Povetkin is better than Ortiz

If you think Povetkin was fat at the Olympics, then I think you need your eyes testing. He was trim and slender, not fat. He put on weight when he turned pro, but he is a natural Heavyweight. No way he's coming close to slimming his frame down to Lightheavy. He'd look like skeletor if he did and would be in no fit shape to fight. What has to be taken into consideration, is that the current heavyweight division is a lot different from the past heavyweight divisions, including the past amateur heavyweight divisions. The heavyweights today are MUCH bigger in size (weight, height and reach) on average than they were in the past. If you look at Povetkin, you'll find he's the smallest heavyweight today out of the other current top 10 heavyweights. His combination of height, weight and reach is smaller than that of any other top 10 heavyweight today. And then you look at today's cruiser weights. Most of them are as big as Povetkin in terms of size. And some are even bigger. These factors convinces me that Povetkin is much better off competing at cruiser weight, than at heavyweight TODAY. Especially considering he is smaller than all other top 10 heavyweight members and that most guys in the cruiser weight division are around his own size. He can get better competitive match ups in the cruiser weight division than at heavyweight against elite heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or Wladimir Klitshcko. I'm not claiming Povetkin can't beat good heavyweights. But my point is, at the elite / highest level, his lack of size will always be his downfall. Just like how Golovkin could beat some lower level light heavyweights like Vyacheslav Shabranskyy, Alexander Brand and etc. But his lack of size will pretty much always be his downfall at the highest level against elite light heavyweights like Sergey Kovalev, Artur Beterbiev, Oleksandr Gvozdyk and etc.

Yes, he was! He's ALWAYS been fat, even from his professional boxing debut bout. He's been carrying over 20 pounds of unnecessary / extra body fat / weight for years, which if he dropped, would've allowed him to make the cruiser weight or probably even the light heavyweight division. Even Oleksandr Usyk is physically bigger in size than Alexander Povetkin. That should tell you all you need to know about how small a 'heavyweight' Povetkin is, when even a cruiser weight is bigger than him. If Usyk carried anywhere near the amount of fat that Povetkin carries, he'd easily weigh 230+ pounds himself. All of that is academic, because Povetkin is still arguably better than Luis Ortiz. Despite his shortcomings in size. If you think Povetkin was fat at the Olympics, then I think you need your eyes testing. He was trim and slender, not fat. He put on weight when he turned pro, but he is a natural Heavyweight. No way he's coming close to slimming his frame down to Lightheavy. He'd look like skeletor if he did and would be in no fit shape to fight.

just shows you the continued poor state of the HW division when fans are arguing which 40 year old, that their favorite HW boxer beat, is better lol Yeah not sure what’s going on with us boxing fans.

Pov takes ONE tough shot and is finished. Ortiz took punishment, knocked down, got up and almost finished opponent. And got up from canvas 3 times. Povetkin is old and bony. Ortiz has meat around his chin and brain and can widthhold damage better. Ortiz is more dangerous.

Was Povetkin fat when he competed at Amateur level at Heavyweight? Yes, he was! He's ALWAYS been fat, even from his professional boxing debut bout. He's been carrying over 20 pounds of unnecessary / extra body fat / weight for years, which if he dropped, would've allowed him to make the cruiser weight or probably even the light heavyweight division. Even Oleksandr Usyk is physically bigger in size than Alexander Povetkin. That should tell you all you need to know about how small a 'heavyweight' Povetkin is, when even a cruiser weight is bigger than him. If Usyk carried anywhere near the amount of fat that Povetkin carries, he'd easily weigh 230+ pounds himself. All of that is academic, because Povetkin is still arguably better than Luis Ortiz. Despite his shortcomings in size.

