PBC on Spike ratings: 869,000 viewers 0.3 rating 18-49

It was tired for bellators 2nd best rated show. That's not a failure by any means. but bellator has like 1/3 the budget for purses

i saw a pretty good amount of ads, tv and youtube.. some said on radio too Maybe you did. I didnt.. my girl didnt, my casual friend who likes boxing didnt. I'm not saying they didn't advertise at all, but there's an evident lack of an advertisement push. Company's are skeptical to drop money on something that might not profit anyway... but it definitely won't if you don't try

I sincerely doubt that. There is a little thing called a contract, which addresses the specifics of what will be aired and when. There is no way that execs would sign away the rights to control what gets shown on their networks. Wow... not one gets the point of exaggeration to get a point across? Yes, Haymon has a contract to put on boxing. But there is nothing in that contract that can state how competitive the fights have to be. It makes no difference to NBC at all if the ratings shoot sky high or get flushed down the toilet, they get paid the same amount either way. They have no say in match making or the structure of the show. They are selling a time slot for a boxing show. That's all.

Spike have also said the fight has been viewed an additional 1.5 million times on their facebook and twitter.

hahahahahahahahahaha what a joke. those are some mediocre numbers. and it will only go down from there. They're pretty good numbers. We're talking about some pretty obscure names here, not exactly Cotto, GGG or Canelo. Berto vs Lopez wouldn't even crack a million on HBO. Clearly he is using Spike as a platform for the less than A-level match ups. They managed to crack a million, something Bellator wasn't able to do with their first show. Berto vs Lopez is only a notch above a good FNF on ESPN2.

The networks have no say in what Haymon puts on his various PBC shows. He has purchased the time slot and can put on 12 year old school girls playing field hockey if he feels like it. He can even create his own weight divisions apart from what is currently the standard in boxing today. There is no one and nothing standing in his way from doing whatever he wishes to do.As for watching his programming, well I might consider doing so if he starts showing respect for the current champions that exist and stops giving us crap like two champions fighting a 10 round fight at a catch weight with no titles at stake. I sincerely doubt that. There is a little thing called a contract, which addresses the specifics of what will be aired and when. There is no way that execs would sign away the rights to control what gets shown on their networks.

The networks have no say in what Haymon puts on his various PBC shows. He has purchased the time slot and can put on 12 year old school girls playing field hockey if he feels like it. He can even create his own weight divisions apart from what is currently the standard in boxing today. There is no one and nothing standing in his way from doing whatever he wishes to do. As for watching his programming, well I might consider doing so if he starts showing respect for the current champions that exist and stops giving us crap like two champions fighting a 10 round fight at a catch weight with no titles at stake. What? dude, come on you've gone overboard again with paranoia. There is no way NBC will let Haymon put on what he wants, just as there was no way HBO would either. It all goes through the chain and someone makes the decision. He may try and create new weights. Overall, I think boxing should do that as the average size of humans has changed considerably since these weights were established. The Olympics, for example, have adjusted weights in boxing, judo and wrestling. What does the weight or the lack of titles being on the line have to do with the quality of the fight? It takes away from the drama. If you get a FOTY candidate or we get lucky and get a gatti/ward type fight (not saying we will), does it really matter ?

There was nothing at all wrong with the ratings on Spike. They are in line with what can be expected on that particular channel. They are not a high rated network with popular shows that everyone tunes in to watch. They are a fringe network with fringe programming for a fringe audience. Expecting anything more would be foolish.

If HBO and Haymon work out their differences, we agree that is a good thing. I read the article you posted yesterday. HBO's issue was high prices for bad fights. They never said they would stop putting on those fights, but rather if they can get Haymon fighters "at the right price". No promoter or manager makes a network air a bad fight. The network heads make the decisions. The reality is nowadays fans like "bxers" more than they like "boxing". If a network can get away with a Kov/Caparello, Floyd/Ghost, Manny/Algieiri, Danny/Salka GGG/Monroe, etc. fight, they will do it everytime. If the best fights are made and the winners rewarded with bigger fights it should all take care of itself. The networks have no say in what Haymon puts on his various PBC shows. He has purchased the time slot and can put on 12 year old school girls playing field hockey if he feels like it. He can even create his own weight divisions apart from what is currently the standard in boxing today. There is no one and nothing standing in his way from doing whatever he wishes to do. As for watching his programming, well I might consider doing so if he starts showing respect for the current champions that exist and stops giving us crap like two champions fighting a 10 round fight at a catch weight with no titles at stake.

hahahahahahahahahaha what a joke. those are some mediocre numbers. and it will only go down from there. So Hammer, it's clear that you want Haymon to fail. But what do you look forward to as the alternative, should you get your wish?

