What makes this fight any different to De La Hoya vs Pacquiao?

Oscar wanted to fight Cotto, then Hatton, but settled for Manny. Freddie Roach and Larry Merchant lobbied for that fight. Oscar took it knowing he was gonna make his bread, and get a piece out of Pac's cut anyway, but your right he didn't have to take it nor did he request it. Oscar should have fought the winner of Cotto-Margarito, but was so scared to fight Margarito and elected to their opinion at that time a safer and more lucrative fight with the smaller pacquiao... People have to remember Margarito was lobbying for a fight with Oscar which was totally ignored, imagine if Tony fought Oscar at 147 that night... IMHO Oscar planned to fight Pacquiao, why would he take a tune up fight at 150??

The different is in one fight both fighters were leaving their comfort zonez. In the other fight, only one fighter was leaving their comfort zone and he wasn't even favored to win.

Something insteresting for those using the the "Pac came up 2 divisions" line. He came in at 145lbs on the night against Marquez in their second fight (after a 129lbs weigh-in). What did he enter the ring at against DLH again? The division was circumstantial but Pac was operating physically where he had been for a while (see his other in-ring weights against Morales and Diaz). On fight night, Ward and Pac were in their confort zones and their opponents weren't, well actually Dawson was but making weight affected him. DLH had a rehydration clause against him. Both performances were something to talk about, but after Pac/DLH, the cat was well and truly out of the bag when looking at fights like this. Hype couldn't work again. A vast majority of fighters weigh a division or two above what they weigh in at on fight night. There's a big difference between weighing in at 145 and weighing in at 130 or 135. It wasn't as simple as Pac just not having to cut weight anymore. And there was no rehydration clause, how long are people going to continue to lie about that?

thre is no difference - neither pacman or ward can claim those are their best wins. de la hoya and dawson may be the best names on their records but they are far from their best wins.

Its simple math A bigger man loosing 7 pounds will loose less % of his body mass compared to a smaller man loosing 7 pounds. Dawson did not look anymore drained then Ward, Ward was just soo blistering good that Dawson gave up. Its the worst kind of beating you can get

Something insteresting for those using the the "Pac came up 2 divisions" line. He came in at 145lbs on the night against Marquez in their second fight (after a 129lbs weigh-in). What did he enter the ring at against DLH again? The division was circumstantial but Pac was operating physically where he had been for a while (see his other in-ring weights against Morales and Diaz). On fight night, Ward and Pac were in their confort zones and their opponents weren't, well actually Dawson was but making weight affected him. DLH had a rehydration clause against him. Both performances were something to talk about, but after Pac/DLH, the cat was well and truly out of the bag when looking at fights like this. Hype couldn't work again.

Sweet pea is an atg yet some people would rate pac ahead of him for some retarded reason. Knowing pea would embarrass the kid something ridiculous. I mean let's be real for a second, pac made bradley look as slick as zahir raheem, and raheem wasn't close to pea level. I give pac credit. The thing is, i was a fan of pac way back. It doesn't matter that i don't remember his opponents, but i was a fan of the guy before he knocked out jorge julio. Before the tyson-holyfield fight, i was telling everyone at the fight party to watch his fight because the guy is exciting and ends fights quickly. But there comes a time and point where you have to take a stand. Pacquiao wouldn't have beat the pernell that oscar got a gift against, he wouldn't have beat the pernell that jcc got a clear gift against. Pernell would have embarrassed pac for 12 rounds. Thats fantasy matchup stuff. Kinda irrelevant imo. His performance against Oscar was a great one. Flattering, but still great.

It was just the right fighter, at the right time, under the right circumstances. People say pernell was way past his prime against oscar even though he won that fight to me, he would have easily beat pac in place of oscar that night. Again, that sounds like an excuse not to give Pac any credit. Sweet Pea is an ATG. And Pacs game that night was perfect. Pac also then took on nearly all the big names at WW. Pac has major flaws, and could be easily outboxed by a very good technician, but credit where credit is due. In the same way, Ward had a great win last night, because he put in a great performance, and adjusted so quickly.

pac went up 2 weight divisions to beat a weightdrained fighter ward stayed in his comfort zone to beat a weightdrained fighter thats the only but big difference

Dawson is in his prime and coming off the biggest win of his career. De La Hoya was shot and couldn't pull the trigger.

