for ****s sake people spend WAY more time on these boards talking about promoters, al haymon, tv ratings, ppv buys etc, than about actual match ups.
I hear you bro, not enough people wanting to be legends too much about making money, now days there is a real lack of 50-50 fights and it sucks BIGTIME
What an absoloute load of bollox this thread is , no disrespect intended but i strongly disagree
i'm from england but I dont do this petty us against them bullshit. im a general boxing fan who like anyone has their favs which come from a number of different countries and i will tell it how i see it.
Lets look at the facts.....sergio mora won the contender...won the 1st ever contender ...the most entertaining season with the best prospects imo...he was pretty cool on it too.
but as a real fighter? hes elusive yes....but mainly to your average 'b' class fighter ...he punches like a little girl and has 5 ko's to his resume , so how is he like Dirrel? why would they love him if he was black? hes absoloutley nothing like Dirrel
mora has a ko percentage to fights of around 24%
Dirrel has a ko percentage of around 73 %
Mora gets gifted a controversial decision to Forrest 1st fight
Forest gives Mora rematch nearly Knocks the guy out , humiliates him completley owns him...Mora is immediatlety found out to be a fraud
Mora a top 2o fighter possibly?...dirrel is a legitamate top 10fighter! they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence!
...and i'm one of frochs and the contenders fans
lets look at the vast differences
Dirrel who apparantly hasnt trained properly eg only giving it 6days in england to adjust...coming in slightly overweight... and yet he scares the shit out of carl froch in his own back yard...travels all they way to england to be robbed like that.
i mean before you say anything...why would all the commentators on primetime have Dirrel up by a few rounds including point deduction if that werent so?
now i'll give credit where credits due opening few rounds dirrel ran around like a little pussy and kept on falling on floor breaking rules and stuff but Froch bodyslammed the guy..elbowed him ...they both threw rabbit punches
but when it came down to it and they actually exchanged the much clearer crisper and harder punches came from Dirrel and some of them made Froches knees buckle, something mora coudn't do in a million years
i agree the opening few rounds dirrel ran away like a sissy but who was the agressor in the last few rounds i ask you ... not only did he score more harder punches ,more jabs more counters, more everything and made a fine art of slipping carls punches and making him swipe thin air he actually took away carls heart ...in the last round he looked like a beaten man
i was completley rooting for froch the whole fight not just because im from england but mainly because i didnt even no much about dirrel
but despite the early cowardly rounds his actuall craft and superior speed, skill and punching power won me over and impressed me and he is getting a lot off unfair flack on this site.
even if you honestly do believe Froch won, shouldn't you be giving dirrel some credit? for giving carl such a torrid time....but all i see is sore winners
carl froch showed a lot of courage and deteremination hes british and id like him to win it but im wise enough to know he wont and if his punch resistance ever goes hes in trouble
I never gave mosley a chance in this fight. I always knew that mayweather was the elite of the elite alongside pac.....a level above mosley. Dont get it twisted im not sure about money mayweather as a person....altho he probably isnt as bad in real life as those 247 episodes show him to be.
but he clearly is a special talent and its retarded to start saying mosley was shot ect ect.... mayweather delivered the goods simple as.
the guy is exceptionally talented wether you like him or not and that was clear from the onset...this result has only backed that up.
now bring on mayweather / Pac !
The stoppage was spot on, when you wathc the replays that goes without saying. But I think whats vital was the woeful Jim watt.
Originlly I had froch 1 round behind going into the 9th and I stand by that. How people such as Jim watt critersised the scoring when the judges imo was spot on.
Just watched it on skyports 2 in HD and what I find interesting was the body work froch was putting in. IMO that set up the ko and groves eyes were both marked up in round 7, so the "pawing" jabs that Jim watt claimed obviously made there mark.
B.o.l.l.o.x were you watching it with 5 pairs of sunglasses on whilst o'd ing on crack cocaine? :rofl:
I know your a loyal fan and you cannot knock that but c'mon man!
I personally don't feel it should have been stopped in that moment. Groves got caught a few times but took the shots, he threw two punches seconds before the fight was stopped and was moving and trying to evade punches. He wasn't caught on the ropes, getting teed off on with his head snapping back.
Having said that probably a few seconds later it would have been time to stop it. Probably.
But due to the circumstances in that moment, the nature of the fight and its importance I feel Groves earned an extra few seconds to prove he could weather the storm.
But to be fair to the referee he's got a split second to make a decision. If he'd allowed it to continue and Froch seriously hurt Groves then everyone would be crucifying him for that reason.
