As far as defensive skills goes how would you rate Loma's?
I would rate it an A / A-. Depending on the opponent he can be untouchable but Linares did show that he can also be hit.
Great defensive fighters like Pernell Whitaker and Andre Ward have been dropped occasionally as well. Hopefully the KD serves as a wake up call and Loma can use that as a learning experience to be more defensively responsible.
Not that amazing. It will look a whole lot less amazing when he fights a pressure fighter like when he fought salido
I could be wrong but I assumed the thread was about legal punches.
Let’s give him time, can we? I guess that is what your saying? We don’t know yet? Hopefully that’s what you are saying!
Cool, let’s talk again after 17 more fights, if he can get them quick enough. He started his pro career late.Yea basically. I don’t think we will have to wait for 17 fights since his career is on a fast track. By the time he reaches 20 fights we’ll know a lot.
I would give him an A+ for defense and getting dropped by sharp punching Linares doesn't change that for me. He got careless for a second and Linares dropped him with his quick right hand. Even boxers with a great defense get hit clean by other good boxers sometimes. I can't think of an attacking fighter like Loma who gets hit less often than Loma does.
Well floyd has 50 fights and loma has 12. If floyd had been hit and dropped like loma was hit and dropped in his 12th fight, it wouldve been silly for people to go on about how great his defense was. Now if loma goes on to have a career in which he’s he dominates his opponents defensively in his next 37 fights like Floyd, ill have no problems lauding him as a great defensive fighter.
Let’s give him time, can we? I guess that is what your saying? We don’t know yet? Hopefully that’s what you are saying!
Cool, let’s talk again after 17 more fights, if he can get them quick enough. He started his pro career late.
I guess Loma got hit, like Floyd got hit when he fought Castillo in the first fight? Still a good defensive performance.
Great defensive genius Floyd got hit more in the Maidana fight then Loma did in his loss agasint Salido and unlike Floyd Loma landed more then Salido in that fight compared to Floyd vs Castillo which had Castillo landing more punches.Well floyd has 50 fights and loma has 12. If floyd had been hit and dropped like loma was hit and dropped in his 12th fight, it wouldve been silly for people to go on about how great his defense was. Now if loma goes on to have a career in which he’s he dominates his opponents defensively in his next 37 fights like Floyd, ill have no problems lauding him as a great defensive fighter.
I give a B+ considering his type of style and where he likes to fight at!
His weaknesses is his overconfidence, lack of reach, and punching power!
A guy like Mikey would exploit the fact that he likes to punch with you, Mikey would time him with something nasty and unlike Linares who doesn't have much power; Loma wouldn't get up!
He's a joy to watch and we as REAL BOXING FANS are fortunate to witness him fighting in our time!
He's terrific defensively especially for how much he engages and the volume he throws. Its an exhausting style.
Unless you catch Linares cold he's always going to land leather and combinations especially if he gets into any sort of rhythm. He's too good of a boxer not to and has good physical attributes for the weight.
The only thing that stops Linares from being elite imo is a lack of head movement he doesn't really take the heat off shots. Ability, technique, skills he's right up there.
No **** boxers get hit. My point was in they frequency in which loma was being hit. That was simply not a great defensive performance.
Great defensive genius Floyd got hit more in the Maidana fight then Loma did in his loss agasint Salido and unlike Floyd Loma landed more then Salido in that fight compared to Floyd vs Castillo which had Castillo landing more punches.
No **** boxers get hit. My point was in they frequency in which loma was being hit. That was simply not a great defensive performance.
I guess Loma got hit, like Floyd got hit when he fought Castillo in the first fight? Still a good defensive performance.
Boxers are gonna get hit, Loma got hit. Nobody’s defense is impregnable. We are talking about boxing right? Lol.
I won’t comment on linares’ defense.
Loma has great defense.
No **** boxers get hit. My point was in they frequency in which loma was being hit. That was simply not a great defensive performance.
Young Floyd at 130-135 was more offense minded and explosive, he stayed in the pocket.. and yet Floyd was never peppered with a 4-5 punch combo like Loma was.. there's levels to this. but Loma is great.
For a big part he uses his offense as his defense and he relies a lot on activity and athelticism, he's not a legendary defensive fighter perse but he has great defense for the range he fights at, he fighs at close range and still doesn't get his too much and catches a lot of punches on his gloves. Great defensive fundamentals that will help him stay in the game longer even after he slows down.
He shouldn't move up above 135 though, bigger guys with good chins could walk him down, rough him up and back him up and that's not the type of fight he's comfortable with, he likes stationary textbook fighters who try to punch with him but he's so quick and active that he overwhelms them, he can still do that with the smaller guys, bigger more aggressive and more durable guys would give him some real problems.
Lol at humble beings “unfazed”. This thread is bout his defense and linares proved that his defense isn’t impregnable like some previously thought. That was certainly not an A performance on defense.
Boxers are gonna get hit, Loma got hit. Nobody’s defense is impregnable. We are talking about boxing right? Lol.
I won’t comment on linares’ defense.
Loma has great defense.
Yeah, but he was unfazed by that 5 punch flurry. He got hit, but he blocked a lot of shots on his gloves.Lol at humble beings “unfazed”. This thread is bout his defense and linares proved that his defense isn’t impregnable like some previously thought. That was certainly not an A performance on defense.
His defensive abilities are very good, rising to great when you consider how they mesh with his offensive abilities. For me, defence doesn't really exist wholly independently of offense, particularly when you consider a style like Lomachenko's, which integrates his offensive and defensive qualities so harmoniously, when even elite/ATG fighters like Cotto often couldn't manage to do it at all.
As others have said, considering he spends most of the fight in the pocket, he gets hit very little, so you have to consider him a top defensive fighter. Due to his style he will always get hit, but it will take a remarkable fighter to fully take advantage of it.
I do believe Loma will run into trouble against Mikey, it's going to be interesting to see if he has the ability to adjust, and the physical capabilities to make those adjustments count. He might have to go on to the back foot a lot.
A fighter of Loma's size employing his usual tactics against Mikey for 12 rounds, even considering how special Loma is, that is playing dynamite.
9/10
I think if you compiled the numbers of output punches and how many punches he blocks or slips.
The fraction would be higher than a lot of boxers in the elite scale.
He's a risk taker without that many risks.
Each punch in boxing is reciprocal in nature. There's no such thing as having a jab released and defended at the same time. Pushing weight back after pushing it out isn't faster than your opponent countering you( him pushing weight out) no matter how much coaches suggest that "putting your hands up while punching is defense".
It's defensive responsible. But each punch out is completely reciprocal.
He's very good considering he's in your grill the whole time and very offensive himself.
Often when he does get hit he is in his opponents chest so they can't get the best leverage on the shot.
But I can't say I've seen a fighter who never got hit that fights in the range that Loma does in.
Still, there is room for improvement.
His defense is very good considering how aggressive he is. The guy is an absolute joy to watch especially considering he is fighting the best that will get in the ring with him. I think there is a good possibility he catches a second loss before his 20th fight. I dont think he is scared of losing, so he just goes for it.
He was caught by a lot more than just the one right hand that sat him down. I haven’t seen too many fighters get hit with a 5 punch combo before.
Yeah, but he was unfazed by that 5 punch flurry. He got hit, but he blocked a lot of shots on his gloves.