Eddie Hearn was involved in the Golden Boy/DAZN deal

Of course, but once the evidence was so overwhelming that the 50 million was real that even Hearn and AJ had to admit it was legit, what logical reason is there to believe the money wasn't real? Showtime confirmed it was. Showtime has put up the guarantees for the biggest fights in history. Of course they could afford to guarantee 50 million. Hearn only said he believed they was good for the money in the end, nothing on the deal. All the evidence is what people have said anyway so it's not necessarily true still?

That means absolutely nothing lmaooo. Tevin Farmer could of told Oscar the same thing but that doesn’t mean Tevin would of been responsible for Canelo signing. sounds to me Hearn was just trying to be involved 1. You've responded to a post 109 posts old in this thread because you want to pick something out in it . 2. Why did DAZN ask Hearn to increase the offer made to Gomez if he had nothing to do with it at all? It was only because GBP made it clear they wanted dates that skipper got involved with Oscar due to old ties from ESPN. This whole thread revolves around Hearn having nothing to do with GBP / Canelos deal with DAZN. He did. Whether you view it as bit part.. miniscule..large or somewhere in-between or simply as initial correspondence.. he did. Please don't drudge up my posts from days ago when it takes like..10 minutes to see how a threads progressed . It may save you the time of quoting me...

Well according to him he made initial contact with Eric Gomez sounding out about how it'd be good for them to be on DAZN. If hearn was the one who initially said to them prior to Oscar meeting with John skipper that it'd be good for them to come to DAZN then I hardly think people here saying he's being moved aside or pushed out know what they're talking about. That means absolutely nothing lmaooo. Tevin Farmer could of told Oscar the same thing but that doesn’t mean Tevin would of been responsible for Canelo signing. sounds to me Hearn was just trying to be involved

But just because Hearn said something it's not true right? Of course, but once the evidence was so overwhelming that the 50 million was real that even Hearn and AJ had to admit it was legit, what logical reason is there to believe the money wasn't real? Showtime confirmed it was. Showtime has put up the guarantees for the biggest fights in history. Of course they could afford to guarantee 50 million.

Finkel saying it doesn't make it automatically true. We know it's true though because Showtime, Joshua, Hearn, etc have all confirmed the offer was real. It would take a pretty big idiot to still believe the offer wasn't legitimate when Joshua and Hearn have already admitted it was. But just because Hearn said something it's not true right?

Sounds like he helped facilitate the deal in some way. Doesn't matter though....

All these Boxing Reports Radio Rahim, Marcos Villegas was at Canelo Ring P4P Presentation Last Night, can one of these Boxing Media guys do their job and just ask Oscar, Eric Gomez or whoever about the Role that Eddie Hearn played in this if any so we can move on and get back to talking BOXING. If I buy DAZN it is not to watch Eddie Hearn TALK that is for sure! If he played a pivotal Role then respects to him but John Skipper and Oscar relationship goes further back before DAZN and Eddie Hearn

Easy to find out if he is executive at DAZN USA https://media.dazn.com/en-us/key-people-2/

I meant DAZN but your next comment made it moot anyway. Damn, really, promoters? So HBO just had like a distribution license? So lets use Top Rank for an example. Their library that they sold to ESPN has all their fights regardless of the network the fight took place at. So they have SHO/HBO/ESPN/etc fights in their library. The network itself doesn't control the library. Now, I don't know if DAZN negotiated GBP's library when making the deal or not. Could have been a nice addition to the network as GBP has had some monster events/fights since the early 00s.

Do they have a back catalog? I'd imagine with HBO out of the game they'd be receptive to decent offers for their library of fights. Those are some big, big, fights that still hold weight on the open market. Does who have a back catalog? I believe the library of fights are owned by the promotional companies.