Do you realize Pedvetkin has literally never knocked out a fighter ranked as low as Bryant Jennings, Stiverne, or Ortiz? Jennings was ranked in the top 4 and as low as #2 when he took Klitschko to a 12 round decision and scores of 116-111 on 2 judges cards. Stiverne & Ortiz were ranked in the top 4 when Wilder beat them too. The lowest ranked fighter Pedvetkin has fought recently was Takam 4 years ago and he was ranked like 10th lol. Huck wasn't better than Cunningham who already stopped him, wasn't better than Adamek who beat Cunningham, wasn't better than Jones, or Glowacki who would later stop him as well. Huck got a gift decision to Ramirez, Olafabi, and Arslan. The guy was the paper champion of cruiser and he took Pedvetkin to his limit, 0 wins over a HW btw. Scott beat the 10 count and was composed, the ref waved it off anyway. He wasn't shot either, he was just outclassed. Tony Thompson was still capable of beating 85% of the division including David Price whom Pedvetkin beat to earn a shot at AJ lmao. You keep trying to hype up these scrubs while downplaying the guys ranked ahead of them it's embarrassing. Ortiz hasn't knocked out Stiverne or a fighter at his level either. So I have no idea where you going with this. Jennings was ranked top 4 when he fought Wlad? Show me those deranged rankings that had this nobody that high? Stiverne's ranking was bull**** as well. How do you get into the top 4 when your biggest win is against a bum in Arreola who should never have been in the top 10 either? What did Arreola do to be a top 10 fighter? These are American rankings of bull****. They're just sticking fighters wherever they want to paint a different picture to what reality states. You're questioning who Povetkin knocked out, yeah? Who the hell did Ortiz knock out you idiot? Cunningham wasn't even in the division when Huck fought Povetkin, so again, you're wrong. Neither was Adamek. Do you know what, I've put up with your stupidity for far too long now. You're crazy deluded who doesn't even know what the **** they're on about. Bye.

Povetkin is an opponent, Ortiz is a contender. Far from great fighters but Ortiz will fight as proven vs Wilder. Ortiz brings some power and Povetkin does not! I'd like to see Ortiz vs Whyte, might be interesting. Ray

act like there is a glaring talent gap . agreed that is dumb and why Wilder-Joshua should fight. The resume gap is definitely glaring imo. I never really considered povetkin-ortiz. I'm drooling over that one, give me pov.

Ortiz has the higher KO % because he fights complete garbage. Povetkins opponents are like HOF's in comparison. Thinking anything else is delusional. With the bums Wilder fights, it's no surprise his connect percentage is high. It usually is when you fight garbage all the time. Maybe his windmill misses are counted as landed shots because of the wind generated? And Wilder is undefeated not due to him being so good, but due to fighting garbage for 40 fights. Most Heavies would be undefeated if they fought that dross. Huck was top 5 when he fought Povetkin. He was actually the number 1 at the time. He hadn't even fought Arslan by the time he fought Povetkin, so that's something else you're wrong about. And he beat Ramirez pretty clearly so no robbery exists there i'm afraid. Scott didn't start getting up until AFTER the 9 count was called. Go and watch the fight and see you're wrong again. Beating other shot fighters does not mean Scott wasn't shot himself. You stick two shot fighters in a ring together, one of them are going to win. Especially if they have more boxing ability which Scott had over those two. What part of Chisora beating a prime undefeated version of Scott don't you understand? It's pretty simple, but you're having serious trouble with it. The version Ortiz beat wasn't worth one f5ck. Do you realize Pedvetkin has literally never knocked out a fighter ranked as low as Bryant Jennings, Stiverne, or Ortiz? Jennings was ranked in the top 4 and as low as #2 when he took Klitschko to a 12 round decision and scores of 116-111 on 2 judges cards. Stiverne & Ortiz were ranked in the top 4 when Wilder beat them too. The lowest ranked fighter Pedvetkin has fought recently was Takam 4 years ago and he was ranked like 10th lol. Huck wasn't better than Cunningham who already stopped him, wasn't better than Adamek who beat Cunningham, wasn't better than Jones, or Glowacki who would later stop him as well. Huck got a gift decision to Ramirez, Olafabi, and Arslan. The guy was the paper champion of cruiser and he took Pedvetkin to his limit, 0 wins over a HW btw. Scott beat the 10 count and was composed, the ref waved it off anyway. He wasn't shot either, he was just outclassed. Tony Thompson was still capable of beating 85% of the division including David Price whom Pedvetkin beat to earn a shot at AJ lmao. You keep trying to hype up these scrubs while downplaying the guys ranked ahead of them it's embarrassing.

