So who did Joe Calzaghe duck?

lacy is garbage but its joes 3rd best win. Yeah. Which is embarrassing on all levels.

Nah, Lacy is garbage. Zero wins over ranked opponents. Pavlik atleast was the legit Lineal Champion at 160. It would have easily been on of his top 5 wins. Easily. I think saying Calzaghe's resume is average is an overstatement. lacy is garbage but its joes 3rd best win.

Prime RJJ He even admitted it

Hopkins beating Pavlik and then going on to be relevant at the top for few more years made the Hopkins win for Calzaghe look far more legit than it did at first anyway so i'm not that sure Joe needed the Pavlik fight to make his legacy much greater. Most likely would have been seen in a similar light to the Lacy victory. I do think Calzaghe has an average resume overall though, too many missed opportunities between 1999-2005. Nah, Lacy is garbage. Zero wins over ranked opponents. Pavlik atleast was the legit Lineal Champion at 160. It would have easily been on of his top 5 wins. Easily. I think saying Calzaghe's resume is average is an overstatement.

Agreed on Pavlik too, but that's why Calzaghe should have taken it. Low risk high reward but Hopkins ended up getting it instead. Blunder from Joe who's career is quite dire already. Hopkins beating Pavlik and then going on to be relevant at the top for few more years made the Hopkins win for Calzaghe look far more legit than it did at first anyway so i'm not that sure Joe needed the Pavlik fight to make his legacy much greater. Most likely would have been seen in a similar light to the Lacy victory. I do think Calzaghe has an average resume overall though, too many missed opportunities between 1999-2005.

But that was purely based on position picked up over a 23-0 record against nobodies. He was an unknown quantity in terms of what level he was at. Yes, he was RANKED in the world, but in terms of world class fighters he'd fought, who was there? No one. Until he beat Pascal/Taylor, there was no way of knowing he'd be able to hang in at that level. Put it this way.... if Froch had fought Calzaghe in 2008 - at a time when 90% of Fat Yankistanians hadn't heard of him - what would people have said about the win? Would it have been: A. Good win, Joe, you beat a world-ranked contender; or B. Who the **** was that guy anyways? I just looked at his freakin' record, and I don't know how he was ranked in the world as he'd fought NO ONE except eurotrash. Anyways, I could care less." I can buy him taking on a completely shot Royston Jones as a glorified exhibition (which embarrassingly turned into a fight for his life for a couple of rounds*) just for the cash.... but nothing else. You might be right about how the bookies saw Moby, but I certain made a few £££ when I put my cash on Bore Hard. * ROUND ONE - That's where the drama starts! ROUND TWO - Fuck it, I'll just let you easily UD me after that, shall I? I'm shot to shit. Yeah I do agree with you on Froch to be fair. Fight didn't make sense at the time. I'd still have liked to have seen it though like when Froch fought Groves when he was his mandatory and didn't really need to at the time. But Hopkins P4P #3 and #1 LHW for a boat load of money on HBO PPV or Carl Froch? Easy choice. Agreed on Pavlik too, but that's why Calzaghe should have taken it. Low risk high reward but Hopkins ended up getting it instead. Blunder from Joe who's career is quite dire already.

This moron DreamFighter has autism, Anny. And the title should be "Who ducked Joe Calzaghe?" It would be a long list. Could start it with Sven Ottke, Markus Beyer, prime Roy Jones Jr. and prime Bernard Hopkins.

No, it really hasn't. You somehow think you've made a point, when that entire point rests on a foundation of you being an uncomprehending twat. It's the way of NSB, with 90% of debates going as follows: A. Misunderstand (wilfully or through stupidity) what the other person is saying. B. Tell them they're "wrong" about something they haven't even said in the first place. Like I said, I was having an ADULT conversation. Then you came along. ha rybacki, wat a fail and u wont even admit it, it must truly be dismal if u are trying to pretend you didnt say it. A. have i misunderstood u said rybaki? NO. Because YOU DID. B. Did you not mention Rybacki in the first place? YOU DID. Another lie from u.

It's late over here, I can't be bothered to get into this now. Me and my boy IronDanHamza were having a nice, respectful, sensible conversation. Then you plant yourself in the middle of it with all this "yu're sayen dat..." and "u dont no nuthen bout no boxen". I've got no time for kindergarten debating, sorry. only when ur point fails.

No, kid. It's not a "joke", because that's NOT what I was saying. read what u r writing for once, thats exactly what i am calling YOU out about. Joe had a 10 year history of facing subeuro bums, yet u think hes ok to duck a new world class guy who is mando for the real titles he just won, for one day. 10 yrs vs 1 day! and you know why he fought rybacki at late notice right...cos Joe ran off from the fight! if joe hadnt doen a runner he'd not have fought Rybacki,, so your "haha rybacki" is becos joe was being shyt, not froch. Your own case wrecked itself.

But that was purely based on position picked up over a 23-0 record against nobodies. He was an unknown quantity in terms of what le Put it this way.... if Froch had fought Calzaghe in 2008 - at a time when 90% of Fat Yankistanians hadn't heard of him - what would people have said about the win?. it would be his 2nd elite win IF he had won, thats double the elite wins joe had. HAHAHAHA.

But that was purely based on position picked up over a 23-0 record against nobodies. no, it was over beating top world class Pascal. Beating prime pascal is not an unknown quantity. lets in comparison look at joes previous victims, his usual diet before kessler - bika - a SMW novice manfredo - a tv show "athlete" lacy - half the man Pascal was. ashira - a career welter/middle with no title pedigree salem -zero title success zero contention Mario Veit - infamous for bieng a nobody Myger - a nobody who fought noone all his life Mithell - a retiring former champ looking for a paycheck who was waved off on his feet by a cardiff ref immediately after dropping joe, and joe refused a rematch Pudwill, Jiminez - nobodies Brewer - a three defence champ woodhall - crippled retiree looking for apaycheck who should never have been in the ring Sheika - zero pedigree in fact all the otehrs apart from reid had zero pedigree SO... are you saying Joe was ok to not froch for 40 minutes.... when Froch had just taken a title level scalp. BUT he was OK TO FIGHT 10 YEARS OF GUYS WAY BELOW THAT? HAHAHA! What a joke.

If you got a title that is unrecognised and that noone therefore wants, then its difficult to be ducked. A lot of people think that he ducked Echols Tate Hopkins first time Jones etc etc etc s add 10 other fighters but there was no fight booked for any of them - Warren was just using their name to sell Joe, whilst Joe fought another bum. Thats why Joe never faced a name until he was about to quit, because he never arranged to face one. Noone pretends that Joshua and Wilder are ducking E. Rrustem, the WBF champ. Its just simply noone has heard him or recognised him as champ - this is the same situation Joe was in back then. Wilder probably laughs at the WBF, as did serious boxers laufgh at WBO and IBO back in joes time. Note that as soon as Joe won a recognised title, he dumped it, everytime. He didnt want a part in defending against top guys. the only real case for joe ducking came at the end when he ducked loads of guys serially to face old men, because he didnt want to pick up losses.

Sven Ottke also,people wanted him to fight Pavlik,Joe chose deadshot RJJ Ha, Sven Ottke... the most protected home cooked fighter in history, he wasn’t in joes league

Calzaghe was a notorious ducked. He held the WBO title hostage for NINE years beating bums in Cardiff.

But Froch's rise was just due to a shallow division... at the time he was 23-0, but completely untested against any serious opposition. The best name on his record was probably a shot-to-shit Robin Reid. (Who nearly KO'd him). When I said "world level", I wasn't really talking about his ranking position, more whether he'd shown he belonged there. He hadn't even fought anyone at European level, let alone world.. he was pretty much untested. As for Pavlik, I remember the calls for Joe to fight him when he was two divisions above him. Only NSB would call it a duck... they'd probably slate him for not fighting Mayweather. (And I'd like to do that poll to see how many would have Mayweather winning. :lol1:) Yeah like I said I don't blame Calzaghe for that because better fights such as Hopkins was on the table for bigger money. But let's not act like Froch was a british level fighter. He was WBC mandatory and Calzaghe vacated when the mandatory was ordered. As for Pavlik, that's a fight that the public wanted. Right or wrong. 2 weight classes lower yes but he was consideres dangerous at the time. So much so the bookies favoured him to knock Hopkins out. Calzaghe fought Roy instead which was a pathetic choice on all levels.

"Duck" is massively overused on here. For some reason it seems to mean "I didn't get the fight that I wanted". To me, the fight needs to make sense to all parties and you still ditch it because you don't think you can beat the guy. An example might be if Wilder chose to lose his belt rather than fight Joshua or an ordered rematch with Fury. That would be worthy of the 'duck' title. Most 'ducks' just make too much sense to be called 'ducks'.

The real shame of Calzaghe is that we never really got to see (much) him really showcase his skills with the best. Though there are some narratives that aren't actually true, no matter how often they're repeated: 1. Carl Froch, above. People like to confuse times here, particularly as both seem so "recent". But when Froch was calling out Calzaghe, he was just another UK boxer who hadn't made it to European level, let alone world. Okay, we found out Froch could hang there, but we didn't know that at the time. Although in 2008 Froch went through Pascal-Taylor-Dirrell, when Joe Calzaghe retired Carl's latest opponent was Albert Rybacki. Who? Exactly. FWIW Froch always said he'd have to win by KO, as the workrate of Calzaghe would make him almost impossible for him to beat on points. 2. Sven Ottke This is one time where I don't care even if it WAS a duck. I've only seen a handful of Ottke fights, but in all of them I'm amazed he was the "winner". Robin Reid was warned by the referee for hitting the guy. The Germans still do cheating refs like no one else. It's not like Joe would have lost to this guy anyway. 3. Royston "Roy" Jones Jr. I hear talk about this, and I've never seen this "fear of flying" in interviews that is often quoted. One thing to note is that when Calzaghe got his world title in the SWM division, Royston had moved up to LHW for a YEAR. So there was never a time when they were in the same division on the same level playing field, much like Joe and Froch. As for the rest, it's all speculation of varying degrees. The most maddening one is probably Kelly Pavlik, who was tailor made for him. Froch was the WBC Mandatory for Calzaghe when he vacated the belt so he was on the cusp of World Level at the time. Don't particularly blame him for taking more money to fight Hopkins but, just saying. Also don't see how Pavlik is speculation. Pavlik and Shot Roy Jones were on the table he and he fought shot Roy instead.

He beat eubank lacy roy Jones hopkins kessler and some other good worl level fighters. What more did u want him to do? Fight more than 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 would be a good start.

And the fact that they didn't happen was all JC fault right? F&%$#ng Americans. So far up their own arses it's unreal. RJ wanted absolutely nothing to do with Joe, absolutely uninterested. Same with Eubank. The supposed great yanks avoided these guys. ****ing yanks: think nothing outside of their world exists at all. Your media hypes your guys, and you buy it. See also, Wilder, Deontay. He's a piece of **** who has been protected as he is American. Whyte is miles better than him. Joyce and Dubois are far better than him. The hypocrisy of Americans is disgusting. If you talk about Joes bad hands, they act like he never had problems. But they will be the first to scream out that Floyd had hand problems.