I'm not sure which fans fall into that category. I don't think I've seen one poster on this site who is ok with settling for seeing their favorite boxer beat up a tomato can, rather than face a true contender. I see your point about network execs' approval of putting on lame fights. Everyone has an agenda- the promoters, "advisors", networks and fighters. The fans of the sport ultimately have to take whatever comes down the pike. That is, until they get so frustrated that they give up on the sport altogether. The threat of a disintrested fan base and subsequent failure, has to serve as motivation for the powers that be to make compelling fights. Some on this site, I was speaking more about casual fans. They gravitate toward stars in all sports as opposed to teams or the sport itself. I would hope networks just go back to selling the sport. For example, I can't understand why BAD isn't doing something with 122/126 with all the talent there. BAD started on HBO with quality fights from lower weights. They should get back to taking chances and innovative programming. I get they have a bottom line, but I would much rather see that then see just names in with bums.

If HBO and Haymon work out their differences, we agree that is a good thing. I read the article you posted yesterday. HBO's issue was high prices for bad fights. They never said they would stop putting on those fights, but rather if they can get Haymon fighters "at the right price". No promoter or manager makes a network air a bad fight. The network heads make the decisions. The reality is nowadays fans like "bxers" more than they like "boxing". If a network can get away with a Kov/Caparello, Floyd/Ghost, Manny/Algieiri, Danny/Salka GGG/Monroe, etc. fight, they will do it everytime. If the best fights are made and the winners rewarded with bigger fights it should all take care of itself. I'm not sure which fans fall into that category. I don't think I've seen one poster on this site who is ok with settling for seeing their favorite boxer beat up a tomato can, rather than face a true contender. I see your point about network execs' approval of putting on lame fights. Everyone has an agenda- the promoters, "advisors", networks and fighters. The fans of the sport ultimately have to take whatever comes down the pike. That is, until they get so frustrated that they give up on the sport altogether. The threat of a disintrested fan base and subsequent failure, has to serve as motivation for the powers that be to make compelling fights.

Interesting posts. I don't want Haymon's venture to fail per se, but I don't trust the guy. Everyone knows his rep for luring many fighters into his stable, and then controlling who fights whom-much to fighting fans' peril. Instead of the best fights, we got garbage fights. Now, he's allegedly on a quest to give fans what they have been begging for: great fights. However, he took many fighters away from HBO, and his fighters generally don't fight HBO fighters. There's also the issue with Roc Nation trying to get into the fray, but Haymon and Jay Z have beef. So there is yet another conflict, which further fragments boxing. Why can't all of these entities settle their differences and get on with the potentially lucrative business of making great fights together? Now that would be a venture that could blow up! Instead, everyone is trying to one-up each other, and fans get the by-product, which ranges from merely decent to absolute crap. If HBO and Haymon work out their differences, we agree that is a good thing. I read the article you posted yesterday. HBO's issue was high prices for bad fights. They never said they would stop putting on those fights, but rather if they can get Haymon fighters "at the right price". No promoter or manager makes a network air a bad fight. The network heads make the decisions. The reality is nowadays fans like "bxers" more than they like "boxing". If a network can get away with a Kov/Caparello, Floyd/Ghost, Manny/Algieiri, Danny/Salka GGG/Monroe, etc. fight, they will do it everytime. If the best fights are made and the winners rewarded with bigger fights it should all take care of itself.

I want it to fail because of what I believe Haymon wishes to do, and that is remake boxing in the UFC model of business. He wants to replace over a century of titles and tradition with his own closed league of fighters with himself in total control. I think this will destroy boxing, not help it and hope he loses his shirt. What I would like to see would be boxing presented normally, as it is on Showtime and HBO with no ulterior motives to control the sport. I want to see the sport presented in the same way as a NFL game or MLB game or NHL game. THAT will have my support. Haymon and his ideas never will. At least you are honest about this. I think you are a little paranoid as nothing has suggested this is what will happen. The problem is too many posters are afraid of just stating this outright. They are because unlike you they have argued this is exactly what boxing needs. Yet when its Haymon that they think is doing it, then they suddenly have a problem. Then they get questioned about what there real issue is, which makes them very uncomfortable because, if you think this model helps the sport, it shouldn't matter who does it. Interesting posts. I don't want Haymon's venture to fail per se, but I don't trust the guy. Everyone knows his rep for luring many fighters into his stable, and then controlling who fights whom-much to fighting fans' peril. Instead of the best fights, we got garbage fights. Now, he's allegedly on a quest to give fans what they have been begging for: great fights. However, he took many fighters away from HBO, and his fighters generally don't fight HBO fighters. There's also the issue with Roc Nation trying to get into the fray, but Haymon and Jay Z have beef. So there is yet another conflict, which further fragments boxing. Why can't all of these entities settle their differences and get on with the potentially lucrative business of making great fights together? Now that would be a venture that could blow up! Instead, everyone is trying to one-up each other, and fans get the by-product, which ranges from merely decent to absolute crap.

