-50, revenue should be split down the middle and they should each have equal responsibility and share in the costs of the promotion. However each side splits their share is irrelevant. The deal Mayweather is asking for is ludicrous, he is looking to ride off Pacquiao's name to a probable $100M payday while offering Pac only $40M. How anyone defends it is beyond me, his fanboys are devoted that's for sure.

Many people hate Mayweather's character, it's harder not to. Especially if you're like Ricky, humble, down-to-earth..seeing a guy go around deliberately flashing wads of cash bragging about himself and his wealth like his whole world is a lame rap video, constantly trashing other fighters..if Mayweather didn't have security he'd be dead in a minute

So this means if Pac beats the winner of Berto/Ortiz or Kell Brook he is Ring Champ? Might actually get Mayweather to agree to fight him, it would hurt him deep if Pac was the Ring champ. Bad thing is if Mayweather decides to face Kell Brook or the Berto/Ortiz winner he will become champ without fighting Pac who he is ducking and his demands would get even more ridiculous. Good thing Canelo looks like he is next and Floyd will be dropped from the welter ratings

If he showed up he'd be accused of using Mayweather's fight to promote his. HBO should encourage it, invite him to guest commentate or agree to an interview ring side.

I've heard it said and read before that Mayweather-Marquez was the costliest promotion ever and that pulled a little over a million PPV viewers and fell well short of a sell-out. You can't gauge for sure how great it will go on how many ads you come across I don't think. It will depend on whether casuals will think it could be an exciting fight and can be drawn in because of Cotto's name. Cotto has had more PPV exposure than most other fighters today, and rarely been in a dull fight, so chances are it probably will do quite well. You also have to factor in a backlash from the ending of Mayweather's last fight which could effect some sales from people who bought that one and were left dissapointed.

He'd be Zab Judah with heart (for poster below lol) but less explosiveness. His ring IQ/boxing ability is not the best, gets shown up against the elite just the same. Impressive that he's a two-weight division even considering all the paper belts available today

Not that fast? Paulie in his prime was fast as fock! Ridiculous speed! Coupled with heart and a rock solid chin. If he had power his style as of now would be amplified ridiculously he wouldnt be a one handed puncher and coupled with his ring iq which i disagree with the other poster saying his ring iw is low. Because for him to have been world champ and gotten as far as he has with basically one hand and no power his ring iq had to be cultivated so to say he has low ring iq is absolutely ridiculous. With power paulie would have been an atg in my opinion I said his ring IQ/boxing ability is not the best, not necesarrily low. I base it on his perfomances vs the best fighters he fought, Cotto, Hatton and Khan. Thought he was outboxed by all of them, all of different styles, though he put in brave efforts. He couldn't adjust to any of them and blamed his corner for his first two losses which shows he needs to be told what to do in there. I think he's like Judah in that way aswell, he can look like a great flashy boxer against outmatched guys and average boxers, but against elite guys who have great boxing ability and able to adjust and change things up he struggles. Hatton was the one which stood out worse, sure Paulie was outmuscled, but Hatton didn't beat him in his usual mauling style, he outboxed him too and Paulie was the one doing all the holding he didn't know how to handle it. That was very embarrassing, particularly as Paulie called Hatton a C-level pub fighter before the fight, and he was the one who looked like that in the fight.

Roy Jones, Joe may or may not have ducked him. Doubt Roy would have bothered with a fight against him anyway if you look at the level of Jones' opposition through those years, and he couldn't even fight his rival in his division for years, Michaelczewksi. There is a quote out there of Joe saying he would never fight Roy, there are also the post fight interviews where Joe calls Roy out. Glen Johnson, Joe pulled out of a fight with him a few times through injury and personal problems. It's the equivalent of saying Vitali ducked Rahman. It was unfortunate it never happened, but Glen Johnson had a poor record at SMW and wouldn't have added much to Joe's resume there. Ottke and Beyer, bit of joke, they never would have fought Joe. They never left Germany, and they couldn't even fight each other and that would've been a massive fight in Germany. As for Hopkins, I know Calzaghe definately didn't duck Hopkins. Infact it was clearly the other way round. Hopkins refused to fight him and ended up fighting the likes of Hakkar for $200K after turning down multiple millions to fight Joe. Proof? Here's some from various sources... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay Larkin, former head of showtime.. Jay Larkin, head of boxing for the American Showtime television, said: "With Bernard you never know. I think he comes to us from outer space sometimes. But a fight against Hopkins is a natural for Wales and we would like it to take place here." Larkin confirmed that Hopkins last year agreed to a purse of £1.9million to go in against Calzaghe, only to demand double the money the very next day. link ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "We have to get Joe to America and the right fight is Bernard Hopkins," said Showtime boxing chief Jay Larkin. "Hopkins turned down a lot of money from us to fight Calzaghe last year, but after what Joe did to Mitchell we can up the ante and offer more." link ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay Larkin in his book about negotiations.. ..."A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Hopkins himself confirming negotiations took place.. Hopkins stated: "Right now I'm negotiating along with Don King and Jay Larkin of Showtime. Who we spoke to and we're going to talk to him about two fights, maybe my mandatory too, which makes it a three-fight deal. "It would be the mandatory, Harry Simon and Joe Calzaghe. While Calzaghe fights for that other super-middleweight title, I'll wait for that and knock off Simon after the mandatory and fight the WBO title." link ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roy Jones talking about the situation.. According to both King and Hopkins, the two worked out an agreement for Hopkins' next fight, no small accomplishment considering Hopkins spurned a $10.5 million three-fight Showtime offer made earlier this year that would have sent him into the ring to fight Morrade Hakkar, Joe Calzaghe and Harry Simon. "He's desperate for a fight and he needs to fight me because he messed up his deal with Showtime," Jones Jr. said in the dressing room prior to Saturday's main event. link ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Hopkins again..still ducking Joe in 2006 and not ashamed of it.. The original plan cooked up by Team Calzaghe was for Joe and Bernard to meet next March for a £10million showdown, according to the Sunday Mirror, but the never-at-a-loss-for-words Hopkins put a kibosh on those plans, not temporarily, but once and for all. "Calzaghe is a good fighter but right now it would be a backward step for me," Hopkins said. "It is not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev would be exactly the type of fight I need." link ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So there you go, Calzaghe gets a bad rap from ignorant Americans and his haters alike regarding Hopkins and it's completely unfair. We must remember Hopkins couldn't get the deal done with Roy Jones for their rematch when both were on top of the P4P lists, a fight he needed for his legacy. It's clear Hopkins didn't want either of those two guys from 2002-2007. Funnily enough both Hopkins and Jones came crawling to Joe for a payday when they had little to lose and he was top 2 or 3 P4P. No-one seems to see it like that though, it's always Joe fought them when they were old, utter bollocks

