1. Pac Man
2. JMM
3. Pavlik
4. Cotto
5. Vasquez
6. Wright
7. Rafa Marquez
8. Guzman
9. Hopkins
10. Nonito Doniare
So Calz doesn't go one there even tho he beat Hops.
I thinks you'll find that's called listing your favourite fighters, not a p4p top 10!
I honestly think he'd destroy Kessler, they are in totally different categories.
NOBODY would destroy Kessler. He can be beat by faster, dynamic, high work-rate boxers as we saw with Calz (and it has to be said 50,000 Calz fans bearing down on him - me included), but no way does anyone destroy Kessler he's just one of those guys that would tough it out with anybody and because he is a better boxer than Pavlik....faster, better jab, arguably power is 50/50, although I'd like to see Pav knock out a true SMW first before I agree on that, I don't see any way he wins this fight.
I was just thinking if jermaine knocks out jeff lacy and then fights and scores a ud on kessler does that make his career better other than holding a crappy belt for all those years considering he beat a younger hopkins twice. or should he also have to beat manfredo. to add to that what if all that happens and calzaghe fights and loses to pavlik. I know its a lot of what ifs but its all realistic.
Jeff Lacy is a very different boxer now after the demolition job Calzaghe did on him, damaged goods. Still quite impressive if JT knocks him out though, I cant see it myself mind.
No way on gods green Earth does JT UD Kessler.
I cant believe you'd compare JT's - (HBO goldenboy, hype job found out) career to Calzaghes.
Did you check the presser video out, BHop really changed his tune. Maybe it's because Kelly is actually respectable unlike slappy.
Or maybe it cus he remembers what happened last time he was shoutin' his mouth off, Calzaghe 1 - Bernard 0.
Respectable!?!!?! Ha, what do you know about it, dissing an 11 year running world champion considered by many as P4P#2. Look, Kelly Pavlik is a great boxer but even Pavlik would tell you if you asked him, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Calzaghe....not yet! Get real you Pavlik hugging freak!!!
Pavlik can KO Hopkins, Calzaghe can never KO Hopkins
and.....
Not sure if you realise but there are other aspects to boxing than knockout power. For instance I dont think Pavlik could change tactics half way through a tight fight he is losing and have the heart to come out on the other side as a winner. He's not been tested like that yet, so we will have to wait and see.
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He fought like ameteur, and was exposed. The problem was that people thought he was better than what he was, but he was entertaining
Roy Jones fought like an amatuer at some parts of his career left himself completely exposed with his antics, certainly not textbook by any stretch.
I'm not comparing Naz to Roy Jones just saying, unorthadox styles do not mean he doesn't warrant consideration as a great fighter.
At his best Naz kept people on the back foot by being crazy and jumping around the ring because they were always fearful of that uppercut and his power in general, for me that is just as much as a style as working behind your jab. MAB beat him because he didnt fall for it, and he was no doubt a better more accomplished fighter than Naz.
That doesn't mean Naz was a joke though he beat some great fighters, and beat them well.
The only thing we as boxing fans can worry about is another manfreddo situation. Where calzaghe was throwing out fast volumising punches which were doing no damage and missing at a rate of 90 %. Creating the effect that manfreddo was seriously hurting when infact he was completely fine .
I have my own opinion, and just becasue im from the uk doesnt mean im going to big every uk boxer up like the rets of you. I wont deny calzaghe is good, but hes not a p4p great and jones can definatley take him out. The only prospect right now from the uk is david haey who thanks to his ever growing head, is now doing stupid things like calling out heavyweight champions
" mind the spelling i cant be fucked checking it "
As for the Manfedo comment, this is BOXING not lets-see-how-long-i-can-be-a-standing-punchbag-for! If your being hit you need to move or hit back, if they wern't hurting him why didnt he punch back, surely he'd take a few SLAPS to the face just put the hurt on an off balance Calzaghe as he wings away but he didnt he stood there....thus the fight was stopped.