Wanting it to fail and not seeing how this business strategy can be sustained are 2 totally different things. I don't think any true boxing fan wants this to fail. If so you're not a boxing fan. What I see here are many people mistaking those questioning how this can succeed long term for wanting it to fail. Yes, you want it to fail and you are obviously not an accountant. Just admit you have an agenda and stop pretending that you know more with your phony internet financial advise than the people who are actually accomplishing something in this sport. That's also directed towards all of the phony boxing fans who complain every week about boxing on network television.

The main problem I have is that he cannot properly represent the best interests of his clients while he is also for all intents and purposes, their boss and employer at the same time. When a fighter signs a contract for Haymon to act as their advisor or manager, they are effectively hiring him to work for them. How can they possibly work for him at the same time? It is patently impossible. The only way I see this being possible would be for him to cancel all existing contracts with the fighters and sign the fighters to exclusive contracts where they only fight under the PBC banner. I seriously cannot imaging any boxer being stupid enough to do that and I can imagine attempting to cancel the existing contracts to lead to numerous court challenges if not outright criminal charges against him. The clause he puts in his contracts means they are in effect working for him. Similar thing Bob does with TR fighters. These are very smart men who are in this business to make money. You really want to see Haymon go down. Is what it is. I don't think he will but only time will tell. Until then, I'll be watching the fights. Hope you do the same.

I think he is trying to phase out the old school promoters. I think that is a good thing as they take way too much. Most of what they do can be done using social media in this day and age. You raise some good points. By giving fighters such high purses, he ensures they will not be upset I suppose. His contracts with individual fighters and the networks effectively eliminates the need for a promoter so he is clearly working a loophole in the Ali act. I think he is no more corrupt than King or Arum. The main problem I have is that he cannot properly represent the best interests of his clients while he is also for all intents and purposes, their boss and employer at the same time. When a fighter signs a contract for Haymon to act as their advisor or manager, they are effectively hiring him to work for them. How can they possibly work for him at the same time? It is patently impossible. The only way I see this being possible would be for him to cancel all existing contracts with the fighters and sign the fighters to exclusive contracts where they only fight under the PBC banner. I seriously cannot imaging any boxer being stupid enough to do that and I can imagine attempting to cancel the existing contracts to lead to numerous court challenges if not outright criminal charges against him.

They are less than one third of the NBC numbers. But that is to be expected seeing as everyone has NBC as part of their cable package, or over the air with an antenna. Spike is not a basic cable channel and is not included in every package and is not available over the air. I do not have Spike in my package although I could exchange one of the channels I rarely watch for it if I wish. I used to have it but dumped it after a month or so due to their terrible programming. Given those facts, Spike may as well be a premium channel. Also, the card wasn't very compelling, so expectations probably weren't that high.

I don't care who tries to do this, whether it's Haymon or Don King or Bob Arum or ODLH. I do not think that someone who 'advises' or manages or otherwise controls a large group of fighters should be getting involved in some kind of new boxing league promotion. I consider his actions which block promoters who are not affiliated with Haymon from this league to violate anti-competition laws. I have trouble understanding how this does not violate the Ali Act in one way or another. By putting these shows together, Haymon becomes a de-facto promoter. If Haymon is in charge of these fight cards and of the amount of the purse, how can he represent his fighters effectively and non-partially at the same time? If one fighter is not happy with his purse, will Haymon enter into contract discussions with himself? The entire thing smells of corruption to me. Don King would be very proud of Haymon and is probably pissed off that he never thought of this first. I think he is trying to phase out the old school promoters. I think that is a good thing as they take way too much. Most of what they do can be done using social media in this day and age. You raise some good points. By giving fighters such high purses, he ensures they will not be upset I suppose. His contracts with individual fighters and the networks effectively eliminates the need for a promoter so he is clearly working a loophole in the Ali act. I think he is no more corrupt than King or Arum.

Hahaha, the same crowd that accused others of being financial experts, lawyers etc has suddenly flipped the script. "It's about the money! That's why we want it to fail!" Makes sense. Than it becomes a circle jerk :lol1: