so what if u say pac is not a finisher, he beats fighters down and takes their heart from them, i mean such a defensive fighter like clottey, when u have him saying in the corner ''he throws too many punches'' and seen clottey do the chicken noodle which nobody has stunned clottey like pac did....i hope you are not discrediting pac's credentials just because he doesnt fit your bill as a great finisher.....as far as im concerned, he finished hatton, de la hoya, barrera, morales, and more to come, if he fights margarito he will finish him 2......he's going to be an atg no matter how u judge.......ppl always try to find ''something to discredit''' or hate......if u fought him he would finish u the way u would want him 2 lol GUARANTEED
he never won his biggest fights...tito, mosley 2x, hopkins, mayweather, pacquiao, for whatever reason he LOST those fights, he is not an all-time great fighter in my book, but an all-time cash cow for sure.....he was overrated to me
so am i...i had enuff of pac vs mayweather...im more interested in their interim bouts now(who they're going to fight before each other), if mayweather fights cotto that would be an easy win for the 1541b and pac grabs a 1541b belt, then they can fight for in 2011...but as of now pac vs marg sounds interesting...LOL LMAO 2 yrs ago, marg vs pac was a super mismatch ala hoya vs pac...
definitely koing marquez today, bradley maybe, but valero hell no, Im so mad valero is dead, i was counting on his superstardom, pac would have passed the torch to valero in brutal exciting fashion....valero would have been a terror that nobody would want to fight...freddie roach is a lil delusional on the valero assessment
nah, that just shows how serious he is about every fight, i mean its been a while since the floyd fight, so hopefully he drained from 147 in a healthy way in which im sure he did, plus its not the first time he has weighed 133, i look at it like when bhop came in at 157 for the trinidad fight, some insiders thought he was too weak, it ended up he was too strong and that extra 3lbs under the limit helped him, so bak to marquez weighing 133, he should be ready to go for a 12 round decision
you are absolutely right..i suffer frm depression and always hide it...though i dont want to show it because its a sign of weakness when really its not..its a mental low that even the baddest man on the planet cant deal with..ppl just handle it in different ways...me im going back to the gym to deal with my everyday mental challenges...boxing is the only thing that humbles me and makes me feel like everything is ok...mental pain is far more harsh then physical pain
Like zab judah, i would have him change trainers or at least put his trainer second in command...he needs another look before he turns around and clicks his heels and checks his record and it has 4 or 5 losses...after his 4th loss, judah shouldve gotten another look...now pavlik needs another look...that plodding forward style needs some work...ITs plainly obvious he cant handle good slick boxers ala Felix trinidad :)
When i said that Mosley was OLD and past his prime in the fight with Floyd, i got all kinds of post saying that Mosley was NOT OLD, making Floyd's win against Mosley a great accomplishment !
Mosley is older than Floyd and went threw many wars... if Mosley is NOT OLD and still near his prime, how can Floyd be past prime... :thinking:
Opinion please...