What I take issue with is that he gave Froch every chance after the knockdown. Froch was down heavily and on jelly legs when he got back up. Groves followed up with two big punches that buckled Froch. He made the correct decision there and let Froch get saved by the bell and weather the storm. So why in a similar situation for Groves does he immediately stop the fight?
You don't see many stoppages taking place in the centre of the ring, while the other guy is still on his feet.
Bottom line is: yes Froch probably would have stopped him for real soon after, but Groves earned the right to have the chance to prove that outcome wrong.
Gutted for him. You could see what it meant to him. Froch his usual cocky, motormouth self.
Froch believed his own hype and got exposed. Non existent defense. Always struggles against someone who can box skillfully. Which makes a mockery of his suggestions he would have beat Calzaghe and would have won a rematch against Ward.
For that reason I'm not convinced he genuinely wants a rematch with Groves.
Hopefully his hurt pride will make it happen. Because it's what we want to see. There's too much doubt after an ending like that.
Never seen public opinion change like that. Groves is being portrayed as the gallant loser and Froch as someone who lucked out.
Have some sympathy for Froch though. He wouldn't have wanted it to turn out like that. But it is what is it is.
Couldn't agree more! good post
Always thought of Froch was an arrogant bellend and this just validates my point more, I respect his achievements and he has proved me wrong in fights before but the guy is a kunt
Froch's manager eddie hearns wants to match froch against chavez next. Who wins ?
Would rather see him fight Adonis Stevenson if hes not willing to give Groves a much deserved rematch
I would say no, simply because he got knocked out cold by the guy Floyd dominated, I like lil Pac but think that will stick in alot of peoples minds I'm afraid
It's not often I praise him but the final punch showed real sportsmanship. He saw that his opponent was finished so deliberately threw a grazing punch that would force the referee to stop the fight without causing any further damage.
Classy stuff. That scumbag Lebedev should take note.
Haha kudos my man
The thread would not have run it's course without some closing words from Enzo Mc is ****, lol!
You know the referee is a top referee when you hardly notice him in the fight.
In the US most referees are far to trigger happy with early stoppages.
I'll admit Cleverly was slightly buzzed, but the referee gave him every chance to continue in manoeuvring him to the corner.
Terry is a stand up guy. Remember how dignified he was when that midget Maloney accused him of bogus scoring against John McDermott because McDermott's dad knocked Terry out years ago. As if Terry would entertain a thing like that.
It was the first Fury-McDermott bout and he scored it 98-2 (extremely lenient), i personally had it a shut out.
Is this some sort of troll post or are you being serious?
Yes it was good that the action was allowed to continue but I'm not sure a referee is allowed to practically lift a fighter to his corner?
Over to your next point there is no way the first Fury V Mcdermott fight was a shutout!, A lot of people including commentators and ring side press had Mcdermott sneaking that, a lot of people cried robbery, if Fury did win it it certainly was not the convincing score like you have suggested!
What is it that you saw that everybody else did not when judging that fight?
Never have I heard so much praise about a known Cheater. Antonio Margarito has been and still is talked about as if he was a hero and not a cheat. Yes the man had an Iron Chin but with an even weaker Morals, Respect for the sport and his fans. Trinidad has been crucified for the same mistake/judgment and others for less.
Is there a reason for this praise, or is ignorance to blame. Both the California Justice Department as well as the Athletic Commission had shown the illegal move he made and yet the man is praised for a questionable career.
If a fighter gets caught with PED's, he is a cheat AND crucified. Should it not be the same with a fighter caught with loaded gloves.
Some claim it could have been for just that fight, or its not his fault but his trainers. But to use loaded gloves against a fight that is only a small image of his old self, and not against a young undefeated Puerto Rican becomes ignorance!
When will people see him for what he truely is, a cheater who wasn't a has been but a never was! A man who couldn't stand real competition and opted for the easy way out!
Agreed
Margarito's a scumbag a disgrace to the sport of boxing and all he had was the good chin oh and his plaster to cheat his way to victory
As soon as that got taken away we all saw what happened.........
The negotiations have begun. Alexander sitting on a paper belt
Waiting forba littery ticket. Say what youbwant , but khan has heart
And a sack and devin is heartless.
I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than watch boring old man Mosely fight, I mean why oh why is he still getting big fights at this stage?
Because his name is Shane Mosley. If he can still fight let him fight, he beat Cano. That wasn't a big fight, nor was it a title fight. Khan vs. Mosley would be a good fight for TV. It wouldn't be on PPV and the loser has to retire forever. Sounds good too me.
You missed the bit about him turning up in the ring to lose as the 'paid opponent' and doing absolutely nothing!
