Excuses for when golovkin loses thread

I pinpointed the years ggg hired Sanchez which is 2010. Up until that point, for his whole pro career, ggg was just floating around gyms without any real guidance. He became a completely different fighter in the years to come. You keep trying to compare ggg to completely different situations, everyone's is unique some athletes do peak at later ages and ggg is one of them. He wasn't like an Ali or Tyson that both had trainers from the get go. Hopkins himself brought in different trainers throughout his career to learn from. Even a guy like Maidana became a different fighter after all the wars he'd been in when he hired Garcia. Trainers improving and transforming fighters at any age is more common that you think. As are fighters in their "prime years" struggling to sub par competition which I provided many examples of. Even a 27 year old Mayweather got put on queer street by Corley, Demarcus Corley! Do you even remember him? You think he's as good or as dangerous a puncher as Pac, Cotto, Alvarez, Maidana? How could he do what they couldn't? Fighters get better with experience period and ggg lacked that. Completely irrelevant. The prime physical age for humans doesn't change. I'm sure LeBron James is smarter today than he was 10 years ago, but he's not the athlete that he was 10 years ago. And bringing up guys getting challenged in their 20s is supposed to mean what? YOu make the mistake of assuming that guys are going to blow away everybody that they're better than. Lomachenko didn't blow away Salido even though he was a way better fighter. Sometimes styles make fights. Do we know that a in his prime Demetrious Corley wouldn't have made 36 year old Mayweather struggle? No, we don't. Maybe his style was just a bad style for Mayweather. Maybe fighting a past his prime Mayweather would've resulted in an upset or an even tougher fight Maidana was never in Mayweather's class, but he gave May fits because his style was a bad style for Mayweather.

Olympic medals mean nothing in the pro ranks, the pros are entirely separate from the amateurs. There are almost NO prime fighters in the amateurs, it's 99% inexperienced developing fighters. I never said ggg couldn't turn pro, I said he wasn't ready for the elites. You can literally see a difference of ggg before and after Sanchez. Ali had Dundee from the beginning, ggg didn't hire Sanchez until 2010. ggg's 350+ amateur fights, being a 30 year old man, could barely get him by a guy not even ranked in the top 15 of his division. So despite his age, you still think GGG is in his prime? Could a boxer becoming a pro at age 36 be in his prime at age 46?

Judges rob him again, its not an excuse because the judges already did rob him of a win last time so I don't see anything changing here.

What the hell are you talking about? So multiple olympic medals doesn't count? Also when the fúck do you suppose he could have started his professional career? Newsflash idiot, he had to literally move across the world to become professional. You know that Germany is not next to Kazakhstan right? You do know that they don't even speak the same language? You know that there wasn't a professional scene in Kazakhstan, right? Olympic medals mean nothing in the pro ranks, the pros are entirely separate from the amateurs. There are almost NO prime fighters in the amateurs, it's 99% inexperienced developing fighters. I never said ggg couldn't turn pro, I said he wasn't ready for the elites. You can literally see a difference of ggg before and after Sanchez. Ali had Dundee from the beginning, ggg didn't hire Sanchez until 2010. ggg's 350+ amateur fights, being a 30 year old man, could barely get him by a guy not even ranked in the top 15 of his division.

Completely different careers. ggg did not step up in competition until he was in his 30's. Took him significantly longer to reach his prime. What the hell are you talking about? So multiple olympic medals doesn't count? Also when the fúck do you suppose he could have started his professional career? Newsflash idiot, he had to literally move across the world to become professional. You know that Germany is not next to Kazakhstan right? You do know that they don't even speak the same language? You know that there wasn't a professional scene in Kazakhstan, right?

So if a fighter does poorly in one of his first 20 fights, he is not good? Somebody better tell Muhammed Ali. His fight against Doug Jones wasn't good. Or the time he was knocked down by Henry Cooper, who was probably ahead on the scorecards at the time. Completely different careers. ggg did not step up in competition until he was in his 30's. Took him significantly longer to reach his prime.

Idk, not as high as Spence, or even Brook for that matter.. So if a fighter does poorly in one of his first 20 fights, he is not good? Somebody better tell Muhammed Ali. His fight against Doug Jones wasn't good. Or the time he was knocked down by Henry Cooper, who was probably ahead on the scorecards at the time.

What was GGG ranked at the time of figthing Ouma? Idk, not as high as Spence, or even Brook for that matter..

Yes. The key difference is Brook-top 5 at welter and Ouma a that time was ranked around 15-20 at 160, possibly higher due to his 2-5 record in his last 7 fights. Spence is also 2 years younger than ggg was at that time and is fighting better opponents. Different career paths, Spence's progressing significantly faster, he fought Brook at 27, ggg 33. What was GGG ranked at the time of figthing Ouma?

GGG stopped Ouma didn't he? Yes. The key difference is Brook-top 5 at welter and Ouma a that time was ranked around 15-20 at 160, possibly higher due to his 2-5 record in his last 7 fights. Spence is also 2 years younger than ggg was at that time and is fighting better opponents. Different career paths, Spence's progressing significantly faster, he fought Brook at 27, ggg 33.

He stopped him didn't he? I guarantee you that fight made Spence a significantly better fighter as well. Like I said earlier, you're only as good as the man you beat. You get better in the pro game by actually testing yourself, learning from your mistakes and correcting them. The better your competition, the more mistakes you make, the more you learn, it's simple. GGG stopped Ouma didn't he?

Did Spence beat Brook? He stopped him didn't he? I guarantee you that fight made Spence a significantly better fighter as well. Like I said earlier, you're only as good as the man you beat. You get better in the pro game by actually testing yourself, learning from your mistakes and correcting them. The better your competition, the more mistakes you make, the more you learn, it's simple.

28 year old ggg was a lost fighter without a dedicated trainer. He was gym hopping going around without anybody there to guide him. Why would he hire Sanchez in 2010 if he thought he didn't need help? Why not keep doing what he's doing if it got him that far? The reason is because he knew he'd lose. Sanchez made ggg the fighter he is today, period. Not much different than most fighter-trainer relationships except his came much later in life. And jet lag lmao, Ouma was an older, shot fighter, ggg was a younger, inexperienced fighter, jet lag would have more an effect on Ouma and at worst they were on a level playing field. Did Spence beat Brook?

Gennady Golovkin may have not been shot in his last bout, but he was CLEARLY past his absolute best. And whether having jet-lag took more of an effect on Kassim Ouma or not, doesn't still change the fact that Golovkin himself also had jet-lag. Ergo, he couldn't perform at his absolute best = nothing to do with age but to do with having jet lag as the cause of his slightly lower level of performance than what he is usually capable of producing. Someone being in their 'prime' or 'peak' doesn't mean they aren't immune to occasional bad performances for various different reasons and factors. Such as health factors, environmental factors and etc. Gennady Golovkin with 350 amateur bouts had already seen every style there was to see. He was ready to fight the elites but most, if not all were ducking him when he was at his prime. With 20 pro bouts, Golovkin was already prepared to compete at the highest level. 28 year old ggg was a lost fighter without a dedicated trainer. He was gym hopping going around without anybody there to guide him. Why would he hire Sanchez in 2010 if he thought he didn't need help? Why not keep doing what he's doing if it got him that far? The reason is because he knew he'd lose. Sanchez made ggg the fighter he is today, period. Not much different than most fighter-trainer relationships except his came much later in life. And jet lag lmao, Ouma was an older, shot fighter, ggg was a younger, inexperienced fighter, jet lag would have more an effect on Ouma and at worst they were on a level playing field.

Dude, GGG had over 300 amateur fights before he became a professional. You act like comparing GGG to the greatest fighters of all-time somehow makes your point it doesn't. Look, some guys are Tom Brady at 40 (who's still in decline), but that doesn't mean that the overwhelming majority of 35 year olds can perform at that level. I posted scientific studies proving that athletes are in their physical prime in their late 20s. I don't know what to say other than that. There is not such thing as a "young this" or "young that" or you'd see people taking up boxing in their mid 30s becoming world champions, which you don't. The human body generally functions the same way in 99% of people. Only GGG haters can't see that. You never heard me say that. I can't think of but a few athletes in the history of sports who I'd consider "in their primes" at 35, out of 100,000s of athletes. Not Michael Jordan, not Muhammad Ali, not Jerry Rice, not Floyd Mayweather, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, or anybody else I can think of that isn't a heavyweight or just a freak of nature like Bernard Hopkins or something. Is GGG a freak of nature like that? Not from anything I've seen from him. I pinpointed the years ggg hired Sanchez which is 2010. Up until that point, for his whole pro career, ggg was just floating around gyms without any real guidance. He became a completely different fighter in the years to come. You keep trying to compare ggg to completely different situations, everyone's is unique some athletes do peak at later ages and ggg is one of them. He wasn't like an Ali or Tyson that both had trainers from the get go. Hopkins himself brought in different trainers throughout his career to learn from. Even a guy like Maidana became a different fighter after all the wars he'd been in when he hired Garcia. Trainers improving and transforming fighters at any age is more common that you think. As are fighters in their "prime years" struggling to sub par competition which I provided many examples of. Even a 27 year old Mayweather got put on queer street by Corley, Demarcus Corley! Do you even remember him? You think he's as good or as dangerous a puncher as Pac, Cotto, Alvarez, Maidana? How could he do what they couldn't? Fighters get better with experience period and ggg lacked that.

Ouma was 2-5 in his last 7 fights, he hadn't picked up a relevant win in over 5 years. That is a shot fighter, not the 35 year old version of ggg you pretend is. Ouma was older too, being jet lagged would've taken more effect on him lmao. The amateur system is completely different than the pros, ggg didn't have the necessary pro experience to deal with the elites of the division at age 30, he needed fights with Brook, Jacobs, and others to get him to the point he was supposed to be. 26 year old ggg getting rocked by a nobody in 2008 ggg was NOWHERE near ready in 2008 let alone in 2011. Gennady Golovkin may have not been shot in his last bout, but he was CLEARLY past his absolute best. And whether having jet-lag took more of an effect on Kassim Ouma or not, doesn't still change the fact that Golovkin himself also had jet-lag. Ergo, he couldn't perform at his absolute best = nothing to do with age but to do with having jet lag as the cause of his slightly lower level of performance than what he is usually capable of producing. Someone being in their 'prime' or 'peak' doesn't mean they aren't immune to occasional bad performances for various different reasons and factors. Such as health factors, environmental factors and etc. Gennady Golovkin with 350 amateur bouts had already seen every style there was to see. He was ready to fight the elites but most, if not all were ducking him when he was at his prime. With 20 pro bouts, Golovkin was already prepared to compete at the highest level.

