LMFAO... whoever edited in the grape stomp lady in that video is a genius. Legit LOLs.
Anyways, I know it's seemingly absurd and retarded to think this was a dive, but both oscar and bernard's reactions make it hard to believe otherwise.
Of course the numbers were low, look who was fighting. Wait to see what Thruman/Porter do and Wilder/Arreola before any panic sets in
What happened to Haymon bettering the sport and making it more competitive all around? Was the Fonfara card supposed to be indicative of that?
Really?
Explain how.
PBC is not the one putting average fights on PPV because they can't scrape up the money to air the fights.
You're too cowardly to say why you really want PBC to fail.
You're too cowardly to say it also, so I'll say it for you. This whole argument about PBC falls into three categories:
1) People who hate what PBC represents because it's run by a black businessman, and consequently will trash it no matter what.
2) People who love what PBC represents because it's run by a black businessman, and consequently will support it no matter what. (That's you)
3) People who just want to see good, competitive fights on a consistent schedule that are well promoted and don't give a tinkers fart about whether the promotional entity is black, white, purple or mauve. (That's me and many others on here)
The people that comprise options 1 and 2 are everything that's wrong with boxing today. You will gladly support a racially motivated agenda instead of what's actually good for the sport.
You are insinuating that PBC only gets hate because of race issues. For most of us, it has nothing to do with that. Maybe you're too much of a fairweather fan to remember that guys like Arum would get the same **** for not making competitive fights between the guys in his stable when Top Rank had more clout (hell he's still getting it today with Crawford/Pac and rightly so). The difference is, Arum doesn't have 90 percent of the top guys right now, Haymon does. He's also the one with the most ability to effect positive change in a sport that badly needs it. If he really wanted to do so, we would have seen many, many more competitive matchups over the past year.
But it's OK. Keep defending these poor business decisions. Meanwhile, the UFC 205 has just broken the existing MSG gate record and no one knows/cares that boxing's biggest fight for an arguable P4P top spot is taking place in November.
Last one out, turn out the lights.
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Um no.
1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Bernard Hopkins
Roy is probably my favorite of all time, but he can't be ranked higher than the other two, IMO. His lack of longevity at the top level in comparison to the other two needs to be accounted for.
In his prime years, though? Head-to-head I have him beating anyone.
stupid products deserve to go extinct. boxing had a good run but guys like floyd sucked the life out of it and took advantage of how unregulated it was.
..and encouraged other fighters to follow the same model. Hey, you made a boatload of cash and maximized profit while minimizing risk. Good for you, but guess what? The general buying public doesn't give a damn about smart business decisions. They want to see good, competitive fights of the best vs. the best.
Boxing should have imploded a long time ago by comparison to the UFC. I mean, look at the UFC 205 card, hard to imagine at least of a couple of those won't be highly entertaining.
Bisping definitely isn't a bigger star than Canelo.
Why this card did better than Canelo v Smith:
1) The UFC brand - The UFC will always get at least 150-200k buys regardless of how crap the PPV is (obviously can't be a fight night calibre) because of their brand value.
2) Promotion - The UFC released an excellent mini-documentary of Bispings career on YouTube (more exposure than regular HBO/Showtime). They also used the hype created by 205 to also promote this PPV. They engage with their fans superbly and everyone knew it'd be a good fight if you look at it from a style perspective. They also had history.
3) Canelo was in a fight no one really gave a **** about. Bisping is way more well-known than Liam Smith is around the world and definitely in the UK. People want to see Canelo v GGG, and due to the MayPac fiasco, it has really left a sour taste in peoples mouths when it comes to delaying matchups.
Canelo doesn't speak English and Goldenboy didn't really promote the fight well at all it felt like. At least online that is. They must have done well around the states, as it did well attendance wise.
Boxing is being run like it's 1980 and the UFC is run like it's 2016.
How about the fact it was, like most boxing cards these days, a total mismatch. Look, boxing has made its own greedy bed and has to lie in it. Meanwhile the UFC is putting on killer cards with intriguing, competitve, fight-friendly matches. UFC 205 will be the first card ever in New York at MSG and it's completely stacked.
Boxing needs a real shakeup and reset in order to become viable again. It's a goddamn mess.
