I agree, but who from 140-154, outside of Pacquiao and Bradley (Top Rank), does? Canelo was arguably less ready, but he took the challenge and stepped up.
Less ready?? He won't ever be ready.. Thats not a slight, Floyd's skill set is just better at any age.
Juan loses a close fight and gets dropped to#9??
Manny gets brutally ko'd and hasn't won an official fight since 2011 and is #6?
Canelo gets clowned and embarrased and is somehow #10?
Stole my thoughts...
point 1- I get not liking floyd but to say that a guy who we have only seen hit flush a few times is going to get knocked out is sorta reckless.
point 2 - You can't pick a fantasy fight where one guy is at his best and the other isn't, any way, at floyd's best he is a defensive wizard with cat like reflexes. Like him or not, he's not getting knocked out. He's 36 and guys can't hit him, so you expect me to believe when he's 25-30 somebody is going to just blow him away in 2 rounds..GTFOH..
point 3- Hearns didn't knock out Leonard, he's not knocking out floyd. Floyd would be moving. Truth said.
point 3- Sweet pea had great reflexes and head movement. If you watch floyd, he had great footwork, great reflexes, and great defense. .. and yes they are all different categorizes.
point 4- I'm not saying he would be undefeated but Call him what you want but with his combination of skills he would be hard to beat in any era, and not one guy would blow right thru him, not even the haters believe that. it doesn't matter if you agree with the truth.
C'mon give the guy an ounce of credit
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Take second round of Mayweather\Mosley. The first 2 minutes you would think it Should have been scored an 10-8 round..that is until the the last minute where floyd took control of the fight and turned it around.
Now at the end of that round I would want to be Floyd, but to others they might choose Shane.
the fight was very close and is THE ONLY fight that any one can possibly give may **** about.. Everyone knows Mayweather earned the decision he got. My opinion is that after watching it I can see why folks would say it could go either way.
Watched Dela Hoya vs Mayweather last night because I hadn't watched it in a while and scored the fight 8-4 mayweather but it wasn't really close 7 rounds clearly for Mayweather ( 1,5,6,8,9,10,11) 2 for Oscar( 2,7) and 3 could have gone either way( 3,4,12). Anyone who says Oscar won is in denial and cant score.
I think that's the reason He still hates Floyd. Because he degraded him as a man made him look like a straight up punk in 24/7 And during the press conferance and then picked him apart in the ring and gave him the worst psychological beating of his career.
good point!
Did you watch the fight?? It's a very close fight, and it is well documented that floyd did have a hurt shoulder. I don't get paid to judge, but if you judge by pressure you would pick castillo, clean punching you would give floyd the nod. Either way he got the nod, gave a rematch and got the nod again. I can live with that..
THIS isn't a Mayweather\Catillo Thread..
Are you serious? The fight was in Vegas with HBO's backed Mayweather. Of course he's going to get the corrupt decision for the "good of the sport". Are you new to how things work in Vegas?
Thats Texas buddy... And please learn the difference between close fight and getting robbed.
For me pound for pound means..if you were in another weight class you would dominate.. It should be a list for guys with serious skills. If your a surpreme boxing talent..IE..u know who.. you can use that skill and any weight class.. if you are a big guy with power, im not sure that pound for pound worthy because if we placed your 20 pounds over your best weight you won't have those advantages.. Maybe I don't make sense
Didn't Floyd senior think Floyd lost to DLH or is that a rumour?
Most think Floyd lost the first fight to Castillo. But Floyd got the decision so Floiyd is thanking his lucky stars for that one. and nothing to worry about there.
His dad has sour grapes, he was mad Oscar didn't give him 2 mil to train him plus he was mad at floyd and Roger.
anyway.. it doesn't matter what he thought watch the fight, he clearly won.
Mayweather looked a little scared against DLH. He could have been scared of his power or he was a little overwhelmed by the event, he also looked slow in that fight which might have been the weight.
Watching the fight again I noticed that Oscar took away Floyd's springing left hook. Floyd looked very cautious and I do feel he waited for Oscar to tire out and that really never happened to the extent he was looking for. The variable was that floyd didn't have a lot of pop at that time fighting at 154 plus the gloves were selected by Oscar. Instead of selecting gloves reyes gloves that are punchers gloves, Oscar selected the more padded gloves for floyd.
The whole "Oscar beat Floyd" thing happened because morons who started watching the sport in 2009 saw a SD on BoxRec. Almost everyone at the fight party I had for May-DLH wanted Oscar to win, but at the end everyone had Mayweather winning. I'm convinced people who say "Oscar won" or even that it was a draw have never watched the fight.
but it becomes truth for the new people..then you hear even Canelo say, DeLa Hoya won. I'm a homer when it comes to Mayweather, but I also don't want to sound retarded just blindly following a fighter, so I always have to go back and watch to be sure I'm not lying to my self..
That's funny, I was in here saying that and everyone was insulting me for it. You guys over thought this thing.
The only way to beat Mayweather is to pressure him for 12 rounds and not stop. Put Leo Santa Cruz cardio and style into Canelo's body.
Non stop pressure for 12 rounds and force Mayweather to fight. Everyone falls into his trap and boxes.