There is no way the Roy Jones of today would knock out Calzaghe he barely put a dent in Tito. Calzaghe has been in with fresher hard hitters than the current RJJ. I thinks it's Roy that will really notice the step up in opposition not the other way around!
roy is SHOT! That roy is old, and that roy will never be the same.:puppy_dog We should all move on and find another boxer that will make us dream again. And i suggest a boxer named paulie malignaggi. Sure hes gay looking and hits like a girl, but at the moment its the only name that popped into my head.
RIP PRIME ROY JONES JR.
:ugh: Yeah I'm sure his career will pan out like RJJ.
Paulie Mallinagi is a fake waiting to be found out.
I think everyone who watches boxing is still a tyson fanboy on same level. Or atleast they have a sneaking suspicion he could work his magic on almost anyone in the ring when fully in prime.
I dont, Holyfield and Lewis schooled his ass and Danny Williams KO'd him. Prime or not prime the DW shit is just embarrasing. He worked his magic on old men and a bunch of bums, then lost to a bum, then went to prison, then lost to a great, then got KO'd by a bum! I do not see the attraction.
Beat best around him in the Division, at times had a superb boxing style great to watch, revenged his losses. I mean I dont quite know the criteria for your 'homer's' but for me he up there with maybe the top 10 HW's. And there have been a lot of HW's!
He was the best in the late90's early 00's but never faced the best when they were in there primes (not his fault). To be honest though i wouldnt say he was always that great to watch.
Who Tyson? Give me a break. Tyson was lucky he was in prison during the rise of Lewis, it gives his fans a 'what if he fought him in 89-91' dream I suppose.
He fought Holyfield twice when he was in his prime and beat him comfortably both times, although we all know what happened the first time.
I agree he hasn't got boxing legends on his list but he dominated a fairly competitive HW era, a lot more competitive than the early Tyson era and the guys he fought.
Finished his autobiography a while back, when reading that you see what a down to earth guy he is, all the trouble he's had with injuries and still boxed through it on those more sedate nights against, Thornberry and Ashira etc.
A true British world champion, up there with the best we've ever had at ANY sport and I look forward to seeing him against B-hop.
In their prime they would have both beaten him convicingly.
Convincingly I dont think so! Eubank was 28/29 when fought Collins, that should have been his prime, if your saying his prime was 1990-1993 then again I think you may not have seen some of the drab performances he put in between the two Benn fights. If anything I'd say Eubank was in the right place at the right time. Benn was a banger not a technically good fighter, Collins was and a warrior to boot, I'd have him over either of them.
I still think Collins was a twat though for saying he couldn't get up for the Calz fight and retiring, excuses, excuses, he'd seen Calz on the way up and wanted none of it.
Both fights were pretty shit. But as a spectacle DLH and Mayweather was better. Roy Jones is full of it, where was the knock-out in fo' as he so elegantly put it. In one interview he said there would be something wrong with him if he couldn't knock Tito out, then after the fight he's all smiles and callin' out Calzaghe, I'm not so sure he deserves the shot!
I read in b-talk.com that Hopkins is playing the waiting game and its in Joe's court to sign.. and since Roy is willing to fight Joe in his backyard (thats if he KOs Tito), which option u think Joe will take?...and would u highly criticize him if he takes Jones instead of Hopkins?...cuz I mean, he don't have to leave his country and all... what u guys think
I dont that will happen, not after all the talk from Calz, he cant back down now, all the talk of wantin world titles at 2 different weights - if he does he loses mucho respect with me! :nonono:
'May' have had the edge in speed, come on lets be sensible Roy was way faster. And what you call 'fancy shit' most fight fans would call pure boxing skill. How can taking out Montell Griffin and Glenn Kelly with lead left uppercuts and stopping Virgil Hill with one body shot make him seem better than he really was?
Look he may well be faster but what I'm saying is Calz is plenty fast enough, you make it sound like he's down there with Lacy!!
