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Concerning speed, it's a tough call but Rigo edges it in the power department. I can see Loma's punch output dropping for this fight. He's won't be able to use his feeler combinations to set up his big weapons. Rigo will punish Loma by countering any lazy punch coming his way. I think Loma's speed is partly attributed to his fast footwork. He gets himself within range in a flash and thus shortens the travel distance of his punches. Oh yeah, I see it a mile away. Loma going to keep those hands more at home for sure.

Never understood this question tbh I always just think of Muhammad Ali (then, 22 years old) stepping up to Liston. If you got the boxing ability, you should be okay. And the thing is, these guys are athletically at their peaks around 20-25. Scientifically your body starts to decay at 25. (correct me if I'm wrong.) So by 'stepping up' I am sure you mean: by taking a risk? It's never too early if you're going out to take names.

Stay in school. I think Mathew Macklin graduated from a uni and he was a pro boxer. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Boxing is a business. So those people that don't have respect for you, peers and all are mainly the individuals responsible for your own success. You're not a one man island and in your early 20s it's easy to think you would conquer the world by yourself. Just train boxing after , and if the coaches see you have talent. All good for you.

Deontay Wilder had his first amateur fight at 19, 20 & he went to the Olympics, picking up a medal & is currently one of the HW title holders. Anthony Joshua had his first amateur fight at 18 & he won a gold medal in the Olympics & is currently considered one of the most marketable guys in sports (not just boxing) in the world (not just the UK). And those are just the great late starts currently boxing. There are plenty historically & there are far more who had lesser, but still respectable success with getting into boxing late. I'd also add for all the people talking about late starts in amateur boxing = failures in the pro game are right on average, but most stories of amateur boxers are stories of failure. We've all seen Gold Medalists in the Olympics with hundreds of fight on down not move into being a solid pro let alone good or great. Men & women who work hard & dream big f#ck up rules like late starts in boxing = failure, along with many other "rules" they break. Idk if the OP is that type of man...only he knows it...and f#ck maybe he doesn't even know what he's truly capable of yet like I think many of us aren't to one degree or another, but he should definitely steer himself to his own desires & dreams & not the desires & dreams of others cuz "its what people do". This is very true. Just because you start at 5 years old doesn't mean you have the biggest advantage in boxing. I've been driving for about 10 years. I'm sure as sh*t not an F1 driver. Boxing like other endeavors is about you asking the right questions. You have to have your own niche, and find your own buoyancy. No fighter is the same :-)

Had him winning the first fight close. knew he would lose the second, and he got Tko'd. In all future fights Andre will just beat him. It's just character. This guy's ego is so high up his arse that he cannot see how his style needs much improvement. He ignored good advice from his ex coach and claims to have gotten to where he's at because of himself solely. Andre Ward is just more of a humble, eager to learn type of guy. With the correct mindset of an ever expanding athlete and fighter. And it shows in the ring. He'll adapt and do what he needs for the W.

Making excuses already for when the Judges robbed Rigodeaux. Because Lomachenko isn't going to want to fight once he feels Rigo power. Waited for that too. Loma cool and always clowning on his competition. But once his punch output shrinks drastically, I'm going to laugh. 5'4 Rigo

By everyman i meant to say everyone that is capable of committing themselves into some kind of physical actives. Do you have to be naturally talented/gifted to become a good boxer? (For example into the professional theme) Is there certain disadvantages that put someone super far worse off than the others?(bad reach) Is dedication and hard work all it takes? (if a couch potato stood up can he do it if he has the dedication and sticked to it?) This person wouldn't be a couch potato. But boxing is no different from any other endeavor. Let's just say if you want to be a doctor-- you can be. But to be those 5% of elite doctors it takes more than just yourself. It's the circumstance the world places on you to be the best. Perhaps you have one more essential question thrown at you in a dream that makes you better than all the other regular doctors. Who knows? Winning doesn't have a formula. You can't replicate it from anyone. I can't be a Floyd, or a Warren Buffet. You just got to take your chances. Hard work isn't exactly winning, so hard to say.