Ali was showing signs of brain damage by 40 SRR had 200 pro fights and fought in the 50's lmao Hagler had 60 pro fights and fought significantly better competition Trinidad, DLH, and Holmes did not take care of their bodies, they all got fat. etc. none of these fighters are similar to ggg. 2 guys you're calling anomalies took the SAME career path as ggg and that's hiring a trainer. Golovkin didn't hired Sanchez until 2010. Lewis hired Steward in '94 after losing to McCall and Wlad hired Steward in 2005 after losing to Brewster. It takes YEARS of training from that trainer and opponents to learn from, in order to be your best as a fighter. By 2011 ggg was still struggling with Ouma as a 30 year old because Sanchez' teachings were so new to him. Pre and post Sanchez ggg is a completely different fighter. He was not in his prime in his 20's because he had no Sanchez. Dude, GGG had over 300 amateur fights before he became a professional. You act like comparing GGG to the greatest fighters of all-time somehow makes your point it doesn't. Look, some guys are Tom Brady at 40 (who's still in decline), but that doesn't mean that the overwhelming majority of 35 year olds can perform at that level. I posted scientific studies proving that athletes are in their physical prime in their late 20s. I don't know what to say other than that. There is not such thing as a "young this" or "young that" or you'd see people taking up boxing in their mid 30s becoming world champions, which you don't. The human body generally functions the same way in 99% of people. Only GGG haters can't see that. its so funny whenever someone would bash golovkins resume before the jacobs and canelo fights his superfans would say "well golovkin is a young 33...hes taken no damage so he will have many years ahead of him...he still has plenty of time so lets not write him off before we are finished determining who he is" now they want to throw out old and past his prime....lol...because they realize an L is inevitable and hes just not that good once he stepped up You never heard me say that. I can't think of but a few athletes in the history of sports who I'd consider "in their primes" at 35, out of 100,000s of athletes. Not Michael Jordan, not Muhammad Ali, not Jerry Rice, not Floyd Mayweather, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, or anybody else I can think of that isn't a heavyweight or just a freak of nature like Bernard Hopkins or something. Is GGG a freak of nature like that? Not from anything I've seen from him. MarGGGarita chose to stay amateur and beat up teenagers. Cinnamon simply quelled her myth LMAO, yet 80% of people who watched the fight think he won. If you're up like 2 rounds, yes. Ouma was done as a fighter, 2-5 in his last 7 fights, that is bad if you're not blowing this guy out. Sometimes fighters are a bad matchup stylistically for a fighter. Just look at Fury/Wlad. Great fighters don't blow every fighter they face away. Sometimes, they fight guys who aren't in their class, but are difficult for them, but eventually class shows and they get them out of there. Look at Lomachenko/Salido. Salido's not in Loma's class, but his physical (and some would say cheating) make the fight extremely difficult for Loma and led to a victory. That doesn't mean that Loma isn't and wasn't 100x the fighter that Salido is.

-too old -canelo made him wait too long before finalizing the rematch -some convoluted sense of a decked stacked against golovkin -"golovkin knew he couldnt win on cards so he had to try to knock canelo out" -golovkins heart wasnt really in it anymore since he was "robbed" and just wanted to cash out im probably missing about 10 other possibilities the most delusional fanbase in boxing could come up with Some good ones here. In fairness though, mentioning Golovkins age is somewhat reasonable, but, it shouldn’t be used as an excuse or a reason should he lose. The first fight and the way it played out certainly did not lay any groundwork towards the use of that excuse should he lose, but as you say, certain people of a certain delusion will do. My gut instinct is that they’ll probably have a third fight and by then, yes, Golovkin will be old, but, going off recent form and the most recent fight of each man being vs each other, there really isn’t much ground for any excuses from either side for this upcoming bout.

tony...us intelligent people understand that when someone says "fans of so and so said this" they dont literally mean every single fan...like 100 percent of them...its just understood between intelligent, and rational, fans.....thats great that you didnt say it...but ive seen it many times....im sure you have seen it too i dont know how to search old posts...and i certainly wouldnt spend time searching them for the last 3-4 years.....but you know that damn well golovkins fans went from insisiting he was a young "30 something fighter" who hadnt taken much damage to suddenly being old 2 fights later No it means fans as a blanket statement. It could be 1% or it could be 80%. Anyway I leave it as it is. You made your point I made mine.

i forgot i was the internet...where an idiot like yourself can wish your way into not being an idiot..lol..have a good one I will take that as yes you lied about the comments