Troll thread, not in the slightest.
THE AVERAGE HEIGHT of heavyweight contenders seems to be 6ft 4/5+
and the average weight seems to be 230 pounds +
Compare this joe Louis whom was 6 ft 1, or a guy Ali nearly got koed by henry cooper, 6ft and 180 pounds. Im sorry these guys would get blitczed by the shear Athleticism of the Heavyweights nowadays.
Also boxing use to be a American only sport bar the odd randomer. Now its a world wide sport were every corner of the world competes.
The Cubans and eastern block(the best) could not compete in the pros until 1990.
This is the best era ever.
This era is fairly standard historically, only that current heavyweights are usually bigger than previous eras and therefore are slower and more cumbersome. The early 70s was the only great era of heavyweight boxing, every other era was very mediocre or poor in comparison to the other weight classes.
i swear the last great era was the late 60's and 70's , and some of the garbage that are heavyweights today should be ashamed of themselves. the conditioning on some of them is terrible and the look resembles more of a man vs food contestant than of a PRIME heavyweight contender/challenger.
I would make a case for the late 80's-early 00's as being a great time to follow the heavyweights.
There was Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Tua, Morrison, Ruddock, Bowe, Briggs, Mercer, Moorer, Rahman and many more.
That was a pretty stacked division for a while.
What if Dempsey had been born in 1985 instead of 1895?
There'd be a 205 lb. man delivering concussions to giants today.
dempsey's corpse would be a top 10 hwt right now if it was exhumed and it weighed over 200 lbs.
ok, i will admit, i went to boxrec to review jimmy youngs record,,,
we was like 6-4 in his first 10 fights,, but guys who beat him had combined records of 72-5,,, no one fights comp like that in their first 10 fights,,,,, then he went on a run and lost to ali, then another run beating foreman, then by the 80s he was losing to top prospects,, Ossie osscao was a legit guy in his day, and so was a young micheal dokes,,,,
Young's record is decieving, but he wasnt just getting outworked by random guys,,, fighting an 18-1 randy neuman and 42-2 ernie shavers is remarkable for a guy with less than 10 fights,,,,,,
the young that fought ali and foreman would beat everyone not named klitchko
Doakes was legit but Ocasio? No way. He is the definition of a bum. I saw his fight with Holmes (who came immediately after his fight with Young) and he was awful. It was a total shutdown and i know Holmes is good but this guy was terrible. B level boxer at most. Lossing to a guy like that just show you that he was not "above" the others contenders like the K.Bros are or Ali and Foreman were. It shows that he is another contender, a guy who wins some and losses some against the guys at the top. And NO, it has nothing to do with that "stacked division" of the 70' that people always praise because Ocassio was horrible and wouldn't be a top 10 in this era, i don't even think he was a top 10 in that era either.
About the 6-4. It was early but who were they? Most of them went nowhere. Another sign of someone who is a "contender" and wins some and losses some and not someone above the rest who had a lot of losses because he was in a "super stacked era" or whatever which is what people like to believe. The only one worth of notice is Earnie Shavers and Young went to a draw with him. Shavers was a huge puncher with very BAD boxing skills, if he wasn't being knocked out he should have been winning easily a decision like Holmes did. I mean if he was "above" the rest like the K.Bros are...
If he was in this era i think he would have been another top contender, with some wins and some losses against the other contenders. Nothing more, nothing less.
Like i said if so many bums could outworked him in the 70's and steal a decision from him, many guys could do it now. They don't even need to be that good to pull it off. Young gave away a lot of rounds in his fights due to inactivity, that's why he had so many close decisions in his career. Guys like Chakhiev, Chisora, Adamek or Arreola could have been able to outwork him and win a decision. Or maybe some of them wouldn't have been able to figure him out but i know that with the iregularity he showed in the 70's lossing to so many low level boxers he wouldn't have been able to be "undefeated" in this era and he would have lost to a lot of guys too.
ok, i will admit, i went to boxrec to review jimmy youngs record,,,
we was like 6-4 in his first 10 fights,, but guys who beat him had combined records of 72-5,,, no one fights comp like that in their first 10 fights,,,,, then he went on a run and lost to ali, then another run beating foreman, then by the 80s he was losing to top prospects,, Ossie osscao was a legit guy in his day, and so was a young micheal dokes,,,,
Young's record is decieving, but he wasnt just getting outworked by random guys,,, fighting an 18-1 randy neuman and 42-2 ernie shavers is remarkable for a guy with less than 10 fights,,,,,,
the young that fought ali and foreman would beat everyone not named klitchko
I disagree with your jimmy young opinion,,, who today would beat him besides the klits,,,
but i give you super props for the girls in your avi and sig,,,
I want to t^tty f^cK the hell out of them,.....
motorboat city
Like i said if so many bums could outworked him in the 70's and steal a decision from him, many guys could do it now. They don't even need to be that good to pull it off. Young gave away a lot of rounds in his fights due to inactivity, that's why he had so many close decisions in his career. Guys like Chakhiev, Chisora, Adamek or Arreola could have been able to outwork him and win a decision. Or maybe some of them wouldn't have been able to figure him out but i know that with the iregularity he showed in the 70's lossing to so many low level boxers he wouldn't have been able to be "undefeated" in this era and he would have lost to a lot of guys too.