Alvarez, Pac, Mora...absolute borefest stinkers!, this guy's past his sell by date and needs taking out of the game for the greater good of having entertaining, competitive boxing matches
Khans got a china pot chin waiting to be cracked but he will pepper and evade the snail paced Moseley all day long, plodding around the ring getting smashed in his nose
He should have retired a longtime ago
Surely there's a better fight out their for Khan
This is THE HORRIBLE POSTER Laced up terrible logic. He was all over Haye when he was struggling with monte barrett and Ruiz.
But ruiz and Audley were both 40 years old. Haye got rocked by ruiz whom wa sa near 40 year who was no where near TONY TA LEVEL, but also Ruiz wasn't that good in his prime losing to a steroid induced Roy jones.
Pulev who had a year and then some, schools a very game Tony T whom whd just beaten UK best propect at the time.
Yet Pulev been exposed???great logic.
What planet are you on? Struggled with them?
He smashed both of them to pieces and knocked them out!
Ruiz came out of retirement you idiot...he was pushing 40 and was inactive. That is science. You jacked off over that.
I said I predict that Sergey kovalev would go on to be the light heavyweight ever...its a prediction am I not allowed to make predictions..so far its looking good very early on in his career. Have you never predicted who win the premiership before a ball kicked?
I said its the best heavyweight division ever...people agreed with me and I gave the stats and facts of the sizes and weights, and all the new countries(including the eastern block and cuba) that now enter boxing..that didn't even exist in Ali and co era. Again they ae facts you cannot refute.
Pulev has been inactive for over a year against Americas best heavyweight in Thompson, whos just beaten Our best propect.
Now get the hell off my thread.
No everyone did not agree with you ya Jackass!
Better era, your almost as delusional as Carl Froch himself!
Haye wins by knockouts...that how he wins 90percent of his fights...Ruiz a 38 year old c level opponent, rocked haye and got a lot of jabs through.
Monte barrett haye got knocked down...
That to me is struggling against far worse fighters than Tony the Tiger...
I would agree that Tony the Tiger is better than Monte Barrett, Tony Thompson is a good win to have on your resume
A fight is a fight you cant expect a heavy weight not to get tagged a little bit with the exception of wlad Klitsh. In no way did Haye struggle whatsoever against Ruiz, he got off the more punches was more slick more active and let his brutal punching power go and beat Ruiz up like a ginger step child! As did he batter Barret too!
Toegate has rightfully turned people away from Haye but you can't deny his speed and his Powerful fists, for me is what HW div should be about, gotta love a puncher if only Wilder turns out to be the real deal!
That being said lets not get things twisted this is the heavy weight division and if your off Balance and 18 stones worth of punching power hits you it's to be expected for any fighter to graze the canvas even if Haye barely did!
Doesn't change the fact for me that outside of the Klitchsko's he's the next in Line I thought Chisora could take Hayes power just look at how he knocked him out! Could Pulev take that, now that is the question?
Tyson got schooled by Danny Williams whom Vitali beat to a pulp the next fight.
Tyson is no where near any of these guys, his best win are burbeck(who beat a zombie Ali) Spinks whom was a blown up Cruiser and Bruno(who would have been embarrassed by the Klitsckos)
Face it, the 60's and 70's were midgets compared to this era..and it was only Unathletic Americans, now the rest of the world fights...
Tyson was shot by then stop talking bollox, you could argue that the Klitschko's could do well in any era but the other guys Areolla, Fury Adamek would be laced out by even the Tommy Morrisons of this world! height isn't everything you know!
Well Bruno, Ruddock etc were decent boxers. But Bruno always struggled and Ruddock got knocked out by Morrison, Tyson and Lewis!
Today they would fare roughly the same!
I wonder what Haye, Fury, Pulev etc would think about KOing those boxers. Paycheck yes!
I cant knock your enthusiasm but you can't tell me prime Tua, ibeabuchi ,bruno, Mercer, Bowe ect would not lay bums like Tyson Fury and Areolla out?
Can't stand Mosley, I really hope not, always stinks the place out a boring fighter who's their just to collect his pay, getting fights he shouldn't be entitled to anymore and who has very little left in the tank!
I sincerely hope it is not him!
Cotto is PAC's leftovers and beat a poor blind unplastered version of Margarito and still looked vunerable at times.
At least Bradley is unbeaten and in his prime I would have preferred if May took Cinnamon or Martinez
Wilder has a leaky defense, poor technique, no footwork and a very questionable chin. I know this is a little outrageous to say but I think his power is over rated.
Wilder is going nowhere fast.
Agreed to some extent, yet he did a better job than Tyson Fury did with Firtha?
