. Calzaghe couldn't punch at the end
I don't have anything to offer on the topic of the thread, but it's interesting that Joe's remembered - particularly by American fans - as a non-puncher because of his hand problems. Prior to the hand injuries he was actually a big puncher and had serious power in his left hand.
So Lomachenko is just a shell of what he will be?
Lomachenko had 400 amateur fights, is 30 and has been fighting at 130. Joshua had 34 amateur fights, is now 28 and fights at heavyweight.
Comparing them says nothing about their respective primes.
Cheeseman aswell with Carson Jones. Its going to be an interesting year for his better prospects, theyre all entering that sink or swim period. I said in a thread last week, Hearn has a big test coming now, if he can turn these guys into big stars.
It's laughable the amount of stick Hearn gets for supposedly protecting fighters when he has actually been aggressive to the point of recklessness with Matchroom prospects recently. It will be interesting to see if this pays off in the long term; there's a balance to be found between developing for 25+ fights with squash matches against bums and fighting former world champions in your 6th fight.
I agree with the OP that Joshua is a bit away from his prime. So much is made of Wilder walking into a gym when he was 21, but Joshua only started boxing at 18 and only had 34 amateur fights before turning pro. Couple that with his relatively short cumulative ring time as a pro and I think it's completely fair to say he has a bit to go before peaking. He also actually demonstrates technical improvements from fight to fight.
That's a pretty dramatic step up for a sixth fight unless Molina is completely shot to ****. At the very least he is going to be awkward as ****, so it will be interesting to see where Kelly is.
He will likely get no punishment. USADA have accepted the tainted meat excuse for low levels of clen in cases where UFC fighters have been in China or Mexico. A fighter was recently suspended for 4 years for forging travel documents trying to make out he was in Mexico.
Warren isn't as savvy anymore. His man knocked someone out in 11 seconds in a world title fight. Hearn would never stop talking about that.
Warren is constantly moaning about the lack of interest and appreciation for Tete; he seems blissfully unaware that he is supposed to be promoting him :dunno:
If you are American, like boxing enough to be posting on a boxing forum, and are in any sort of reasonably decent financial situation , how the living **** could you not be paying 10 dollars a month for that amount of boxing content?
Don't really understand why you would have Joyce in a camp preparing for Wilder. He is slow as molasses and literally couldn't be any further from Wilder.
Because regular cable for espn and PBC on FS1 is $50, espn+ is $5, showtime is $11, and now DAZN is $10 let's not forget there's probable two big PPVs a year for $70 a piece which = $140. Oh let's not forget we need fast Internet to stream boxing now $50 minimum.
So yearly:
DAZN = $120
SHO=$132
ESPN + =$60
Cable = $600
Internet = $600
PPVs =$140
So if you're a boxing fan you're paying $1650 a year to watch mismatches and fighters duck the heII out of each other.
That is some imaginative budgeting! You forgot to add in the cost of the chair to sit on watching it, the electricity for your router, your rent/mortgage costs etc.
Seriously though your point is ****ing bizarre. Your saying it would cost 'x' to watch every single boxing product, which is basically irrelevant. If cost is an issue than that is only a further argument for getting DAZN, as you are getting 40 plus cards from GBP/ Matchroom plus the WBSS. That is a huge percentage of top level boxing out there for a fraction of your 1600 figure. If I lived in the US I would be starting from there and then picking the rest according to what I could afford.
I would take their roster over Hearns US roster plus they have actually proven they can build US stars and promote in the US market, fill US venues. Hearn is a total unknown with no US fighters and the one lure he had was DAZN and their check book. Well without that why not either sign with Golden Boy or try and make your own deal with DAZN going over his head like Canelo and Golden Boy did.
Because Hearn has a deal which gives him control over vast sums of DAZN's money. There isn't another spare 300 mill just sitting around for the next guy to come cut a deal. Matchroom US will benefit greatly from this situation.
Fielding doesn't use his size particularly well and Canelo will be too good anyway but I don't think he has any business at 168 regardless of how artificially inflated he can get.
I think Mundo would take Canelo's lunch money; he's just way too big with skill and fight IQ to go along with it.
Hearn will pay you more, promote you better and fight you more regularly. Canelo and GBP cards on DAZN just means more subscribers and eyes on the product. It's a massive boost for Hearn's attempts to attract fighters.
It's very noticeable though that there are zero details on the GBP deal outside of the Canelo figures. Makes you wonder what sort of rights fees were involved if there isn't even a peep about it.
I actually couldn't give a **** about the implications for Joshua/Wilder fanboys. If you are trying to argue that Ortiz is better than Povetkin you are off your ****ing head.
Idk that sharing an office should mean anything. I imagine Hearn isn't hear in the US all that much anyway. I'd assume he's gonna be consistently jetlagged doe if he is doing this still 8 years & further down the line & spending more time in his hotel room vs the office. The cricket guy probably gots an office there too.
