Well, he beat Cotto, who Floyd ducked for years for starters. He beat hatton at hattons best weight and ko'ed him in 2. Floyd wouldnt ever ko hatton in 5 rounds let alone 2. Floyd wouldnt ever stop DLH, any version hed never stop.
SO whatever way you look at it, Pac deserves to be above Floyd in anyones rule book.
Hasn't Cotto gone on the record stating that he was never in pursuit of a Mayweather fight until just recently?? How can Mayweather duck someone that never called him out?
well the fact is Floyd has too casual approach to fighting and making fights. If Floyd had of beat Cotto, it would have been a great win for Floyd, just like it should be, and was for Pac.
So why is brother jay embarassing himself by asking who has Pac fought type questions when Pac beating Cotto is better than anything Floyd had did?
I don't see what your reply has to do with you saying Floyd ducked Cotto when you have no evidence to suggest he did. Just because they didnt fight until recently doesn't mean it was Floyd that ducked Cotto.
dont play yourself. floyd is always in the gym. he might not be doing 100% training type work for a fight but he's in there staying in shape doing light work. boxing is floyd's life.
what is your evidence that he did any boxing training in the last 2 years?
No1 is saying he didn't exercise AT ALL in the last 2 years. I'm saying he didn't train for the last 2 years, per Floyd himself. There's a difference between exercising and training for a 12 round boxing match.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, post it.
but why trash another fighter for doing the same then? sure, they might not be making $100 mil, but it's still a money grab fight for them, but yet they get shiieted on for it.
It's been stated at least 5 times in this thread alone that he brought it up because Ali lost to him, not because he took a fight with someone with 7 fights. If Floyd loses to McGregor then this argument makes more sense. This is a terrible thread.
no, ali was brought up as the greatest, that's when floyd brought up the lost to a guy with 7 fights, so how can ali be view as the greatest. floyd didnt bring ali up because ali lost to a guy with 7 fights. ali was being talked about as the greatest, that's when floyd brought up the lost.
Yeah, exactly my point, bro. So exactly what is the point of this thread? What am I missing? I know you didn't start the thread, but help me out here.
Straight out duck, no denying it. I still have him beating Khan "doe" but when a fighter ducks a fight himself because he is looking at the consequence of losing then it says a lot about his mental state.
I think his mental state was just fine.He got exactly what he wanted. How can someone with any sense say Bradley was scared to fight Khan, but gladly got into the ring with Pacquiao and Marquez? I don't really know why people come on this forum and pretend like they've never heard of the word "business". I could see if he took a fight with a lesser name for less money, but he didn't. People can say Bradley "ducked" Khan all they want, but look where the two fighters are right now. Fighters get labeled "scared" or "duckers" because they make decisions that are best for THEM.
So when Mayweather came out of retirement after the Hatton fight he made no mention of Pacquiao but then fought the LW champ and that was September of 09. Then two months later in November of 09 Pacquaio beats Cotto and when all focus shifts back at Floyd his response was he wasnt even thinking about boxing and he wants to go on vacation and never calls Manny out on Twitter or anything and then goes 17 months without fighting.
But somehow that is 2 plus years of the Pacquaio camp making excuses. Some people have short memories.
Not sure why Pacquaio doesnt say he is not fighting again unless it is Floyd and Arum pisses me off to no end. But dont act like now it is all Manny's fault.
I'm not a rocket scientist, but something tells me that if a fighter says that he isn't interesting in fighting, and then takes over a year to make his next bout, then he was probably being serious when he said he wasn't thinking about fighting.
There's no guarantee that Floyd would come back looking as sharp as he did after taking the kinds of layoffs that he took, so the argument that Floyd was 'just ducking' Pacquiao so he could fight at a later time when Pacquiao's skills diminished never made sense to me, especially considering that Floyd is 2 years older than Manny.
Theres a huge difference between what Mayweather did and what Pacquiao is doing now. Pacquiao IS interested in fighting, but not against Floyd, which has been made obvious. I don't have a huge problem with Mayweather taking a vacation if his heart truly wasn't in the mind frame of making another fight. I do, however, have a huge problem with Pacquiao blatantly ducking Mayweather by making a fight in June when he's more than capable of fighting in May. Its pretty sad.
and yes- There have been 2+ years of Pacquiao camp excuses, smoke and mirrors, and blatant fabrications. Floyd has gone on record with one request: Random blood and urine tests. That's it. Everything else that he has been accused of demanding is either hearsay or a flat out fabrication on the part of Bob Arum.
NEither side wants the fight.
This us just free promotion for their next fights.
Floyd calls pac out on twitter then turns his phone off.
Meanwhile PAC agrees to the fight on a date he knows mayweather won't fight.
If Floyd was eve serious he wouldn't gave booked may 5 he would have negotiated the PAC fight.
Thats a cute, political answer, but its been made pretty clear that Mayweather, infact, does want the fight. Lets not forget that he offered a 14 day cut off in the original negotiations, and hes been calling Pacquiao out since the week before the Marquez this time around. All we've heard out of the Pacquiao camp is excuse after excuse. For 2+ years.
