De La Hoya moved down 7 lbs from 154 to 147, even fought at 150 inbetween to warm up for it
De La Hoya didn't fight at 147 for 7 years
Dawson moved down 7 lbs from 175 to 168, Dawson didn't fight at 168 for 6 years
What makes it different? De La Hoya moved down 7 lbs in contractual weight but actually cut down 12 to unnecessarily get down to 142. What also makes it different is that he dieted for so long that his stomach shrunk and he didn't gain the weight back and still came in with a fight night weight of under 147. Chad Dawson rehydrated to over 180+lbs.
Chambers didn't do shit. Him and Kevin Johnson both need to retire from boxing.
these guys all end up looking like shit fighting the klitschkos. haye shouldn't even waste his time. lets get all of these guys and have them fight each other. even arreola looked like shit against vitali. any combination of those four, though, fighting each other would be a good fight.
dirrell wasn't faking, that was a completely clean right hook that dirrell wasnt bracing himself for. stop watching streams and watch the replay on a tv his whole face was spun around.
1. its a flush punch clean on the chin. only a complete moron would even attempt to pull of such a blatant lie and say it was a glancing blow. u even provided a video that shows he got hit flush dumbass. if thats a glancing blow whats a clean blow? u gotta put your head through his skull?
2. u can acctually see in the overhead replay he turns both his shoulder and his hips into the punch, obviously not an arm punch. again u provide evidence that just shows u are wrong, and again if thats a slap how do u punch someone? with a sledgehammer?
3. dirrell didnt "pause", its called a delayed reaction. its probably more common than ppl getting instantly sparked as soon as a punch connects.
4. to say he looks unnatural only proves he was hurt. u ever seen someone sitting on the buss looking like taylor or hatton after they were knocked out by abraham and pac?
not only are your claims false but u even post a video that shows they are false. u have to be amongst the dumbest ppl to ever post on this site, which is saying ALOT.
yeah, youre right. the author of this thread is a complete idiot.
and btw anytime you take a blow and fall the opposite way , you take the complete impact of the punch. some of the most deadly ko's ive ever seen were like that.
Nikkuh please... AA's legs were too far apart when he threw that punch so there is physically no way the punch was hard enough to have that kind of effect since he had literally no leverage on it, it was a swing more than a punch, plus he glazed him, not really connected cleanly, also it was on the chin, not on the temple or back of the head in order to cause a concussion or a punch that would of otherwise cause Dirrell to be disoriented as he was clearly acting out. Listen fools, I ain't condoning AA's action, it was fukked up, and the DQ was the right call but Dirrell sold that shit big time, and he bitched out of a clear victory.
yeah right and pacquiao's punch shouldnt have knocked out hatton cause it was on the chin instead of the temple or the back of the head right? A punch to the jaw is as devastating. it looked like a pretty brutal punch to me, especially with dirrell down and not protecting himself with his chin wide open.
yeah i completely agree with lorenzo. what do you do with dirrell though? i already said i didnt think he was faking but... what do you do in that situation? I cant picture abraham getting a KO for that....
he did horrible. he should have been closer at the end and he missed two knockdowns. everytime i locked for the ref he was always too far away from the action.
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man this shows what ive been thinking all along. although AA has a tight guard while staying on the defensive this guy leaves himself WIDE open when he punches. you see some of those left hooks he was trying to land on dirrell yesterday?
Andre Ward signed a deal with HBO a long time ago and still has more fights with them. They just stopped picking up his fights while he was still green and he fought on Showtime instead. I'm sure after this Super Six tourney and Dre has gained exposure HBO will make him fulfill his contract by showing him on a card after.
Found this on ESPN
Mike (Queens)
Can you please answer this Dan. Doesn't Andre Ward still have 1 fight left on his initial HBO contract? If so, can HBO make him fight on there network any time they want? Even if they can't, can they make him fight on HBO after the Super 6 even if Showtime wants to lick him up? Technically he still owes HBO right?
Dan Rafael
(11:57 PM)
I am not certain of this but I believe HBO, which did have another fight with Ward, long ago let him out of the obligation since it had nothing for him. I do not think that is in effect anymore. Even if it was, I would not think HBO could interfere with his existing agreement for the Super Six with Showtime. It's really a moot point.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/29529/rafael-after-dark
I'm am still shocked. How did Kirkland destroy both Julio and Vera who are really hard punchers, but gets destroyed by a featherfisted giraffe?
kirkland spent 30 months in prison and is now not trained by anne wolfe? why does everyone think he was exposed? he looked like **** in his last two fights what makes anyone think he'd look good tonight?
