Theres been alot of trash talking between Jones Jr and Calzaghe fans lately and i just wanted to try to clear a few things up. I've only been really impressed with JC once (v Lacy) and i've certainly never been laft in awe after any of his fights, apart from a great workrate i dont think he does anything better than Jones Jr (peaks) lets keep things civil!!
I know but your saying its a given that Jones was a regular user because he failed once
Bottom Line is I think They are both great boxers, And I have used the "roids" In my favour to put Calzaghe above Jones!
lets start with mayweather....what about genaro hernandez, jesus chaves, jc castillo, gatti???? are they not names?
I think it's fairly obvious I only added 5 for each fighter. You could say Veit,Brewer,Mitchel etc are names too.
He's had a lot more than "3" names during his reign in order these were all quality opposition. Eubank, (Prime) Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit, McIntyre, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika, Manfredo and Kessler.
Damn near all of them suck except for Kessler and Lacy.
Apart from being the champion for over 10 years plus never being beaten!!!!! Mmmmmm When Joe fights and it dont matter who it is, He stands right infront of ya..I cant remember any fighter that he has fought and beaten behind the Jab what I mean by that is just pot shotting through a fight..In every single fight the guy has fought he is there to take you out period or if he cant he will give it everything hes got..He does the job and the goes home..He can defs take a punch aswell. "Thats called a natrual boxer" NOW TO COMPARE WITH JONES HE WAS SHIT HOT ASWELL!! BUT THERE WAS NOTHING NATRUAL ABOUT HIM, ROIDS UP TO THE EYEBALLS,Sorry if anyone is offended. Just M.O
No he only took it before the hall fight and it was not straight roids. It was a roid like substance(that was banned by the IBF) found in something called Ripped Fuel, it's still sold at my local GNC today.
He's had a lot more than "3" names during his reign in order these were all quality opposition. Eubank, (Prime) Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit, McIntyre, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika, Manfredo and Kessler.
Veit, McIntyre, Manfredo quality opposition? Are you quite sure?
These days it is like that though. Floyd doesn't have many names, neither did Jones. It's just the way it is.
Presuming he beats Hopkins it would be like this.
Calzaghe
Hopkins
Eubank
Kessler
Lacy
Reid
Doesn't look bad at all.
Mayweather
De La Hoya
Coralles
Hatton
Judah
Baldomir
Jones
Hopkins
Toney
Ruiz
McCallum
Hill
lets start with mayweather....what about genaro hernandez, jesus chaves, jc castillo, gatti???? are they not names?
Hopkins is just that, a name, have you seen the taylor fights? i agree dawson could turn out to be another lacy, but if you can come up with 3 names in over 10 years as champ.....thats quite sad
He's had a lot more than "3" names during his reign in order these were all quality opposition. Eubank, (Prime) Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit, McIntyre, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika, Manfredo and Kessler.
Wins and never looks like he has even just done 12 rounds.
He has excellent Speed , hits from all angles and fights the full 3 minutes every round for 12 rounds.
He can go toe to toe or he can outbox his opponents.
He may not excite some fans but the problem is with his hands there.
He has had to adapt to hit lighter.
Yet he still wobbles guy's.
Too may people put emphasis on the Manfredo fight which never should have happened just like RJJ v Tito.
Manfredo was just a stepping stone to the next Target and gain some exposure in the USA.
He has beaten the best available at 168 so who can he go after next?
What could he do to make you think he is any good?
If he Knocked Wlad out you still wouldn't be happy.Great post...could'nt have put it better...
These days it is like that though. Floyd doesn't have many names, neither did Jones. It's just the way it is.
Presuming he beats Hopkins it would be like this.
Calzaghe
Hopkins
Eubank
Kessler
Lacy
Reid
Doesn't look bad at all.
Mayweather
De La Hoya
Coralles
Hatton
Judah
Baldomir
Jones
Hopkins
Toney
Ruiz
McCallum
Hill
Yes. People will look back and Joe's career and they remember names like Chris Eubank. Bernard Hopkins is a big name, Chad Dawson is a Champion, he could be another Lacy.
Hopkins is just that, a name, have you seen the taylor fights? i agree dawson could turn out to be another lacy, but if you can come up with 3 names in over 10 years as champ.....thats quite sad
Yes. People will look back and Joe's career and they remember names like Chris Eubank. Bernard Hopkins is a big name, Chad Dawson is a Champion, he could be another Lacy.
Hopkins brings money sure but do you really think beating a 43 year old whos been done twice by Taylor is going to do anything for Calzaghes legacy?
Yes, both fights with Taylor could have gone either way, plus Hopkins has beat Tarver and Winky since and is ranked ahead of Calzaghe in Rings' P4P ranking.
He took on Kessler, He doesn't need to fight a young Dawson now he's already taken on a young Champion in Kessler. Now he needs the big money fights, the legacy fights. He needs names, he needs Nard.
Hopkins brings money sure but do you really think beating a 43 year old whos been done twice by Taylor is going to do anything for Calzaghes legacy?
Again check that record, and again, it took JC 10 years to do what David Haye did in 21 fights, why, 1)promoter 2)he went to the other guys back yard
Politics. Ottke tied the division up for many years and had ZERO intentions of fighting Joe. We all know this is an easy win for Joe, unless Ottke got a ridiculous decision which he has on several occasions.
Calzaghe has cleaned out the SMW division over the last decade and beat all of his mandatories, plus young champions in Lacy and Kessler who over half the people here picked both to beat Joe.
Calzaghe has proved all he needed to and since he's 36 and fighting only two more times it needs to be against contemporaries like Hopkins and/or the Tito/Jones winner.
he's special until proven otherwise.
jones jnr didnt wanna come to the uk when he was on top of the world.
hopkins pulled out of the fight years back.
it's a shame that the great boxers of today fear losing so much. we would have had fights like benn, eubank, watson, toney, jones jnr, hopkins, nunn and mcclelan vs each other.
Theres been alot of trash talking between Jones Jr and Calzaghe fans lately and i just wanted to try to clear a few things up.
Really?
That's unfortunate. Both are great fighters. Both have great speed. I'd say right now Calzaghe has the advantages with stamina, chin, and youth in general. Calzaghe was very impressive vs Kessler. I thought he would win less convincingly if at all.
Give credit where credit is due. Both Roy and Joe was great fighters. Too bad they couldn't meet prime for prime.
He took on Kessler, He doesn't need to fight a young Dawson now he's already taken on a young Champion in Kessler. Now he needs the big money fights, the legacy fights. He needs names, he needs Nard.