shane looks like he's on steroids again. Just wondering, was there OSDT for the Canelo-Mosley fight? DLH and Schaefer have made sure it be known how big of an advocate their company is for OSDT in boxing with their stance on the Pac-Mayweather fight. With Mosley being an outed cheat you'd think it would be a no-brainer he'd be tested for this one against their young starlet, if not just for Golden Boy not to look like incredible hypocrites.

They are using vada. Just like berto/oritz and khan/peterson Thanks. They kind of had to with how they've acted towards Pacquiao. Guess Mosley won't be showing up in Margarito form for this one. I just read an article where Mosley said the testers were very intrusive on his training regime for this fight. We might see the jittery Mosley from the Mayweather fight who gassed after 3. Canelo could be the first to stop Mosley I think

at least this version of Cotto is better then the weight drained version Pacquaio fought Wow, now Cotto is a great 154 fighter in his prime and no longer a damaged goods, past-it, overrated, blown up WW to Floyd's fans? Quite a transformation from 6 months ago. lol *****s are the most ridiculously stupid bunch of fans going around

Found it.... it belongs to Spoonwars http://i47.tinypic.com/2h3vkon.jpg lol that's good. think it's fairly easy to predict his next two fights will be Canelo and Khan, should they continue winning. He'd get a 90-10 split or close to it with them, gauranteeing him $30M+, and the risk is minimal compared to elite P4Pers Pac and Martinez. I'm surprised he fought Cotto and agreed to pay him $8M being the greedy SOB he is (even though Cotto made $6M+ vs Margarito and deserves $10-15M for this one).

Mayweather, the guy who's called other fighters "leftovers" and "damaged goods", including the one he is fighting next, and made weight-draining and PED accusations all to degrade Pacquiao's opponents, is crying about critics criticising his opponents? lol, this guy is a laugh

It's a niche sport, where you have to pay to watch the best fighters. There is little promotion or exposure to non-existing fans, though 24/7 has helped improve this. If the sport didn't have the great history behind it, it's doubtful whether it would be considered a top sport today

Sure man, he's so irrelevant you had to create a thread out of nothing to talk about him. So irrelevant Mayweather had to bring him up on the faceoff for his fight, again out of nothing. Get your head out of the sand, as long as Pacquiao is in boxing he is the face of it, along with Mayweather. Personally, I'm sick to death of the Mayweather-Pacquiao saga myself, and wish they'd both retire, but that's how it is.

That's fairly cheap for a Bentley in immaculate condition

Might be counter-suing the girl who claimed he raped her and used her butt plugs on himself

Yeah, because they merely survived all these years since the 60s by fluke. They've shown they don't know how to find and recognise new talent and promote them to the top. Give me a break. They'll create more stars just as surely as the sun is set to rise tomorrow morning.

It would be a typical Mayweather move, and consistent with his reputation for not fighting the biggest threats or seeking the biggest challenges since he moved to 140 after Castillo gave him hell at 135. We can add Martinez at 154 to a list of top fighters he didn't try to fight when he was in the same division as them, Tszyu, Hatton at 140, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao at 147.

And Mayweather himself bringing up Pacquiao in the face-off to ride off his name some more, and claiming Pacquiao cheated Cotto on the scales, just utterly pathetic. Where have his claims that Cotto was damaged goods and Margarito ruined him gone? Floyd Mayweather is now just a salesman and a conman always looking for the easy dupe. He will never fight a perceived real threat ever again.

Mayweather's had only one fight in 22 months, and for beating Victor Ortiz, a guy with a mostly dissapointing career thus far and only one significant win at welter? That's a bit of a joke. Ring really has become corrupted by GBP. I can this as a move to help build the Canelo-Mayweather fight.

Unlikely, Mayweather's defensive abilities notwithstanding, Cotto to me doesn't seem to have that type of concussive one shot power, though by all reports from his opponents he does hit hard.