How do journeymen or “tomato cans” train

I boxed at a gym in Canada that had pros while I was there one female was world champ. There were other pros there of the “ journey man “ caliber they still beat the **** out of me and made it look easy. Most seemed to have a personal training day job and would be in gym evenings to spar and train. A handful worked in the strip clubs downtown. But most trained pretty regularly and would be in pretty damn good shape.

And for clarity I don’t mean they suck suck, because I’m well aware these people can beat most on this site, I’m just saying it’s interesting how they are DOMINATED in matches. You’d think it’d be kind of close but there’s boxers walking around with 30-0 records and then there’s these guys with like 2-50 lol.

I can’t speak on every boxer with a bad record, but I am good friends with a Pro that has a record of 0 Wins, 3 Losses, and 2 Draws. 0-3-2. When I first met him he was just 18. Had won the Florida golden gloves twice, looked super sharp in sparring. He was sparring with Shannon Briggs, Oliver McCall, Luis Ortiz, bunch of local pros. Always seemed to hold his own. Won every fight in the local south Florida circuit. I honestly thought the kid was gonna be a world champion. Used to always think I can’t wait for him to turn pro. I know he lost in the opening round of the National golden gloves by 1 point. He swore he was robbed. I believed it. 1 point in an amateur fight is close lol. He didn’t train super hard though. Would miss days in the gym often. Very talented but could barely do 5 Rounds in sparring. Caught up in the street life too as well. When he turned 21 he got a gig fighting at a strip club. King Of Diamonds. One of the most famous strip clubs in the world at the time. It was great for him. 3 rounds. Each round was only 1 minute lol. No one there stood a chance. He destroyed everybody lol. Actually became kinda popular through fighting there. No club fighter with no experience is gonna beat him in 3 1 minute rounds lol. That came to an end though when he got arrested and had to serve a year in prison. When he got out he turned pro almost immediately. No time to prepare. I think he took it way too fast. Probably should’ve done one final amateur fight to see where he’s at. He barely trained for the pro debut. He fought at 201 as an amateur. Weighed in like 255-260 or something for the fight. So exhausted he laid down and quit in the 2nd round. Picked up draws his next 2 fights, but couldn’t get a win. The club fighting and prison I think just took up too much valuable time. Plus still being involved in street ****. Lost again due to being exhausted. Then lost a close decision that I thought should’ve been a draw. When I first met the kid and saw him in there with Shannon Briggs and Oliver McCall and Luis Ortiz I never in a million years would’ve thought he was gonna go 0-3-2 in his first 5 pro fights. Talented. Didn’t train super hard though. Plus that wasted a lot of very valuable time. A bit mentally ill as well. For the last couple fights he had he barely trained. Wasn’t even really thinking about boxing, but he got a phone call saying hey you want $1,500 for a 4 Rounder? Couldn’t resist I guess. Although he didn’t train hard at all, when the bell rang the will to win was still there atleast. The last fight the guy was 5-1 and it was a close decision. I think it should’ve been a draw. Don’t know if he’ll fight again. Was hoping he’d pick up atleast 1 win.

People are so quick to judge. It's not that they suck, they're actually pretty good at what they do, just it's very hard to be the very best at something. And with the way a lot of sports fans are, specifically boxing fans, they only believe the ones at the top to be "good" and if you're not good you "suck." Hell people on this forum still say the fighters at the very top suck. Simply just ask yourself how hard it is to be the very best in the entire world at something.

A lot of it comes down to having a good trainer or coach. Often times they have some neighborhood well-meaning guy working a small gym training them. He can only take them so far, and once a fighter develops bad habits they are hard to break. The better trainers have to see something in you to spark their interest.

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some fighters who people refer to as journeymen, or cans... train just as hard - or nearly as hard - as top professionals they train next to them, in the same gym... with the same trainer they just aren't as good not all... just some Very good post. This is spot on.

