reasons Hatton can win:
Mayweather doesn't show up to fight.
Mayweather cuts off both arms before fight.
Mayweather slips on banana peel in locker room.
just joking though...I'm rooting for Hatton but I don't really see him winning.
gonzalez was the better fighter but he did'nt land the knockout punch, Pen was not the better fighter but he did land the knockout punch...you can argue about this fight all day from both sides but you have to look at it objectively...yeah, Gonazles was winning the fight, but knockouts count in boxing, knockouts win fights!
Holyfield, fair enough. Tyson was spent by then, Briggs, Tua and Grant were also-rans. Vitali, fair play.
Much more impressive that ANYONE Tyson beat?
Here goes, here's who Tyson beat late on -
Trevor Berbick
James 'Bonecrusher' Smith
Pinklon Thomas
Tyrell Biggs
Larry Fucking Holmes
Tony Tubbs
Michael Spinks
Frank Bruno
Donovan Ruddock (twice)
Does Lewis' resume compare?
I don't think so...
-Glass jaw Trever Berbick was a bum who was knocked out in the second round
-James 'Bonecrusher' Smith had 17 losses...yeah real tuff! and tyson beat him by a very boring decision, not a knockout
-Pinklon Thomas let Tyson land a 15 punch combination on him...what kind of fighter lets that happen to him?...a bum
-Tyrell Biggs was legit
-An old, burnt out, out of his prime "Larry Fucking Holmes"
-Tony Tubbs was a fat, under trained bum who threw fights and took dives
-Michael Spinks was a glass jaw fighter who couldn't stand up and fell three times in the first round after Tyson gave him a love tap on the chin
-Frank Bruno was legit
-Donovan Ruddock losses came via controversial decisions...he rocked Tyson in their first fight. Tyson had to hit low blow after low blow in the second fight because he couldn't win fair.
So, only two impressive wins. The rest of the fights were jokes!
By the way, I'm trying to inject some humor into this thread with this post. Hope some of you had a laugh!
This Tyson hate is getting pretty silly. Yeah, Tyson fail apart at a time when he should have been cementing his legacy but you can't take away what he did accomplish in his heyday.
Pinklon Thomas was known as one of his more durable fighters of his day. He didn't just let Tyson hit him with straight punch after punch, he got stunned after fighting a great defensive fight and was quickly overwhelmed by a quick, hammering Tyson. Anyone who...you know actually watched the fight would know that.
It's hard to call Spinks a glass jaw when he was undefeated and had never been knocked out before the fight.
Larry Holmes was coming off a long lay off but was only two years removed from his peak years. He continued to stay a tough contender for many many years after the Mike fight as I outlined in the absurd Tua thread. Tyson didn't beat a peak Holmes but let's not pretend it was Marciano/Louis II.
James Smith had a solid 19-5 record when he fought Tyson and was coming off a complete destruction of Witherspoon that earned him the fight.
Ruddock wasn't winning either of the Tyson fights but he gave him a tough run in probably the best performances of his career.
Please don’t take my post seriously…that wasn’t the point of it. The point I was trying to show was that you can’t really ever win these arguments. My post was sarcastic…I tried to draw from the other arguments I’ve seen on these boards ( he was a bum, he had a glass jaw, he wasn't in his prime, he was drugged, etc.) I don’t really know these fighters, so I just thought I make stupid excuses that I see on this board all the time. I know most of those fighters were very tough and good fighters…I thought I would just poke fun at it.
If Albert Einstein had a time machine he could have teleported to the year 3000 and took a Tyson of the 80's and fitted him with super robotic boxing skills and Tyson would have beat everyone that has ever lived, and beaten the dinosaurs and blah, blah, blah
I dont really subscribe to that theory. You arent going to be facing someone half your weight in the ring, why would you train for someone half your weight outside of it? I think that the heavier the bag, the more realistic the training.[/QUOTE
Your right...i wasn't thinking clearly when i wrote that, my bad.
Do you really need a 150 pound bag? I've been told to work with one that is at least half your weight. Unless you weigh 300 pounds, you can get a nice 100lb Everlast bag at most sporting good stores...I could be wrong though...any other opinions?
THE BIGGER THEY WERE THE HARDER THEY FELL WITH TYSON IN HIS PRIME.........HE TRIED TO KILL THEM:boxing: I DONT THINK ANY FIGHTER HAS EVER BEEN AS ACTION PACKED AND EXCITING AS TYSON WAS........LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM HE WAS THE BEST AND HE WAS STILL A TEEN KNOCKING OUT GROWN MEN
Tyson was a grown man as a teen...have you seen him at 16? he was huge! To me it was just one grown man knocking out another grown man...
