I just saw the Wlad /sultan weigh in, as well as Wlad training with manny.
The guy is damn HUGE!
I never thought he would be this big...
and as far as im concerned,it is just way too big for a fighter to be fighting with other heavyweights!
it puts other smaller HW's at a huge disadvantage..
The thing is , the bigger you are, the less skill you can afford to have.valuev -being a classic example.
Size these days, really compensates for your lack of skill.
Not saying he Wlad is not skillful, but its pathetic to see a giant like him fighting much smaller fighters.
I dont give any fighter who is that big, credit for beating up on much smaller guys.
It 's a damn circus.
the guy is absolutely massive.
i give him absolutely no credit for beating other fighters..
wlad, vitali, lewis, michael grant, tony tucker,tyrell biggs,kevin mcbride,mitch green,these guys are way too big...mcbride im sure would have had trouble if he was the same size as Tyson.
I think there should be a height limit, of maybe 6'3, 6'4 max.
I dont see what's so skillful about a huge guy with a longer reach, looking down on somebody else and beating him up..
I just saw the Wlad /sultan weigh in, as well as Wlad training with manny.
The guy is damn HUGE!
I never thought he would be this big...
and as far as im concerned,it is just way too big for a fighter to be fighting with other heavyweights!
it puts other smaller HW's at a huge disadvantage..
The thing is , the bigger you are, the less skill you can afford to have.valuev -being a classic example.
Size these days, really compensates for your lack of skill.
Not saying he Wlad is not skillful, but its pathetic to see a giant like him fighting much smaller fighters.
I dont give any fighter who is that big, credit for beating up on much smaller guys.
It 's a damn circus.
the guy is absolutely massive.
i give him absolutely no credit for beating other fighters..
wlad, vitali, lewis, michael grant, tony tucker,tyrell biggs,kevin mcbride,mitch green,these guys are way too big...mcbride im sure would have had trouble if he was the same size as Tyson.
I think there should be a height limit, of maybe 6'3, 6'4 max.
I dont see what's so skillful about a huge guy with a longer reach, looking down on somebody else and beating him up..
So you don't think Lennox Lewis should have been allowed to box then?
BTW, Ibragimov is a very small heavyweight, he's listed at 6'2", but is closer to 6'.
I guess we need a height restriction in Basketball too.. It's Totally unfair for those 6'7'' midgets to have to play against those 7'3'' Giants
I guess The defensive Linemen in Football.. shouldn't exceed 230 Lbs either considering the average QB is 210lbs.. I mean in the spirit of fairness and all..
How many boxers do you think this new division would have? 40-50 at most. There simply arent enough of these guys to make a division worth while. And as pointed out several times already, size doesnt win fights.
I just saw the Wlad /sultan weigh in, as well as Wlad training with manny.
The guy is damn HUGE!
I never thought he would be this big...
and as far as im concerned,it is just way too big for a fighter to be fighting with other heavyweights!
it puts other smaller HW's at a huge disadvantage..
The thing is , the bigger you are, the less skill you can afford to have.valuev -being a classic example.
Size these days, really compensates for your lack of skill.
Not saying he Wlad is not skillful, but its pathetic to see a giant like him fighting much smaller fighters.
I dont give any fighter who is that big, credit for beating up on much smaller guys.
It 's a damn circus.
the guy is absolutely massive.
i give him absolutely no credit for beating other fighters..
wlad, vitali, lewis, michael grant, tony tucker,tyrell biggs,kevin mcbride,mitch green,these guys are way too big...mcbride im sure would have had trouble if he was the same size as Tyson.
I think there should be a height limit, of maybe 6'3, 6'4 max.
I dont see what's so skillful about a huge guy with a longer reach, looking down on somebody else and beating him up..
The height is not the problem, the problem is the added weight that comes with it without making you obese. Maybe there should be a super-heavyweight division. The shows are awfully bad and even though there an unification in the horizon it won't keep me up late because i am tired of left jab KOs.
I just saw the Wlad /sultan weigh in, as well as Wlad training with manny.
The guy is damn HUGE!
I never thought he would be this big...
and as far as im concerned,it is just way too big for a fighter to be fighting with other heavyweights!
it puts other smaller HW's at a huge disadvantage..
The thing is , the bigger you are, the less skill you can afford to have.valuev -being a classic example.
Size these days, really compensates for your lack of skill.
Not saying he Wlad is not skillful, but its pathetic to see a giant like him fighting much smaller fighters.