Just like anything else in life. There are many doctors who did all of their medical studies but still suck. Only top 5% contribute to new medicine and technology. The rest just hold knowledge of which they cannot really apply. Or their mindset and philosophy is hampered by any personality flaws humans withhold. You've been driving for what? 5+ years? But you're not an F1 driver, now are you? A lot of times it isn't how hard you work, or how much you know. These general people work hard, like you posted, but they do not achieve. The results just aren't there. No matter how hard you work, you can be totally misguided in how you set a foundation and everything. Great post. People look at me bewildered when we are arguing about good vs bad driving and I remind them driving is a skill. You can work hard and be bad at something. You can also be naturally gifted at something. And you can be both, neither, or a blend. There are D level fighters that train daily, and get no further than club status, and there are those that won't achieve beyond that level not because of lack of opportunity but because of lack of work ethic or heart.

Sounds about right I didn’t expect them to be training full time

Yeah man I feel like they’re called Uber drivers cause they literally have a full time job and other side jobs like Uber just to make ends meet and they don’t have the time or money to train much, because they lose and only make like 2k a fight they're called uber drivers because they used to be called "cab drivers" aka guys with full time jobs who box on the side. for starters, TS, you cannot train full time year round in boxing as a grown man. your body will break down. these guys "stay in the gym" to stay on weight and be ready when the phone rings. make no mistake, they are not expecting to win, either, and they know the skinny. that doesn't mean they don't try to win, but the deck is stacked and they know it. a "house fighter" has weeks to train, a stipend to train when he's not fighting, has been active and on a winning streak, he's probably bigger than you are and younger; the deck is stacked. so you go rounds. maybe you go the distance. live to fight another day and get paid for it. it's usually guys with power or who have high skill caps that are able to "steal" a win from a house fighter. think darnell boone, emanuel agustus, etc. sometimes you learn more fighting those guys than you will going 10 or 12 with a world champion.

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Ask everyone that Crawford has faced at Welterweight thus far. Lol

Yeah man I feel like they’re called Uber drivers cause they literally have a full time job and other side jobs like Uber just to make ends meet and they don’t have the time or money to train much, because they lose and only make like 2k a fight club fighters and such, sure... most of them do

Just like anything else in life. There are many doctors who did all of their medical studies but still suck. Only top 5% contribute to new medicine and technology. The rest just hold knowledge of which they cannot really apply. Or their mindset and philosophy is hampered by any personality flaws humans withhold. You've been driving for what? 5+ years? But you're not an F1 driver, now are you? A lot of times it isn't how hard you work, or how much you know. These general people work hard, like you posted, but they do not achieve. The results just aren't there. No matter how hard you work, you can be totally misguided in how you set a foundation and everything. yep :lol1:

I recently watched some videos on the “professional losers” and it got me thinking, do they also train 6 days a week 4 hours a day plus roadwork or do they only go like twice a week to train and have full time jobs on the side. It’s funny nowadays they’re called Uber drivers. And If they do train 6x a week why do they suck that much some fighters who people refer to as journeymen, or cans... train just as hard - or nearly as hard - as top professionals they train next to them, in the same gym... with the same trainer they just aren't as good not all... just some

Before and after work!

some people are just naturally more talented then others and will do better in different sports or areas in life in general

I's just very disrespectful fans that call them insulting names. Many of them train like champions but they just don't have the talent to be a champion or a top contender. For every guy with an undefeated record there has to be lots of lesser guys for them to build that unbeaten record with.

Interesting question & like with anything I bet it matters on the guy. But I feel like its less than high level guys on average. I mean I imagine many of them arent even full time boxers like that to be able to train like a high level guy does. There are numerous guys with things going on that still need to work a regular job to make ends meet so the guys without much going on surely have to maintain a regular job more often than not. Joe Smith was working construction not long ago, while training for some pretty high profile fights, wasn't he? Seems like a hard ask to work a physical job while training for a fight with high caliber fighters.