Still on sedatives still Douglas down for 13 seconds.
lol! by that logic you can say lewis never lost. The ref should have left Lewis continue after he got up from the McCall knockdown and let him fight after getting knocked out by Rahman. It doesn't matter what you think, the ref's call is final and that is it. I accepted those losses, why can't you? Get over it!
The first two fights were good, but the last three were boring decision wins...Yes, this wasn't a good show in my opinion. I enjoy most of the shows though, so i continue to watch.
Well. MMA is a combination of combat sports, hence, no perfection in any given one whether it's wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, etc.
Forget triathlon then. Let's talk about Decathlon, that's a track and field event that combines 10 events: 100m, long jump, shot put, high jump, 400m, 110m hurdles, discuss throw, pole vault, javelin throw, 1500m.
Giving decathlon another thought, it's actually kind of interesting I like it. But I sitll prefer the single disciplines cause I get the very best. the 100m dash, the 110m hurdlers, etc.
I think you make a mistake here by saying no perfection in any given one. Usually a MMA figher is near the top of his game in at least one discipline and works on the rest. Randy Couture is a Olympic-level Greco-Roman wrestler and is improving on other styles. Josh Kosheck is an 4 x all-American wrestler and works on other styles. Anderson Silva is an expert in Muay Thai, B.J Penn is near perfect in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Gonzaga an expert in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Shawn Sherk is an expert in wrestling, Fedor Emelianenko is an expert in Sambo and Judo and the list goes on and on. Give these guys more credit, a lot of them have trained for years in their discipline.
Talented people will accel at whatever they do.
With 3 months of training in the basics of the ground game, and take down defense, Floyd Mayweather WOULD be able to roll through anyone that MMA had to offer him.
Look what Liddell was about to accomplish with a decent take down defense and amateurish striking skills.
I dont know why people assume a boxer would totally neglect to learn about the ground game before stepping into the octagon.
Guess what? he would be a Mixed Martial Artist then....not just a boxer.
I love boxing...I've been watching it for years and will watch it for the rest of my life. But i have seen my fair share of boxing fights that were very, very boring and I was pissed I spent the money...clinching for the whole fight and showboating with hands down...
I also love to watch mma, I will watch it for years to come also. They also put on boring fights every now and then that make me pissed off I spent the money on it.
I do know that these are two different sports though.
To people who don't understand mma, when they see the fight on the ground they say it's boring. I think they just don't understand it and are not paying attention to what’s going on. If you watch you can see they are using all sorts of techniques to gain better positioning, set up submissions, hold your opponent in guard, escaping the guard, defending, wearing out your opponent who is defending, etc. etc. There is a science behind it.
I love watching the techniques in boxing too. Using the jab to set up punches, cutting of the ring, getting in the inside, body punches, keeping your opponent at a distance, breaking down the body, taking away their legs, etc.
To people who never watch boxing, they would never see any of this. I watched a few fights with guys who don't watch boxing...and they said "Big deal, all they do is throw punches...how hard is that?"
The also didn't know who De La Hoya and Mayweather are and they said..."these guys suck, who cares about this fight"
If someone who didn’t know the history of the Koscheck vs. St. Pierre fight last night…all they would see is one guy taking down the other…boring right? But to know that St. Pierre took down and dominated Koscheck ( a four-time NCAA Division 1 All-American) is impressive.
I think you just have to be a fan to really understand and enjoy either one. I am a fan of both. I’m not making an argument for either one…you guys have the right to watch whatever you want.
Well. MMA is a combination of combat sports, hence, no perfection in any given one whether it's wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, etc.
I think you make a mistake here by saying no perfection in any given one. Usually a MMA figher is near the top of his game in at least one discipline and works on the rest. Randy Couture is a Olympic-level Greco-Roman wrestler and is improving on other styles. Josh Kosheck is an 4 x all-American wrestler and works on other styles. Anderson Silva is an expert in Muay Thai, B.J Penn is near perfect in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Gonzaga an expert in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Shawn Sherk is an expert in wrestling, Fedor Emelianenko is an expert in Sambo and Judo and the list goes on and on. Give these guys more credit, a lot of them have trained for years in their discipline.