It seems to be more than sharing an office is what I am saying; they seem to have significant overlap in day to day operations functions when it comes to boxing. They are building a boxing promotion and production business from the ground together.
We'll see what happens, but honestly I can't see any situation where DAZN sign another major deal with GBP without Hearn's involvement.
Today Hearn's telling the truth, yesterday he was lying.
Hearn has been talking about big names coming to DAZN for months & besides the WBSS which is a non-Hearn project he's not got anyone I'd really consider a big US name despite a few having some potential to being that in the future.
But I do find the remark that he's saying interesting cuz I do think if a major player comes to DAZN they are more likely to do their own thing vs sign under Eddie. People keep talking about this exclusive sh^t, but WBSS fights are already on DAZN so how exclusive is Hearn's deal reallllllllly? I say about as exclusive as Arum's deal with ESPN where Oscar's been doing shows during Arum's "exclusive deal" lol.
So basically I'll believe it when I see it. I still don't think it'd make sense for GBP to make a deal that didn't include PPV & DAZN doesn't have PPV. But then again maybe if DAZN's offer is big enough thats workaroundable. And I've speculated that perhaps a deal could be setup where DAZN gets GBP's roster + Canelo's lesser fights & Canelo will be allowed to fight on PPV for his bigger fights with DAZN getting some rights to those PPV fights after a certain period of time like a week after the fact. I think a lot of potential sh^t could make a lot of situations possible right now.
But if DAZN does get Canelo + the GBP roster I think they should see a nice lil bump in subscribers which is their real long game play not Canelo or GBP or Eddie or all the sh^t we mostly talk about concerning DAZN. DAZN is looking to be bigger than just boxing so its all a means to an end.
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I don't know how exclusive Matchroom's contract with DAZN is. Based on their UK business they have been very shrewd in tying Sky to an exclusive deal and any other promoters who want access to the platform have to go through Hearn. There is also the fact that they have consistently described the US project as a joint-venture, they share offices in New York and their staff appear to collaborate regarding almost all aspects of the boxing production and promotion. So from that point of view I don't think they have much to worry about.
But forget all that for a minute; say DAZN are free to make deals with any other promoters they wish. How much money do you think they are willing to throw into boxing exactly? The matchroom deal has been reported at a billion over 8 years. You think they are going to be willing to make a similar size outlay to secure another deal with GBP? That sounds completely beyond the realms of possibility. The big money that they will be playing with to bring big names to the platform will come from that Matchroom deal, so whatever way any relationship is structured it is going to involve Hearn in some capacity.
Not to his stable though lol. Oscar said he’s going to negotiate his own deal. So Hearn better not slip up or he’ll be pushed out the door
Hearn doesn't just have some bog standard rights deal with DAZN. Their US operations are effectively a joint-venture. I'd imagine Hearn is involved in any negotiations around boxing rights acquisitions.
This **** about Oscar going over his head and muscling Matchroom out is ****ing comical.
Then why does he have over a million followers on instagram? .
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That legitimately raised a chuckle. Joshua has 7.5 million followers so given how strongly you feel about Insta followers as a measure of popularity then an 88-12 Joshua split is the only fair compromise in this case! :lol1:
Well according to him he made initial contact with Eric Gomez sounding out about how it'd be good for them to be on DAZN.
If hearn was the one who initially said to them prior to Oscar meeting with John skipper that it'd be good for them to come to DAZN then I hardly think people here saying he's being moved aside or pushed out know what they're talking about.
Hearn is delighted with his life; he has Canelo on the platform without eating into his budget and has a much bigger carrot to attract other fighters to DAZN and Matchroom USA. It couldn't have worked out better for him.
It's all relative. He's clearly not mediocre among the current crop of heavyweights, but he's also a very limited fighter in many ways. I'm actually reasonably impressed with his ability to fight to his strengths and overcome his obvious shortcomings. McCracken deserves a lot of credit for taking him as far as he has.
I watched the fight, then came into this forum and it's like I walked into an alternate universe with people talking about how bad the scoring was. I'm not denying that Joshua looked mediocre, but he controlled this fight. Parker was coming up short with so many of his shots, and showed no urgency late in the fight. I scored Rounds 1-4 for Joshua, 5-6 for Parker, and after that I gave Parker just 1 more round.
I also have no idea what people were watching. I had no emotional investment in the fight either way, but Parker did next to nothing. I have no idea what the strategy was supposed to be. He spent the entire fight running from Joshua's right hand or winging bungalows at thin air from way outside of range.
Joshua didn't do much but he sat behind the jab and had complete control of 90 percent of the fight. I realise Parker couldn't deal with the size but he also seemed to have no coherent strategy to even try to do so.