When you're fighting a shell of a fighter, it doesn't matter how many divisions you jumped. Pacquiao was heavier than Oscar on fight night... I disagree. What Pac did surprised almost everyone. He doesnt get enough credit for his win over Oscar. (by non-pac-tards) The fact he was able to put in great non-stop, lightening fast, power punching performances at super-feather, lightweight, and then welterweight in the space of a few months. His movement, timing and accuracy were sublime against Oscar. If he had stayed in front of Oscar, it could have maybe been a slightly different fight. Whenever Oscar tried pinning him to the ropes he slipped away, gave him angels, and countered perfectly. Yes, Oscar was drained, old and sh1t, but Pac fought a great fight. Something very few, if any fighters could have achieved.

Dawson has routinely been hurt by many fighters in the course of his career. He is not one that is noted for his chin. Andre ward was by far the better man, and he hits harder that you would like to believe. Most of his s6 opponents have been hard chinned, but even Miranda and Green looked a lot more stout than Dawson

Dawson looked like **** and was hurt by punches that wouldn't have hurt him at 175. Ward needs to rematch Dawson at 175 sometime in the future. Dawson has routinely been hurt by many fighters in the course of his career. He is not one that is noted for his chin. Andre ward was by far the better man, and he hits harder that you would like to believe.

What makes it different? De La Hoya moved down 7 lbs in contractual weight but actually cut down 12 to unnecessarily get down to 142. What also makes it different is that he dieted for so long that his stomach shrunk and he didn't gain the weight back and still came in with a fight night weight of under 147. Chad Dawson rehydrated to over 180+lbs. And both were dead at the weight. Except the oddsmakers missed it for Pac DLH only

De La Hoya moved down 7 lbs from 154 to 147, even fought at 150 inbetween to warm up for it De La Hoya didn't fight at 147 for 7 years Dawson moved down 7 lbs from 175 to 168, Dawson didn't fight at 168 for 6 years What makes it different? De La Hoya moved down 7 lbs in contractual weight but actually cut down 12 to unnecessarily get down to 142. What also makes it different is that he dieted for so long that his stomach shrunk and he didn't gain the weight back and still came in with a fight night weight of under 147. Chad Dawson rehydrated to over 180+lbs.

Chad Dawson Walking around weight " I walk around at about 185 pounds" " I could easily get down to 168 if there was opportunity for me there." -http://www.iboboxing.com/20_minutes_with_chad_dawson.html Andre Ward walking around weight said Ward, whose walking-around weight is 180 pounds. Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Ward-Dawson-fight-for-belt-at-Oracle-3849182.php#ixzz25xYw0jVx No excuses

What makes this different? Did you not follow boxing back then? Pac came up from 135 by 2 weight divisions while oscar came down 1 It was fair, had pac been a 147 fighter at the time and the fight took place at 147 with Oscar coming down, then it would have been unfair Oscar fought a lightweight at 147 and lost, it was fair. It was not :Pacs fault, that oscar ****ed him up his training camp

So you think that the weight draining doesn't affect his punch resistance? Could have... Personally, I think that it didn't have an abnormal effect on Chad though. Chad has a solid defense so it isn't exposed to often, but he does not react well to getting hit clean (look at his reactions the few times he got hit against Pascal and those were single shots). Ward landed his left hooks clean while on his front foot moving forward and Chad getting low (giving Ward added leverage) did not see them coming... A great scenario for a KD or someone getting hurt. Dawson's never been hit as constantly and consistently in his entire career. Ward was landing 2-3 shots at times and that last KD was an accumulation of 6-7 ****s in a row that made him take a knee. Ward's accuracy was just terrrible for him.

Do you follow boxing bro ? Difference is THE REHYDRATION CLAUSE AKA mannys wepon of mass destruction. de la hoya fought manny at 145 and was only allowed to rehydrate an entire 2 pounds to 147. dawson at least was able to rehydrate to 185 which was like 17 pounds. Overall i would say thats a big difference, manny had a rehydration clause and ward didnt Source? Something credible please

Dawson actually looked good physically tonight... He displayed his usual speed on offense and defense and was the physically stronger fighter (look at the clinches... Ward's back usually ends up closer to the ropes); the only aspect that could be attributed to the weight is his low output, but I'm not convinced that that played more of a part than Ward's tactics (his angles and movement) De La Hoya against Pacquiao looked like sh1t; just a slow, malnourished zombie version of De La Hoya. Disturbing to see how people convince themselves that they saw something that didn't actually happen. Chad's weight didn't effect his performance Ward did. Dawson would've beaten a host of top Super Middleweights at 168 tonight. Ward is just too smart, skilled, and mentally strong; after he found that he got the knockdown and knew he could land the left hook clean, it was Enough of a confidence boost (for the already mentally stronger Ward) to control the range, pace, and dominate the rest of the fight. So you think that the weight draining doesn't affect his punch resistance?