Wrong. It was all one answer from Finkel, but he was referencing two different things. First question:"Eddie said you accepted that offer and now you're not going to accept that offer. Can you tell me why that is?" First answer: "It's not true. We did not accept that offer, that's why the fight didn't happen. It had no address, it had no rematch clause, it had no stadium. And .. that was then, and we were doing that because we believed we could get that fight. Now we have another fight ...." Two months earlier: "We have agreed to the terms that Eddie has put out to us for a fight in the U.K. Deontay has accepted his terms to fight in the U.K.," Finkel said. "Deontay sent an email to Joshua night, and I sent one to Barry Hearn and Eddie telling them that we officially accept the offer to fight under the terms they gave us and to send us the contract." http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/23765083/heavyweight-world-titlist-deontay-wilder-accepted-terms-offered-fellow-titlist-anthony-joshua-promoter-eddie-hearn Second question: "Another thing that's been thrown about is that this fight (Wilder/Fury) was announced without a date and a venue. Eddie Hearn said that that was one of the sticking points of not making the Joshua/Wilder fight. Any comment on that?" Second answer:"There was no sticking point. We knew what the date was, we knew where we were going, we just didn't want to announce it yet." Two question, two lies.

I didn't say they did. But when they do they are saving a nice amount of money. And I suspect spending only $10 now for fights they aren't THAT excited about might get more people on board anyway just to watch Canelo vs trying to get people to pay $80 for an opponent they weren't invested in or respect enough as a Canelo opponent. For sure there is gonna be a learning curve for some people. They need to do some smart advertising/marketing to let people know how to watch Canelo's fights. Idk. I wouldn't necessarily say that, but I probably wouldn't wager they do have 1M subs in 12mos or less. But I'm still learning how easy or hard it is to acquire subs for these sorta platforms & I think at some point a critical mass is gonna happen with it & it'll change everything with live sports. I wouldn't bet on that happening within the next 12 months or anything, but it could if they (&/or others) can push this concept right or catch fire. I do know WWE Network has been around awhile now & have less than 2M subs last I heard. And Fight Pass has sh^t the bed for the UFC largely, but they've never really pushed that the right way & its just became a hardcore MMA service for the most part that is probably still losing money or just breaking even. So it'll be interesting to see what happens here either way. Ultimately I believe streaming is the future so for DAZN the question is gonna be will they be the ESPN of streaming sports or will they become a casualty. I think we are a long ways from knowing all that cuz as I see it this sh^t isn't even fully started yet. I was going to mention the WWE network. So ESPN+ barely went over the million mark and WWE network has around 2 million or so subscribers. I think it is unrealistic to expect DAZN to reach that mark with just boxing/mma as their two sports. To get to that mark, you will need more sports.

DAZN is actually great for casual fans. Specifically with Canelo being there now. If you were a casual Canelo fan you had to pay $160 a year to see his fights. Now you can just pay $20 a year. I'd really love to see how the subscribers go up or maybe not so much when Canelo fights. You'd think DAZN basically making Canelo a $10 PPV for fans would bump up DAZN's subscribers by a nice amount. Still gotta have some nice quality control with Canelo's opponents to insure you get fans interest & I'm sure Fielding won't be THAT big of a fight to most casual boxing fans, but when they do Canelo vs GGG III or Canelo vs Jacobs or Canelo vs Charlo I imagine they'll get an idea what sorta interest there is & how daring mfers are with trying out something new to watch fights. But casuals aren't tuning in to all of his fights. He only did 300-350k buys against Angulo/Smith/etc and did about 500k or so buys vs Khan. The million buys have only come from Floyd/JCC Jr/GGG. And again, those casuals usually throw fight parties which they may not if it is on DAZN and they don't know how to get it to their television sets. Canelo will no doubt increase the subscribers, that's not a question. But how much is. Don't think they are reaching a million anytime soon.