Troll thread, not in the slightest.
THE AVERAGE HEIGHT of heavyweight contenders seems to be 6ft 4/5+
and the average weight seems to be 230 pounds +
Compare this joe Louis whom was 6 ft 1, or a guy Ali nearly got koed by henry cooper, 6ft and 180 pounds. Im sorry these guys would get blitczed by the shear Athleticism of the Heavyweights nowadays.
Also boxing use to be a American only sport bar the odd randomer. Now its a world wide sport were every corner of the world competes.
The Cubans and eastern block(the best) could not compete in the pros until 1990.
This is the best era ever.
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Troll thread, not in the slightest.
THE AVERAGE HEIGHT of heavyweight contenders seems to be 6ft 4/5+
and the average weight seems to be 230 pounds +
Compare this joe Louis whom was 6 ft 1, or a guy Ali nearly got koed by henry cooper, 6ft and 180 pounds. Im sorry these guys would get blitczed by the shear Athleticism of the Heavyweights nowadays.
Also boxing use to be a American only sport bar the odd randomer. Now its a world wide sport were every corner of the world competes.
The Cubans and eastern block(the best) could not compete in the pros until 1990.
This is the best era ever.
You obviously don't know sh*t about boxing.
SRR retired with only 2 losses (1 to Lamotta and 1 to Maxim in a fight he was winning and collapsed because of the heat) and he had like 145 wins or something. Then he came back and ruined his record but he was already old and fighting in a higher division. How many welters beat him in his prime?
Young had a lot of losses from the beginning of his career. He had a tricky style for some. He had a good night with Ali and Norton and people hype him up for that. He lost to ocasio (or something like that) who was a bum. He lost decisions to a lot of bums due to lack of activity, he wasn't as "great" as some people say.
Lost 19 times against nobodies in the 70', but you think that would be undefeated against the contenders of this era? Well, i disagree.
I disagree with your jimmy young opinion,,, who today would beat him besides the klits,,,
but i give you super props for the girls in your avi and sig,,,
I want to t^tty f^cK the hell out of them,.....
motorboat city
That guy had 19 loses...
Note: you can't judge a fighter just by his record (in Jimmy's case, he lost the most in the 1980's when he was washed-up), but what guys he shared the ring with and how the fights actually were.
He gave Ali and Norton all sorts of trouble, a soft-puncher himself he outmanouvered hardhitters such as Foreman and Lyle, and drew with Shavers.
Jimmy Young definitely doesn't deserve to be remembered for his losses, but for his skills and courage.
Anyone opposing this should step into the ring himself and do better.
Dont be fooled by boxrec,,,,,,, you obviously never seen him fight...
SRR had more losses,,, you dont think he would beat todays welters
SRR retired with only 2 losses (1 to Lamotta and 1 to Maxim in a fight he was winning and collapsed because of the heat) and he had like 145 wins or something. Then he came back and ruined his record but he was already old and fighting in a higher division. How many welters beat him in his prime?
Young had a lot of losses from the beginning of his career. He had a tricky style for some. He had a good night with Ali and Norton and people hype him up for that. He lost to ocasio (or something like that) who was a bum. He lost decisions to a lot of bums due to lack of activity, he wasn't as "great" as some people say.
Lost 19 times against nobodies in the 70', but you think that would be undefeated against the contenders of this era? Well, i disagree.
He would win against all the contenders of this era??
That guy had 19 loses...
Dont be fooled by boxrec,,,,,,, you obviously never seen him fight...
SRR had more losses,,, you dont think he would beat todays welters
Well Bruno, Ruddock etc were decent boxers. But Bruno always struggled and Ruddock got knocked out by Morrison, Tyson and Lewis!
Today they would fare roughly the same!
I wonder what Haye, Fury, Pulev etc would think about KOing those boxers. Paycheck yes!
I cant knock your enthusiasm but you can't tell me prime Tua, ibeabuchi ,bruno, Mercer, Bowe ect would not lay bums like Tyson Fury and Areolla out?
Tyson got schooled by Danny Williams whom Vitali beat to a pulp the next fight.
Tyson is no where near any of these guys, his best win are burbeck(who beat a zombie Ali) Spinks whom was a blown up Cruiser and Bruno(who would have been embarrassed by the Klitsckos)
Face it, the 60's and 70's were midgets compared to this era..and it was only Unathletic Americans, now the rest of the world fights...
Tyson was shot by then stop talking bollox, you could argue that the Klitschko's could do well in any era but the other guys Areolla, Fury Adamek would be laced out by even the Tommy Morrisons of this world! height isn't everything you know!
How do you think he would have faired in today's division,,
i think he boxes the ears off fury, povetkin, haye,, and would have the best chance of beating the klits....
He would win against all the contenders of this era??
That guy had 19 loses...
How do you think he would have faired in today's division,,
i think he boxes the ears off fury, povetkin, haye,, and would have the best chance of beating the klits....
I believe Klitschkos would have been too strong, but that he had the skills and capacity to handle everybody else.