Four gold medals in the ring. Going to be a good boxing match. Siding with Rigondeaux :boxing:

I don't know how Canelo is regarded to have higher ring IQ and more defense and elusive style. Canelo is not as efficient as Golovkin and as a counter puncher-- he's pretty much out of position when countering. As Teddy Atlas pointed out, in a defensive state Canelo does make a lot of critical errors that would put him flat on his back. GGG is not off balance either in defensive or offensive mode as much as Canelo.

wheres this 'ggg doesnt like it to body' stuff come from all of a sudden? Let me guess, kovalev didnt like it to the body, golovkins european too, so golovkin doesnt like it to the body either, sound logic there... Watch the Jacobs' fight. Dude would eat clean straight shots to the face, via jab or when Jacob was in southpaw with the left hand. But none of that really had him psychologically and physically bending. Jacob finds him to the body sometimes and naturally he takes a step back or whatever. Jacob's feints to the body -- dude is straight up in a ball. Elbows to the knees type reaction and timid. So I figure he has issues with body shots. But I mean it doesn't matter. Canelo doesn't have the reach or foot work to even position himself to get to GGG's body whatsoever. Like I said before, GGG isn't Lara flicking a lazy jab to set up his back hand. He isn't a Cotto with T-rex jabs. And he's not a Joessito Lopez. Getting to GGG's body is going to be proved as challenging as reaching Mayweather's body imo (different styles I know)

Just like anything else in life. There are many doctors who did all of their medical studies but still suck. Only top 5% contribute to new medicine and technology. The rest just hold knowledge of which they cannot really apply. Or their mindset and philosophy is hampered by any personality flaws humans withhold. You've been driving for what? 5+ years? But you're not an F1 driver, now are you? A lot of times it isn't how hard you work, or how much you know. These general people work hard, like you posted, but they do not achieve. The results just aren't there. No matter how hard you work, you can be totally misguided in how you set a foundation and everything.

I don’t expect that. I think this fight going to put Canelo way up their in terms of accomplishments. Kovalev is so good at boxing that I think Canelo is taking too much of a leap if anything. As much as everyone has Canelo beating Kovalev. I wouldn’t be surprised if Canelo gets tkod with amount of jabs to the face he’s going to take from someone who is significantly bigger.

If this is at 175 without many stipulations. I'm surely betting on the old man Kovalev :boxing: Unbelievable odds. I think if Canelo was as skilled Loma, I still wouldn't have him going up to 175 to fight a killer like that. Canelo probably got a lot of experience baiting GGG's jab and all. But with Kovalev, you just can't make a single mistake.