No.. you're misunderstanding .. Hearn absolutely had involvement in DAZN's end.. they asked him to. Skipper got involved because he knew Oscar.. just because Oscar dealt with skipper doesn't mean Hearn has been cast aside and userped, matchrooms relationship with DAZN extends long further back than the 1 billion dollar deal Right, but it seems like what Hearn was getting involved in at first to get Canelo isn't the deal GBP ended up with on DAZN. Skipper wanted to get Canelo, and DLH wasn't going to let that happen unless they got their own dates for their other fighters. So at that point DLH/GBP started to negotiate directly with Skipper. I mean what exactly is Hearn going to provide in those negotiations? When asked about Canelo's guarantees per fight he said he doesn't know and you would have to ask Golden Boy that. If you want to say Hearn had a role in starting the talks? Then sure, but as for the deal GBP got? Hearn wasn't needed and they made it without his involvement. Why do you think GBP wanted that out in every article then? What could be the reason for that? And John Skipper said this: John Skipper told me today that he essentially did not leave the Golden Boy office for 10 days, starting from October 2, until he got the deal done to put Canelo exclusively on DAZN, which was on October 11.— Sean Nam (@seanpasbon) October 17, 2018 So Skipper had been in contact with GBP since October 2nd. Hearn was saying they had dinner on Sunday or what not, but the deal was already supposedly done on the 11th. Something isn't adding up. But even if Hearn believes he was involved, clearly he is overstating it or GBP doesn't believe he was in involved all that much.

Not sure why you're quoting me. What are you going against with what I'm saying? I didn't say Eddie wasn't there. I just believe he's got a deal with DAZN that him doing anything he can do to help getting GBP on board is helping himself. I wasn't going against anything you said! I couldn't see the video and I was asking if this was what you were talking about. Somebody embedded it for me so I've seen it now. It's a different interview, but on the same subject.

Correct, what Hearn sat down with and was trying to hammer down is not what Golden Boy ended up doing. They instead of just getting a deal for Canelo wanted a deal for others to so they cut the middle man out and negotiated directly with DAZN. Hence, why it was reported by damn near everyone that Hearn wasn't involved. Make no mistake, Golden Boy was adamant to get this out to the public and that is why everyone reported that. I do wonder what Hearn was originally planning. To do some co-promotional deal on Canelo fights? To give two of his dates up to GBP for Canelo? No.. you're misunderstanding .. Hearn absolutely had involvement in DAZN's end.. they asked him to. Skipper got involved because he knew Oscar.. just because Oscar dealt with skipper doesn't mean Hearn has been cast aside and userped, matchrooms relationship with DAZN extends long further back than the 1 billion dollar deal

It is some IFL video not Fighthype. He wasn't clear but made it seem like he was trying to get a deal for Canelo, but said GBP was bringing the rest of the stable with them and if this was Joshua, he wouldn't need anyone else he would just make a deal straight with the platform. Watch the video and tell me if that is what you took away from it as well. That to me alludes to him originally just wanting Canelo and trying to cut some deal, but GBP then would want their own dates for their fighters so they got a separate deal for themselves with DAZN. Thanks for embedding the video for me. I think what Hearn's saying there is that he knew when he contacted Gomez about Canelo that he couldn't close a deal with them on his own, because they would obviously want to talk to DAZN themselves. He also says he knew GBP wouldn't do the deal on Canelo without getting dates for their other fighters too, which would all need to be negotiated with DAZN.

What you've done there is take the answers to two different questions and splice them together to make one answer to another question that wasn't even asked! Wrong. It was all one answer from Finkel, but he was referencing two different things.

If a million+ fans paid $80 for Canelo/GGG .. why wouldn't they pay $9.99 for Canelo/Anybody .. and stay to watch the other big fights that DAZN are going to be showing? I'm in the UK, and if DAZN was available here I would definitely be a subscriber. As for your last part, you are more than a casual fan. I subscribed the day it became available stateside but casuals only care for a few fights/fighters.

If a million+ fans paid $80 for Canelo/GGG .. why wouldn't they pay $9.99 for Canelo/Anybody .. and stay to watch the other big fights that DAZN are going to be showing? Because that fight also involved GGG and was the biggest fight in boxing? Because a solid chunk of those buyers don't know how to bring DAZN to their television sets? Because they don't want to continue paying $10 bucks a month for boxing when they see just casual fans? Boxing isn't a big enough where you can just guarantee a million subscribers. What I recommend is what WWE does with their PPVs. They allow you to purchase it from your cable/satelite station for those who don't have/want the WWE network.