UFC hypes fighters like WWE. I was at the press conference for McGregor-Diaz 1 in March. Every fight had a quick video segment that promoted each fighter as the "best" at doing a particular thing. They called every fighter "the best grappler" or "one of the best strikers" in the world. They hyped EVERYBODY.
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And it works because of all the different styles. You have Jujitsu, boxing, judo, karate, wrestling, Muay Thai, etc. Usually the top guys excel in one or two of those styles, so it's interesting to see different types of styles mesh. For example, in UFC 205, Wonderboy Thompson is highly decorated Kickboxer with a karate style, going up against Tyron Woodley, who is more of a wrestler/power puncher.
He threw 300 punches the entire fight. 300. 300. Think about that.
Hard to throw punches when your hands are preoccupied ....
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Decent song, some good lyrics in there. Nice way to metaphor Tavoris Cloud and Hopkins beating him. Clever. Could do with some refinement in the production department but then again I'm listening through sh*t headphones so its probably a problem on my side.
No you're right, his usually kind of "lo-fi" as far as his recordings go. A lot of his song seem pretty childish and simple on the surface but have some heavier **** going on under the surface. Glad you enjoyed it.
One that hasn't been mentioned is Joan Guzman vs Ali Funeka I
Guzman was one of my favourite fighters but he got well beaten that night and the judges scored it a Majority Draw. Funeka used his height and reach to perfection against a far more skilful fighter.
This is a good pick. Along with Lara/Williams it was it was the first one that popped into my head.
One thing I've noticed is the perception from a lot of boxing fans that UFC fighters and execs don't have any respect for the sweet science, when in reality plenty of them follow boxing to a healthy extent. I started listening to Joe Rogan's podcasts lately and I think a lot of people would be shocked just how much of a boxing aficionado he is. I was listening to one the other day where he had some other guys on and they were discussing the GGG/Andre Ward/Kovalev situation.
I don't see why fans on either side of the fence have to be so antagonistic towards one another. Honestly there are plenty of UFC matches that don't go to the ground at all, and are pure striking. The fight this Sunday (for free on Fox I might add) between Dillashaw and Cruz will be between two guys that are primarily strikers. Their skills may not be Pernell Whittaker-esque, but they both try their best to incorporate dynamic footwork, angles and movement into their games.
I'd recommend that fight to a boxing fan who wants to see some decent stand-up in MMA.
What are the cards coming up after garcia/peterson and quillin/lee? I honestly don't even know what the rest of their year looks like.
Great matchmaking is Matthysse/Provodnikov
I'm not a huge fan of Floyd, and usually root against him, but I remember having a strong dislike of Angel Manfredy, and when Floyd was pummelling him against the ropes, I remember being like:
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You ever see floyd's legs? They're twizzlers and he had plenty of power. He's speaking from his own perspective of how power is generated. For him the legs weren't as involved as much as other fighters.
I've read that Stevenson isn't very popular in Québec / Montréal because of his criminal record. He still has more fans than Kovalev though.
Boxing is so niche in Canada right now that neither guy is really known. I would say Lemieux is the only guy even remotely on the radar.
I don't think HBO really wants Ward back. These haven't been the only opponents they've declined.
They either want him against a big name or not at all.
This is my thought as well. Ward brings no drawing power and low entertainment value at a high price point. I think HBO would be just as happy at this point to see Ward ride off into the sunset.
Pretty much spot on, unbiased, Pacquiao is an HBO fighter yet everyone is picking Floyd to win, except Big George.
Cotto didn't pick Mayweather, he said it would come down to mindset of being fearless on the night of the fight. How that equates to "Floyd Mayweather" for you is pretty telling about your objectivity.
Mayweather is the better skilled boxer.
But at the elite level, the adage that "styles makes fights" becomes more significant.
Floyd has had problems with:
- southpaw (Corley, Judah)
- fast (Judah)
- awkward (maidana)
- active (maidana, Castillo)
- variety of punching ( Castillo)
- cutting off ring (cotto)
- counter punching (Judah)
- combos (maidana)
- body punching (Castillo)
Manny has all of the above except:
- great jab (Oscar)
I agree with most the above except cutting off the ring. Manny is not good at doing it, Cotto and Mosley showed that in their fights with him. If they can turn Manny with regularity, I think Floyd can even moreso.