Yeah you are right, while that motherfucker was juiced to the gills. Therefore, that resume of his don't mean shit. The fact of the matter is, if the two were to meet in the ring today. Ortiz would fuck Povetkin up. That's right he tears his ass up. There's no way of getting around that fact. He simply has more in the tank than Sasha Povetkin does at the moment. Since Alexander is no longer doping or juicing he is now shot to shit. Wilder and Ortiz both would have brutally decapitated his ass on Saturday night. The best thing for Povetkin to do now at this point is to just retire for his own good before he gets seriously hurt. Yeah, Ortiz is the undisputed king of fantasy match-ups that's for sure. Reality: - UD Malik Scott - KO loss to Wilder - Stunk the place out vs a journeyman David Allen with 7 fights

just shows you the continued poor state of the HW division when fans are arguing which 40 year old, that their favorite HW boxer beat, is better lol

The only facts that count are that Povetkin has a much much better resume than Ortiz. Better wins, has held a belt before, had a gold medal, has fought at the top level since he turned pro. And Ortiz has done neither of those things.Yeah you are right, while that motherfucker was juiced to the gills. Therefore, that resume of his don't mean shit. The fact of the matter is, if the two were to meet in the ring today. Ortiz would fuck Povetkin up. That's right he tears his ass up. There's no way of getting around that fact. He simply has more in the tank than Sasha Povetkin does at the moment. Since Alexander is no longer doping or juicing he is now shot to shit. Wilder and Ortiz both would have brutally decapitated his ass on Saturday night. The best thing for Povetkin to do now at this point is to just retire for his own good before he gets seriously hurt.

Lol no he's not but nice try what he is though Is a 2 time drug cheat who never deserved to fight for a title again Uhhh, Ortiz was busted too...

NO hes not.

The only facts that count are that Povetkin has a much much better resume than Ortiz. Better wins, has held a belt before, had a gold medal, has fought at the top level since he turned pro. And Ortiz has done neither of those things.Yeah you are right, while that motherfucker was juiced to the gills. Therefore, that resume of his don't mean shit. The fact of the matter is, if the two were to meet in the ring today. Ortiz would fuck Povetkin up. That's right he tears his ass up. There's no way of getting around that fact. He simply has more in the tank than Sasha Povetkin does at the moment. Since Alexander is no longer doping or juicing he is now shot to shit. Wilder and Ortiz both would have brutally decapitated his ass on Saturday night. The best thing for Povetkin to do now at this point is to just retire for his own good before he gets seriously hurt.

you said aj is not ducking you were completely proven to be utterly brainwashed or biased, it simply cannot be denied mate Yeah the guy who actually wanted meetings, sent multiple contracts and continued to make offers is ducking for life. Mr “there’s no point in us meeting” and Mrs “I want 50/50 or no fight” clearly wanted the fight from the get go :lol1:

Wrong! Sasha was well past his prime when he faced Joshua as compared when Ortiz challenged Wilder. At least Ortiz outweighed Deontay by some 30 odd lbs and had him nearly out on his feet. However, the moment Joshua touch this small, shot, undersized, old guy he was finished because he had no chin, stamina, reflexes or balance. In addition, Anthony Joshua outweighed him by some 24 odd lbs to begin with. The only facts that count are that Povetkin has a much much better resume than Ortiz. Better wins, has held a belt before, had a gold medal, has fought at the top level since he turned pro. And Ortiz has done neither of those things.

Well let me ask you this question then. How many times do you think Povetkin probably was doping and used PEDS in the past over in that part of the world but has never been caught or popped? My answer is several but what say you? I never thought I would meet a fan, so in love wth a fighter that he’d accuse one fighters doping of being worse than another. You need therapy bro.

He didn't lose the 5th. If you scored that round for Ortiz you're an idiot.I never scored the fight so I'm not in the minority. I already tried to explain to you that the dispute was about the official scorecards. Not my scorecard. This response is so stupid that it's laughable. You claim Wilder lost every round and then say he only won the rounds with the knockdowns. If you're too dumb to see the contradiction in that dont bother responding to me after this. Your reading comprehension is shocking. I said he basically won all the rounds apart from the rounds Wilder knocked him down. Of course Wilder won those rounds. Care to give me your scorecard of the fight? You think Wilder was winning by the time the stoppage came right? So give me your break down.

You said Wilder didn't lose every round. But he basically did. A couple of the rounds went to Wilder due to the knockdowns, but outside of those rounds? Nah. So yeah, you're in a minority. If you're claiming otherwise, what was your score card after 9 rounds? He didn't lose the 5th. If you scored that round for Ortiz you're an idiot.I never scored the fight so I'm not in the minority. I already tried to explain to you that the dispute was about the official scorecards. Not my scorecard. This response is so stupid that it's laughable. You claim Wilder lost every round and then say he only won the rounds with the knockdowns. If you're too dumb to see the contradiction in that dont bother responding to me after this.