The technique is the technique; get it perfect, so that you couldn't miss it if you tried, and then take that technique into the fight. If you throw a left hook perfect on the mitts, and then **** it up in sparring because you're working with a different style or **** sparring partner, that work won't help you in the fight. That's why you drill with actually good/active mittwork. Get the technique perfect, and then program in all of the proper responses into muscle memory. You're throwing a right hand, hook, right hand, and you drill all of the ways you could get to that shot; catch on the glove before, catch on the shoulder before, slip the jab before, cut the jab with your own before, etc. Some sparring could help confirm that the programming is done properly, but you might not need 100s of rounds of sparring. That's the chance Tunde Ajayi, Anthony Yarde, and his camp have taken, and it was almost good enough to have Yarde knock out Sergey Kovalev in the 8th round to win a world title. Yarde was missing a touch of experience at the top level, but he wasn't really missing anything that he could've picked up getting his brains beat in during heavy sparring in his pro career. Look I'll be real. No professional boxing guy will give you a perfect hook in a fight lol. No matter how graceful your technique is, driven from the ankle to capture the perfect space moment of kinetic energy. His drill system failed him in the fight quite glaringly. Because its based on an optimal world(lala land)... that that's just where it ended. Yarde won 1 round maybe at the beginning and was out of range absorbing jabs while trying to counter with a left hook. 6 rounds of that! By the 7th he finally took a different approach to slip to the inside giving Kovalev some uncertainty with the newly added slot. And then Kovalev stopped throwing his jab, took body shots and then got to be "almost knocked out". Swimming in Olympics: the difference in determining winning from losing on average is 3 strokes... water boils at 212 degrees F not 211. An almost knock out, while suffering a jab knock out and doing so by thoroughly being out boxed isn't a close fight. There wasn't even a knock down, so almost for me is a stretch. By round 9 Kovalev had adapted by putting together right hooks to his body and face every time Yarde came to the inside. After that the fight was over. Couldn't beat Kovalev on inside or outside range in any trade.This was because his coach's system only works in a perfect world. Kovalev isn't perfect, in fact his responses aren't always optimal. But he's a better professional all around. He can deal with the reality of solving problems in real time. Not by imagining and having a predetermined solution to a fight. That's rigid, and why you'd have Yarde trying to counter aimlessly for 6 rounds LMAO Because he was already thinking in a biased manner, that "this left hook will solve my jab problems", but reality didn't play out that way. He had a perfect hook for a couple of rounds, probably didn't get to factor in fatigue and punishment to the equation though.

No it's just a style contrast. GGG has better balance therefor making him sturdy, he's very strong with his stance and footwork positioning and can shoot out hooks well. Keep you off balance inside and outside because he leans and as much as other don't like to say it, has a lot of good defensive skills. But Kovalev just has a different style. He can utilize a jab for 12 rounds and keep you at the end of him unless you're as good as Ward and can adapt a bit. And he has so much craft with a jab that it's pretty much impossible for 95% of boxers to solve that riddle. And he'll break you down. Doesn't need to do a lot more than that. Doesn't need to have defensive prowess or great footwork because as I said he'll keep you at the end of him if he wants. I think in terms of results, they are about the same, both really damn good.

You can do drills all of the time. But when you can't adapt to the certain variations of another human being thinking and punching you, you will have a hard time adjusting to the reality. Throwing a left hook perfectly is great in practice, but as soon as the moment comes when that left hook is supposed to shine life gives you touches of the opposing glove, or misses. Things can mentally turn grim pretty quickly. When you don't have confidence and when you don't hit those mental road blocks of a real world fight. Sparring isn't to practice all techniques, it's to understand the nature of what is given and you're simulating those moments and decision making processes while adjusting to all sort of possibilities and variance.

This applies to the offensive side too. Lack of understanding boxing fundamentals and physics. GGG positions himself well to have opponent throw unleveraged punches as well. So a lot of those combos that land on his head are all really just flashy non-effective punches. When coaches say Canelo is a slapper, it just means he chooses to not use kinetic energy. So when I read how Canelo has 'more' skills. I think in what department. If he was more efficient he'd work for 12 rounds.

You can just see from Canelo's frame he isn't genetically superior than GGG, not in terms of muscle mass-- skeletal structure. I kind of figured he was on something to hang in there for 12 rounds against GGG.

Pretty sure if I ate 20 pounds of beef I wouldn't consume enough Clenbuterol to trigger the thresholds of the testing organizations.

Golovkin going to find it easier to just build pressure such as was the case in the first fight. Canelo just lacks the depth, intelligence and power to really carry himself against GGG.