Pure boxing skill, I dont think so! Sugar Ray Robinson would be turning in his grave, he's an eccentric almost totally non-textbook boxer, it's pure athleticism and as you say SPEED and of course power but not boxing skill, where's the jab, where's the stick and move! Of course non of that matters when you are as natural as RJJ was. Like I say awesome fighter I'm not tryin to dispute that but....
Yes Glenn Kelly, Montell Griffin, and Virgil Hill, his highlight reel I've seen youtube too! But should also look up Johnson and Tarver, your man is NOT superman.
Maybe. whatever. I guess people think that if they vote for SMW it becomes reality.
What are you on?? SMW is very strong, I dont see the joke! I think behind WW and SFW. Kessler, Bute, Froch, Andrade, Inkin, Mundine, even without Calz thats a stong line-up!
He certainly is'nt faster and he certainly looked like he'd done 12 rounds v Bika.
joe has imo never done anything exceptional like that, he may have, thats why im asking
Certainly!! Thats some statement, Roy Jones in his heyday was fast but there both so fast it really doesn't make a difference who is that tad bit faster but I would say its hard to judge, not a CERTAINTY.
Bika was a dirty fucker who used every thing he could to stop Calz boxing him to death, the cut was due to a foul as far as I can remember
Well getting knocked down by Mitchell, then getting back up to floor the guy in the very same round, then putting in about 20/30 unanswered shots to make the ref stop it, that takes some doing
Look Roy Jones was simply awesome there is no doubt, he was a flashier boxer than Calz at times, some of his knock downs are glorious to watch but that can also make a fighter seem better than he really was.
I can tell you somethin if he put his hands behind his back against Calz or tried any of that fancy shit he would have been at the sharp end of "as Calz puts it, a bah, bah, bah, bah and on his back". It would have been a great fight and I do think Jones may have had the edge back in the day and I can admit that even as a big Calz fan, but I think they can both share the same era as awesome SMW/LH boxers.
curious... how many of those guys did cal-z fight?
Yeah cause I'm sure they all wanna fight him after Kessler, there knocking down his door!!! Kessler was his number one because of the belts, he's 35 what's he gonna do, fight all the way down to 4th and 5th in the rankings! Get real. They cant wait for him to vacate and fuck off.
Your tellin me he's not proved what he needs to a SMW!?! He's now really struggling to make 168. Why not move up to LH and face the best LH in the world (apparently)!?!
I just want it to happen so Cal can go after a real contender like Dawson.
Word. I fear that Dawson is still too green for Calz to want to take it though, hope its either that or winner between Pavlik/Taylor NOT Roy-my goatee is shit-Jones whatever happens on Sat.
Hopkins is gonna beat the shit out of the Brit.
Hopkins aint beat shit out of anyone in years! He sure aint gonna get through to Calzaghe!
I hope B-hop goes in there for a tear up, but I know he wont. Calz will completley outwork him.
Valuev came so close to breaking Rocky Marciano's unbeaten record for fuck sake..
Can that be really justified??
Boxing is not just about the Sugar Ray's out there. Marciano was not much short of a brute in his day (49-0 ) similar to Valuev, knocking out almost everyone he fought. I dont see your point.
height means also a lot more weight...don't forget that...
its not a level playing field.
height, reach, and weight disadvantage.
Then the answer is the short fat guys, need to trim some meat of the bone and go down to a lower divison, not compromise the HW division by putting height restrictions in! Never heard anything like it.
Because he belong in the sport of Slapping, not Boxing. He's the greatest P4P slapper in his sport.
Funny, many boxing greats consider him one of the best, you know more than Sugar Ray Leonard!?!
The guy is a FIGHTER. An excellent FIGHTER. He FIGHTS in all of his fights.
But he's not a particularly good boxer. In fact, i've rarely seen him box an opponent at the elite level.
I'm not quite sure the distinction is as Black and White as you make it but if you had Roberto Duran at one end of the spectrum and Sugary Ray Robinson at the other I think you'd find Joe would slot in a lot closer to Robinson.
He may not box textbook style, but neither do people like Roy Jones or Eubank. Are they just FIGHTERS?