So the light-weight that needs to eat and drink all he can just to make welterweight, was dehydrated? lol
he was 145lbs at the weigh-in.
http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/lexielex/K45r6V3mXKd6TDUMBUqokvuVxKeA59AKYVxTfd0R4lGru78zFnPlWcCpV4io/Cool_story_bro.jpeg
LMAO!
i could change mine from punching power to a good trainer. imagine if he was with roger mayweather early in his career. he always seemed to do just enough to lose and then got these ridiculous blowout loss scorecards when he really was competitive. he always clowned around and show boated when he was really just staying even with his opponent.
That's the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard. Only a Pactard would agree with that. Why then did Pac come up with the excuses that he was afraid of needles and that it would make him weak for the fight? If he wasn't going to let any one call the shots, why didn't he just say so from the beginning? Because thats not the case at all. And the comment how Mayweather needs Manny in a historical sense is a useless argument. It might be true but it doesn't mean Floyd can't have his own stipulations as well. When it comes down to it both fighters needed each other to make as much money as they were going to get or else they wouldn't have agreed to a 50/50 split. Get your heads out of your asses guys.
lol yeah manny pacquiao's just going to come out of nowhere saying "I CAN ONLY TAKE THIS FIGHT IF I DON'T GET BLOOD TESTED FOR STEROIDS"
why do you people keep saying that "mayweather has ruined his reputation?" says who? you? who are you? you know damn well that this all started with his great pappy accusing pac of using ped. a bum you would not exactly trust for credible info. and didn't you just read the article you've reposted here? it explains why pac is not submitting to floyd's demands. not agreeing to the test doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty. you have to present credible evidence. so far not one individual has come out to confirm he's taking them... you can't possibly believe that this is just a two-man conspiracy theory do you? where is the source of the substance, who is supplying it, etc...
it's floyd's rep that was ruined here, not pac. the impression that he's ducking pac is all over your own media. yes, the us media. who are you kidding?
i wish more people thought like you buddy... look around. people aren't really like that. im glad that there are people who recognize that MP was unfairly accused of taking steroids. but from reading articles, these forums, listening to people talk (even boxers, look at paulie, cotto, marquez, and all of these others who side with mayweather. then you've got allan green, bernstein and others siding with pacquiao) I'd say public opinion is about 50/50. The fact that it is even like that to begin with is a travesty.
And the article I submitted there.... I WROTE. So I'm showing where I stand when it comes to MP taking steroids. But that doesn't mean I don't think he needs to take the test to prove people wrong. (Like I said, its unfortunate, cause it really should have never gotten to this.)
BTW as one of the few who chose Andre Ward-Allan Green, it is solely because I am from the Bay Area. It will probably be the least entertaining of the 3 and a wide UD for Dre. I'll still have fun watching at ringside.
good read
For Pacquiao It's Not The Drug Test, It's Relinquishing Control
By Frank Lotierzo
The on and off again “super fight” between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. has turned the boxing world and community upside down more so than it even was just a month ago. It's no secret to anyone who has observed Mayweather and his minions that they've purposely created a controversy to hold up the fight in which there is not a shred of evidence that one exist.
One last time, there's not a morsel of evidence that Pacquiao has ever taken PED's/HGH. On top of that there's no such drug or supplement that can give a fighter more than he has physically; and if you think differently you haven't been around that many ranked or upper-tier professional boxers/fighters. Isn't it something how David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto had no qualm about fighting Pacquiao and then created a false smoke screen regarding steroid usage after losing to him in somewhat convincing fashion?
For those who forget, both Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas tinkered with some sort of supplements at a particular point in their careers. And it just so happens during that precise period they both suffered defeats. In fact it can be said during the period they were believed to taking different banned substances they never looked worse suffering their most conclusive defeats of their careers.
Pacquiao's body or actions haven't shown anything that would suggest he's juicing or beating the system in any way shape or form. He just happens to be a physical phenom like former five-division and all-time great Thomas Hearns. Hearns, like Pacquiao, was a string bean when he turned pro but put on muscle and retained his hand speed and power as he moved up in weight.