There's a reason Mayweather avoided a prime Marg 5 years ago at 147, he knows that is the toughest style to deal with. Not saying Marg would have won, he just like to slow the fight down to his pace.
oh lord.. Not the Margarito stuff..At the end of the day, I'm not saying you can beat mayweather with pressure..I believe if you keep coming and get tired you would get Ko'd or stopped..IE Hatton.. Any way with that Said Hatton is the only fighter that kept coming, all else di what Mayweather said they do..They stop punching cause they didn't want to get knocked out.. At least Hatton went out on his shield
Plan after 4 rounds of fighting Mayweather..
DON"T GET KNOCKED OUT.. I don't care how feather fisted you guys think he is.. the guys that fight him don't!!
Because he clearly lose when he fought like that against cotto. Watch the fight, Floyd still moved in that fight he just mixed it up more. He only mixed it up enough to get hit with hard jabs and glancing blows. He didn't go all GATTI and slug it out.
I'm not giving money to Floyd, I'm not ordering this ppv, but I agree with Doug, this is the fight that Floyd can lose! I picked Trout against Canelo, but Canelo proved me wrong in there!
Canelo showed some defensive skills and smarts in that fight! And Canelo is not that slow as most analyst said! Canelo is not as fast as Floyd or Pac, but he has a quick trigger for a 154lbs fighter. And he has a better straight right and uppercuts than cotto.
I'm not solid yet but I'm getting close on picking Canelo! one more week! I'm still watching his last fights! Lucky they're showing the ppv previews and replays for free on on demand!
Honestly doesn't need your money, He's getting 41.5 without you or me..but I'll buy the fight or watch it at a buddies because I'm a fan, thats what we do. Stop trying to step out of the realm of "FAN".
To be honest , the problem with floyd is that casual watchers think they can beat him..they don't see skill they see boring...when your not knocking people out everyone has something to say..real talk
ok whitaker was a defensive wizard but is punch drunk now...how does that happen? i'm from VA and love Sweet P, but in 10 years floyd will still be a clear speaker with over 45-50 fights. I give the nod to floyd.
to be honest since both aren't big guys the "BEST" fight would be them two at 154 maybe..anything higher should be a catch weight ..Not to give either an advantage just pointing out that they both can perform high south of 160..if they ever fought at 160 both would come in under the limit.
If pac is such an easy fight for floyd, then why the OST demands? why does floyd need the psychological crutch and confidence booster against pac?
To be honest we all know floyd plays mind games so who knows. it's just part of what he does, he does it cuz he's damn good at it reguardless if he needs to. We all know styles make fights..classic Bull vs. Matador.. basically what I here people saying is Pac's got 9 mins ( 3 rounds for u dummies) to destroy floyd after that I think it's over
At the end of the day hardcore fans won't give floyd credit for beating Pac-man , they'll say he was small...but casual fans and mainsteam media will because they love pac-man..floyd in my opinion knocks him out or freddie will have to throw in the towel.
Floyd's skills are not based on weight any way..he came in at 146 against Mosley and was clearly the stronger fighter!...some of u have bought into the hype that he beat JMM cause he weighed in 2 pounds heavier..didn't beat him with weight either..he beat him with SKILLS
Roach will devise a completely different strategy for Pac to counter Floyd's style. Roach is very good at studying fighters and he has studied Floyd in the past where his boxer DLH was matching up well until he abandoned the jab---an important part of the strategy. On the other hand, Pac learns well and follows the strategy to the letter. He can also deviate and follow his instincts just like he did to Cotto with the rope-a-dope.
I think it will come down to who is more prepared and who can adjust well. Pac always comes into the ring confident whoever his opponent is even when he is moving up in weight. I'm not sure about Floyd though as he looked nervous in the Hatton fight.
Man roaches plan against dela hoya was he knew he would kill his self making weight, agianst cotto the whole 145 catch weight thin is kinda bothersome, clottey is a passive defensive fighter, and Hatton is hatton..now pac-man still had to get in the ring and beat these guys I give him that, but he doesn't have any advantages in this fight..speed is nuetral, is 1 punch power is better that floyd's but if floyd moves i don't see him hitting him flush. I'm not saying pac-man is not a good fighter I'm saying roach is a better match maker than he is a trainer..
Ok I didn't read any response on here cuz I didn't want to be tainted. This is why I think Pac-man cna't beat Money..no hate, just what I think
Against Cotto..Cotto stopped his game plan and started to bang brawl with pacman, feel right into his trap. Mayweather will stay on his game plan
Against Hatton..Hatton doesn't keep his hands up and can't box on the elite level..floyd will have his hands up and has great head movement. It is no impossible to stun floyd but it is impossible to hit him with a one punch "Hatton" KO, this was a perfect punch against the perfect fighter,
Against Clottey...nothin bad to say about pac man except for the fact that his face was messed up even though clottey only threw 8 punches, he also looked confused when clottey wouldn't throw back and wouldn't ingauge...
Against marquez...Pac outclassed from a boxing stand point...Mayweather outclassed marquez who many feel is a good boxer
It is my humble opinion that because pac-man is a fast south paw he has a good chance to touch floyd early but with his reach being much shorter and his boxing skill not on par with floyds' he could be in for a long night. Shane hurt floyd but shane has 154 pound, 12th round power...Everyone says well pac is going to throw a 1000 punches..not a good idea against one of the best counter punchers in the sport..Pac is not a good inside fighter either, I could see floyd ruffing him up...People forget floyd can fight in any style...This is just my opinon..I love Pac man, just don't think he has the tools to win.