I seem to recall Freddie Roach, Arum and all of the Floyd Haters/Pacquiao fans saying that "There is no way" Floyd Mayweather would take a fight with Shane Mosley and that he was scared of him about 2 weeks before the fight got signed. His age didn't change in that 2 week time frame.
This is true......very very very true
Point proven from the other thread
I think the major difference between Mayweather fighting Cotto and Pacquiao fighting the fighters that Mayweather beat is that Pacquiao's team picked those fighters specifically because they had just recently came off of a loss to Mayweather and they wanted to establish Pacquiao as a household name. Mayweather is fighting Cotto because he's the biggest fight that could have been made.
You have Freddie Roach himself, on camera, basically confirming that. He said they fought De La Hoya because they felt he was washed up and he was faded after his fight with Mayweather, he called Hatton damaged goods after he lost to Mayweather, and he said that they wanted Mosley so they could beat Mosley more convincingly than Mayweather did. Those are all facts.
I thought you'd realize that people here are more concerned with bashing Floyd than they are being objective. It doesn't matter who Mayweather fights - he'll get bashed regardless. That includes Pacquiao.
People saying this is a terrible fight just validate how great of a fighter Mayweather is. Is the fight a little too late? Sure. However Cotto is still a very good fighter and the biggest fight Mayweather could have made since the Pacquiao fight couldn't get made and Martinez is scheduled for a fight next month. Those are just facts. You people need to start using a little bit of common sense.
You're basically saying that if Mayweather doesn't fight Pacquiao or Martinez, then he shouldn't fight at all. That's a cute tagline, but its simply not realistic.
he did, plenty of times or maybe you didnt watch the fight and youre trolling
He's trolling.
Mayweather definitely has some good power - Not the best but its certainly underrated.
Naah it is just saying cotto is past his prime and is ready for the picking..
Cotto sadly ain't elite anymore.. And while Floyd is still fresh as a daisy.. Coz Floyd fights once a year and is still undamaged coz of his safety first boring style.while he waits and waits for them to get battle worn then bam! Lets fight Punk! ;)
Yeah, and you're also saying that Floyd IS elite. The fact of the matter is Floyd is also no longer in his prime anymore. He's 35 years old, bro. I understand that you've dedicated your life on these forums to bashing Mayweather at every turn, but seriously - you can at least admit that you think Mayweather is an unbelievable fighter if you think this is a terrible fight for him to make. There isn't a bigger available fight out there. If there is, tell me, obviously without including Pacquiao.
I'm pretty sure that Floyd made a mistake anytime he fights anyone other than Pacquiao. Even if the Pacquiao fight ever happens he'll get bashed after he beats him. Everyone has a list of people that hes supposedly scared to fight, but then when he signs to fight them people still bash him. That seems to be the pattern.
Every time he does fight someone people want him to, they make excuses for why he beat them after its over. Its a never ending cycle because of his personality
All it had to take was for Canelo to be drained at a catchweight of 152.
All it had to to take was for Maidana to wear Pillows/ Floyds Ring size/ Floyds favorite ref.
Mayweather hasn't fought Pacquiao, and people are blaming Manny?
What a warrior this Coward is, lmao
Lmao. It's hilarious reading u ppl come up with whatever excuse u can use to discredit any Mayweather win.
Mayweather is no different from Berto and Pederson. They make accusations of cheating and demand tests at the same time. Except that Berto and Pederson are nobodies compared to the biggest juicer in the sport. He gets to use his money to hide his ped activites.
Mayweather tested positive for peds, or are you just getting your excuses ready in case Manny loses?
Floyd has beaten every southpaw he has faced. Soooooooo. Floyd does everything better than JMM, add superior speed, ring IQ and accuracy.
How is Pac gonna get inside on Floyd????
Everyone gets cut, swells and bruises differently. Faces rarely ever tell the stoey of who won
How come the all powerful Manny couldnt KD a blown up Marquez
Don't use logic. I think you already know all he's gonna do is revert back to saying Floyd is scared. Lol
uhhhh.....
floyd did use random drug testing as an excuse to duck manny, evidenced by the fact that manny agreed to it several times already, and floyd subsequently walked away/made a flat fee offer each and every single time
the funniest part of all is that lamont peterson was caught by a urine test which all the pac haters were saying was useless lmao
stop with this babble. If Pacquiao would have agreed to the 14 day cut off Mayweather conceded to in 2009 the fight would have already happened.
Thats not even the point, though....Why anyone would be against random drug testing across the board in a sport this dangerous is mind-bloggling.
The radio guy didn't "own" the poster. I thought he held his own. Pacquiao SHOULD get 50%, though. Its not about how much money Pacquiao takes in, its about how much revenue he generates. You can't have the biggest fight of all time with just one person.
The only reason Floyd is making this 50/50 split thing an issue is because of the article that quoted Pacquiao as saying he would take less money than Mayweather to make the fight happen.
I'm still pretty convinced that if the two sides actually sat down and had legit negotiations that the money issue would be solved pretty quickly. Floyd already agreed to a 50/50 split before, so I personally think what he's saying now is just posturing. But who knows.