The ruse Mayweather is attempting to pull over on the boxing community is all about power and control. It boils down to nothing more than Mayweather, who is the lesser draw at the gate than Pacquiao; trying to dictate the terms to the fighter who has more leverage and needs him less to make a ton of money. Mayweather thinks if he makes enough accusations that Pacquiao is using PED's/HGH that people will begin to think it's true. And sadly some of those who show blind loyalty to Mayweather and act as if it's his birth right to go down as one of the greats - give him cover.
Today the Mayweather faction tries to paint anyone who doesn't worship at the throne of Mayweather as being a hater. That's great and if they think that they can dismiss the bull-crap that Mayweather is doing by simply painting those who know the game of boxing and stating the truth, great. They'll get no where and will continue to fight and make excuses for a fighter who has cried, begged and pleaded for homage more than any supposed great fighter during the modern era of professional boxing.
The bottom line is Manny Pacquiao isn't concerned about passing a drug test regardless of whether it's done by the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the Olympic committee. It's the idea that who is Floyd Mayweather to dictate the terms and conditions of it above and beyond any other championship fight in history? Why should Pacquiao let the fighter who needs the fight more for his career in an historical sense call the shots?
He shouldn't.
Pacquiao knows he can submit to any style drug test without worrying about passing it, but why should he? Simply because Floyd Mayweather Jr. insist on it? Pacquiao has smartly refused to give in and let Mayweather dictate the terms and circumstances surrounding the bout when he has more leverage of the two fighters.
Hopefully, Arum or Pacquiao will soon announce that they're going in a different direction since the Mayweather faction isn't serious about making the fight. And that they'll try and make a fight with the Mosley-Berto winner. If Mosley does beat Berto, every boxing observer alive knows he and Pacquiao would be a better and more exciting fight than Pacquiao-Mayweather.
Not to mention it would be conducted between two great fighters who are truly interested in finding out who the better fighter is more than just playing the system and fans.
what pacquiao doesn't realize is that whether its fair or not, mayweather has ruined his reputation. adhering to his original stance will only make him seem guilty. "innocent until proven guilty" only applies to law, not public opinion. pacquiao will eventually have to give in and take the test if the fight is to happen. can you imagine mayweather backing off his claims and then letting the fight happen? pacquiao will look guilty if that were to happen.
all of this coming from the author of "Manny Pacquiao Steroid Allegations: Unfounded to Begin With"
^In that article, I counter argue every argument that started off Pacquiao's steroid suspicion. That doesn't stop me from thinking he needs to take the test now. It's unfortunate really, especially if it really will take 3 days out of an important (probably the most important, **** you, Mayweather) part of training.
Tickets range $20 - $200, right now the $20 seats get you a ticket in the 200's area of staples center. Pretty great deal, check out ticketmaster.
thanks man i cant believe theyre selling tickets for $20.70... id rather do that and sneak up than pay for the ppv.
JMM has been JMM his whole career.....
Valero was the same Valero...
Bradley, the same Bradley...
What is going on with Pac these last 2 1/2 or 3 years that makes him able to KO a guy he couldnt before?
Why now is all I'm asking.
People say Pac has not gained power, so how can he KO JMM?
People say Pac hasnt gained speed,...
Pac hit JMM with everything in the book back then and JMM still tapped that ass.
So what is it that makes Roach feel can NOW just KO guys?
Hiding in plain sight...
Boxing, the only sport where the guy asking for better tests gets bashed...
I would love it if they never said hes gained power. Then nobody would question if he was on steroids, then he would be fighting mayweather.
And you didn't say anything about how much better hes gotten skillwise in the last 2 fights.
Turned it off after 10 mins or so, it was terrible. These idiots knew nothing about boxing, and i've heard the tyson story a million times and same with the tupac story.
yeah they were trying to force a connection between one of the most recognizable rappers and one of the most recognizable boxers of all time.
In reality, tupacs murder had nothing to do with the tyson fight. they can try to play up how the adrenaline from the fight led to tupac's altercation with Orlando... Whatever... The one line that connected Tyson to Tupac in his final moments was Tyson saying he felt guilty cause if he didnt have the fight Pac probably wouldn't have gotten murdered... The producer tried to force these two guys into a documentary just because theyre both so famous. They just spent half of the documentary telling the Tupac story and the other half telling Tyson's story.
its especially useless when a big deal of u being a boxer is made of it and ur opponent knows to go for a takedown right away..
and also useless when ur as fat as toney.. who came in 20 pounds heavier than his last fight