Mosley is not old, its just that he can be outboxed like any other fighter on a good day...Mosley wasnt past his prime when he lost a very close decision to cotto, mosley can still fight with the best of them..and Floyd adjusted his style to do things he doesnt have to do anymore...when he was younger he was definitely more mobile but when ur smart in the ring u can do things and not do things to throw ur opponent off
old and past pime are 2 differant things..floyd clearly isnt physically prime anymore..and u cant call shane old coming off of his margo ko
I agree, if shane was old margarito should have Ko'ed him like EVERYBODY IN THIS POST THOUGHT, AND DONT LIE PPL, if margarito had beaten him they would have called him old back then...ppl are just waiting to call a fighter ''old'' once they past a certain age...shane is a throwback fighter, ppl forget that....since BHOp beat trinidad aside frm his wins he lost 3 times but yet ppl call him old with an asterisk..why because he stays in shape and he wins...do u think shane just sits around between fights...he is a gym rat just like bhop......I hate when the media says a fighter is finished after 5 or 6 losses...Back then fighters were fighting with 22 losses and still winning..i hate the media
Margarito would not become the man if he beats pac imo...if that happened he would lose his following next bout and i marg would move up one or 2 slots in my rankings maybe #4 or 5 if that happened
If pac loses why u say he would be overrated...it would just mean his streak ended...everybody's streak ends at some point...styles makes fights, if he stayed around for another 10 yrs do u really think he would all of them, somebody's style would catch up to him..but to say he would be considered overrated is a hater cheapshot and that would show how deep of a fan ur of boxing..u have to analyze the whole thing and stop following what ppl say...make ur own assumptions of pac...he's an atg, even atg's lose, he's been beaten b4 so its not a mystery, marg can take all of his shots but pac can angle marg all nite long with shots so i can c a dec for pac
His 1st 2 loses were early( he was a kid), last loss was to morales, not many ppl imo...to me his only loss that counts is the morales loss....if he was so beatable, why didnt it happen since the morales loss...dont forget he was the underdog in most of his huge wins
listen if the boxing media wasnt talking about cotto being shot, then nobody wouldve followed.....to say cotto was shot after 2 losses is dispicable...and to still say he is shot after foreman is really downplaying cotto and his respect....sure we will know for sure when he fights a marg, a pac 2nd time, or martinez or whatever....but i still see cotto in the mix like he was before fighting pac and after....Cotto maybe mentally a lil hurt but not shot....Though we must see how he fights backwards again...but make your own Valid assessments instead of FOLLOWING what others say like atlas, even steward, i hate when they talk prematurely about somebody's career....
no floyd wasnt ready for pac in march, not the other way around, even floyd couldnt believe pac's rise to greatness, ''nobody gets great after 25 yrs old'' he was scared, especially after coming out of a long break....he didnt want to risk it...trust me pac was well and ready...floyd just wanted to dictate to have an edge but now its in his court, will he play ball?
and wasnt Foreman too big for Cotto Blah blah blah......like De la Hoya was too big for pac right........Fake ass Assessment saying cotto is shot....the only thing that cotto still has trouble with regardless the foreman fight is speed, footwork, pressure.....though i dont think cotto is shot but i do think he loses by decision in a second pacquiao affair but not as badly as the first time...and with marg, he will have to be ultra offensive, defensive, and movement to beat marg.......even if they say marg hands were wrapped...(cotto's punches did nothing to stop margarito a bit in his tracks)...marg's head cant wear handwraps and with his offensive arsenal that can lead to another loss if marg comes in with the same mentality ''your punches cant hurt me''
if jcc can move n box all night then maybe he has a chance but once pavlik loads up on him its over, i dont think jcc can take pavliks punches..pavlik has power dont forget
mosley vs pac
By P.H. Burbridge
it is true that mayweather fought the way mosley likes and still lost. Mosley likes fighters coming to him, what will pac do? true, but the draw against mora should have gone his way, he pressed the fight...I can see mosley winning but ultimately pac can win it in 12 or by ko in the 9th or 10th in a good action packed fight...If shane loses this fight, he should just take a fight with jmm and retire or fight a c fighter win and retire
wont do anything, he's already considered an hof and all time great. he can lose his next 3 it wouldnt matter...rjj is still an all time great despite him fighting on...once legacies r set they r in stone
khan ducks prescott
seriously khan? Regardless if prescott is undeserving or didnt win his last bouts, khan should take this fight in a heartbeat and outbox him or try to ko his ass..This is REDEMPTION, khan thinks he is boxing's top star and he is not, his head got so big and he is officially ducking prescott, i dont care man, if somebody knocked me out a few years ago, after a few bouts and gaining confidence again, i would want to thrash him if the opportunity was available especially if he didnt look good in his prior fights, i would take advantage of that and kill him...KHAN take the fight and get your revenge, you are not boxing's prima donna yet so shake off the dust of prescott and move on dude, u sound like you are bloody scared mate
its interesting but i think bradley would intimidate paulie, though at the same time i think paulie has a good chance to outbox him with skills and movement
exactly, this is a poor thread, its like ppl now saying floyd didnt beat anybody of value, he beat many good fighters when they were undefeated and dangerous
mosley will win and make everybody look stoopiid
i dont know why ppl think mosley has no chance, styles makes fights dotto heads lol, mosley can stop him