I try to like the very low weight classes but honestly it is hard to be excited for a fight when the guys fighting are the size of a high school girl
Agreed and whenever I've attended live fights they are always the undercard i dread and just want to get through as quick as possible as the chance of a ko is real slim pickings
Since Froch gave Ward the closest fight of his career (he only needed to win one more round and the fight would have been an official draw), if Groves was to somehow beat Froch would that make Groves the biggest threat to Ward at 168? I guess it depends on how he wins also but I don't think Groves beats Froch unless Froch gets old overnight.
Lets be honest, the fight wasn't even close, Ward completely dominated Froch , could never understand those scorecards
It did seem borderline illegal but like the others said. what happened with the Troy Ross Rematch? who USS conveniently avoided cos he was getting his ass handed to him by one of the unsung heroes of that division. Also whoever it was who said USS weren't hurt was wrong were you not looking at the screen when that body shot by fury made USS squirm leading up to the KO? He was a sitting duck towards the last rounds and it was a matter of time before he was taken out!
I think your comments are mostley accurate and fair only I had the kessler fight a draw, he deffo lost to Dirrel ignore Hickeys biased ways because if he watched that fight properly he could see Froch took a licking in the later rounds
He was lucky against Taylor deffo beaten by a landslide against Ward
He barley beat Johnson , he is no way an all time great
They only thing I disagree with is the man do deserve some respect as he will fight anyone, has the best chin in the business and has proved me wrong when he demolished Bute
To put things in perspective though for all the overhypers...Calzaghe made kessler his ***** and dominated him and that was kessler in his prime, froch arguably drew/lost to damaged Kessler
Respect is due just some overhype
I don't see the hype with this guy, nor how someone can possibly have him in their top 10 p4p.
The kid had terrible showings in a row:
He was getting schooled by Jermain Taylor until Taylor gassed out Froch luckily stopped him in the 12th with 16 seconds left. If Taylor would of survived then he would of beat Froch even with the knockdowns. That's how much he was ahead.
Then Andre Dirrell come to England and schooled him, had Froch looking like an amateur in there and even hurt Froch. Yeah Dirrell didn't fight the best fight, he should of stayed poised more instead of holding and using too much movement but if Dirrell was able to school Froch with a sh*t gameplan then that shows how much Froch actually sucks.
Next Kessler whoops him and takes his wrongfully earned titles from him, no surprise there. And at any place on this Earth, Kessler whoops Froch again.
Yeah Froch did beat the hell out of an uninspired Abraham, but so did Dirrell and Ward, that's nothing new, Abraham is the punching bag of 168.
Call me what you want but I scored the fight with Glen Johnson a draw. A draw with Johnson?! Wow.
He then goes on to get severely outclassed by Andre Ward, Froch was a sitting duck the whole time in there, he tried to come on strong at the end but still couldn't get the job done. And he thinks he found something new that could lead him to beat Ward? Give me a break.
And what does a win over 168 paper champ Lucian Bute mean? The guy fought nobody (except Glen Johnson who Bute beat much more thoroughly than Froch) and was already knocked out by Andrade.
How anybody can rate this guy even close to top 20 is beyond me. He's a joke.
116-112, 117-111, 114-114
117-111...hmmm yeah right, did you watch the fight? You probably genuinely believe Froch only lost 113-115 to Ward too? C'mon Weebler thought you were better than quoting boxrec?
Froch is a beast and great fighter but very limited skill wise, definetly a good smw champion but never an atg
He has grown on me over the years though, he is hard as nails, incredible chin
Does anyone honestly believe Fury can take Hayes power?
I'm shocked! This is the same guy who got floored by pillow puncher Neven Pajkic!
Can you imagine how much Haye will brutalize him!
Say what you want about Haye but hes a league above Fury look how he took out a Chisora who Fury went life and death with!
He couldn't do much worse than Macklin that is for sure. He will take Geales title, why wouldn't he want to unify?
Barker is injury free in the best shape of his life, his confidence is at an all time high and will be even higher when he stomps Geale. Hearn might not be keen on it but Barker is one guy who will not avoid GGG through fear.
He went to the U.S and fought Sergio when he was destroying everyone. Nobody wanted to fight Sergio who was walking through everybody until Barker showed he was only human.
GGG probably would stop him eventually but I certainly feel Barker has all the tools to give him one hell of a tough fight.
I have to disagree Barker is on par with Macklin talent wise and he would be brutalized in a very similar fashion, the person with the best chance out of the 3 brit mw's would be Martin Murray and even then I see a stoppage within 8 rounds for GGG