Score all landed blows, an amateur system way. Points Doesn't matter in regards to fighters overall intention and stratagem. pretty much everything is irrelevant beyond it. Whether it is ring control or any of that, aggressive/passive posturing. That just all part of styles. Things like cleaner blows, is way beyond me since there's no objective measuring gauge as to what is even effective per fighter. Goes under all intention etc. only way to win is K.O and points. If the fighter was an aggressive one with higher density in his punches but doesn't out land his opponent he deserves to lose. He didn't get the k.o etc. Overall strategy failure i.e.

so if fighter one lands 100 jabs and fighter 2 lands 20 jabs, but 50 power punches, and fighter one gets knocked down, who wins? going off points will suck a lot of fun out of the sport as you'll just have giants like Tyson Fury standing and hitting with a jab and thats all. Again, what? well adding knock downs and all remains the same. Scoring a boxing match = easy. What people misunderstand is because they involve it as a 'fight'. Look at damage results etc. The damage should be looked at after the contest is done. In your example if a guy can still throw 100 jabs while taking a beating, he'd be the winner. with the knockdown score you'd have number 2 winning the rounds though.

Canelo about to be out hustled once again by an old dude.

Honestly if we could just boycott Davis from now on. That way this doesn't become a "big" money fight 15 years from now after all of the ducking. Let's not even watch to see him lose against all of the "young hungry lion" people. Say no to this formula boxingscene please.

fluke event. I doubt the current gen of youtubers are going to keep putting money for celeb fights seeing how god awfully it was reviewed. Honestly, I was surprised how the crowd can react to just about the worst punching technique and highly ineffective slaps. Like having a beginner swimmer react in deep waters. Worst display of emotions, IQ and everything. Worst fight I've seen by miles too.

Facts. There's absolutely nothing more American than not paying your taxes.

Canelo the only 28 y/o elite fighter in his prime to get outlanded total punches by a 36 year old. And then supposedly 'dominate' him by winning a round. :rofl:

For me it’s not a one size shoe fits all type of argument. You can see how Virgil with ward was a fabulous duo. But if you see the rest of the stable, the fighters regressed if anything. Abel teaches you how to punch. That’s a mighty good trainer since a lot of boxers don’t really punch that well to begin with. So with GGG he was actually coaching him well in the corner vs Canelo. Told him to move to the right a bit and he had more success connecting the right hand later through the fight. A coach won’t win a fight for you. Coaches can only tell you to move left or right from the corner and the rest is in your experience, IQ and identity as a fighter.

That is a good observation, they have all the moves 'But lack creativity and mathematically tactics inside of the ring'. A fighter with high ring IQ, will not really need to be told what to do? It will come natural to them, just like certain snooker players can envision 2-3 shots ahead in the game 'Ronnie O'sullivan was once described to have this ability' Fighters such as Mayweather, Hopkins even Roy Jones could predict what moves and tactics their opponents where going to use. 'Fighters such as Chris Eubank Junior REACT to things what happen to them inside of the ring'. It is this ability to almost warp time inside of the ring, was the attribute basically that made fighters psychologically give up against Floyd Mayweather 'And fall into a routine of implementing the same moves continuously' I have seen no fighter since his retirement who has this ability 'None'. Anthony Joshua's Ring IQ has greatly improved, but that has been through pure diligence to improve, it honestly does not come natural to him 'You can almost see him thinking inside of the ring'. Tyson Fury's ring IQ is overrated also, Wladimir Kiltschko would of beaten him in the rematch, Fury at elite level thus-far has been a one trick pony. 100% true. Yes folks like Eubank Jr react inside the ring. Floyd Mayweather sets the tone to condition habits and therefore can make “predictions”. I wouldn’t say make a prediction, he just gives what you want to see in order to convert it into a winning situation for him through ingenuity. Having a real time perspective of what will physically occur in real time is a god given gift to an extent because there aren’t many objective and realistic fighters to do things of solving problems quickly. It requires much awareness. I like this post.

9/10 I think if you compiled the numbers of output punches and how many punches he blocks or slips. The fraction would be higher than a lot of boxers in the elite scale. He's a risk taker without that many risks. Each punch in boxing is reciprocal in nature. There's no such thing as having a jab released and defended at the same time. Pushing weight back after pushing it out isn't faster than your opponent countering you( him pushing weight out) no matter how much coaches suggest that "putting your hands up while punching is defense". It's defensive responsible. But each punch out is completely reciprocal.