I dont give any fighter who is that big, credit for beating up on much smaller guys.
It 's a damn circus.
the guy is absolutely massive.
i give him absolutely no credit for beating other fighters..
wlad, vitali, lewis, michael grant, tony tucker,tyrell biggs,kevin mcbride,mitch green,these guys are way too big...mcbride im sure would have had trouble if he was the same size as Tyson.
I think there should be a height limit, of maybe 6'3, 6'4 max.
I dont see what's so skillful about a huge guy with a longer reach, looking down on somebody else and beating him up..
this isnt very smart
I should have the thread with heavyweight weight limit instead i think, instead of height limit.
lol yeh i think that would be much more accurate and you wouldnt get anywhere near as much stick, aww well whats done is done.
you cant say that really. wlads genetics means he is incredibly tall, strong and muscly (although im sure he works very hard in the gym to maintain the latter). If your going to make a dumb statement like that you might aswell say there should be restrictions on speed (mayweathers genetic make up means he is incredibly fast) and power (take Roberto Duran, almost superhuman strength).
I should have the thread with heavyweight weight limit instead i think, instead of height limit.
Yes that would be a bit more realistic. A new super-heavyweight division. But even know the division is verry weak, if they make a new division it would be even weaker and i dont like the idea. I think they should raise the cruiserweightlimit to 220 pounds.
but also think, out of many big HWs these days, how many are really that good...
first to mind of the big HWs:
Shannon Briggs
Jameel McCline
Vitali K
Wladimir K
N Valuev
Tye Fields
Andrew Golata
Michael Grant
How many of them actually really flourished?
Shannon Briggs - tires out and won't be a factor
Jameel McCline - stepping stone, loses to Ruiz and small Byrd and Brock
Vitali K - keeps getting injured, but is skilled and tough
Wladimir K - is around because he IS skilled and not 270lb of bulk
N Valuev - is just freakishly huge, but has shown some skill
Tye Fields - fluff "workmen like" puncher who will be stopped soon
Andrew Golata - you know the rest
Michael Grant - you know the rest
So being big hasn't exactly been a HW's best friend in all cases...Wlad has been on stop because of his still...nor does he fight like a big lumbering giant...he even weighed in 238 for his next fight...he may put on weight by fight time tomorrow...but he didn't weigh in at liker 260 due to a lack of training and just "getting by" on his size alone...
being big doesn't help Brigg's chin, doesn't help McCline's lack of killer instinct and conditioning, doesn't prevent Vitli from getting injured, doesn't make Tye Fields a dangerous monster, doesn't help Golata be mentally stable and doesn't give Grant a chin...
Just like Paul Williams...people said William's is too big and should be fighting at MW or SMW...that he would beat ANY WW based on his height and reach alone...well he doesn't fight or deliver punches the way you'd expect a big guy like him to do..therefor a smaller fighter like Quintana can take advantage of that
I think in a lot of cases, size is just an accent to your skill or lack of
Yea, probably makes more sense... Anyways... Here's a link to a thread a bit ago on the topic:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160871
I know awhile back there was a thread about a "super heavyweight division". I could actually see that. Say 240+. I think that's more realistic than a height limit.
yea well, if that's another option, im all for it..
but im sick of seeing big men vs little men a lot of the time.
gone are the days of the 70's and 80's..when heavyweights were 6'3 and 6'4 at most.
we've seen big guys fall to smaller guys in many weight classes including heavyweights...
I understand your point, but Wlad just so happens to be skillfull
I know awhile back there was a thread about a "super heavyweight division". I could actually see that. Say 240+. I think that's more realistic than a height limit.
So, you think Valuev would beat Klitschko?
now that fight its hard to go against wlad.
the guy is pretty huge himself, and he has such a long reach, he would easily out box, if not ko valuev.too quick, but mostly, he has the size to compete with valuev.
that's the most pathetic thing ive read.
you have to be really stupid to think his size had nothing do to with his wins!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, Valuev has beaten this guys with his size, cause that all what he has. But that only works against this poor opponents, not against good heavyweights like Chagaev. Size allone dont make a good heavyweight. And because of his size and weight hes so slow and limited and can be outboxed by smaller faster fighters if they have the right gameplan. So his zize is also an disadvantage. That should be clearly to see if you watch his fights. Valuev showed improvements in his last fight against Likaovith but hes still far from unbeatable.
The Mayweathers would tell you the same about this size thing.
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