chillifists

LOL says the guy with Pac on his avatar. Pac's 8th world title should be deleted from the history books. The question to the thread was not meant to be serious one, so sorry you guys took it so seriously. By all means delete this thread! VIVA PACQUAIO!!!

...but he lost the fight..in the same round!

The guy is meant to be regarded very high, was undefeated and was going for his 1st title shot and still came in out of shape. If he didn't give it his all then, I don't care for lard ass to get a second chance.

Interesting read.

so is mosley the only one making 147 and pac aint? idiot just stfu That seemed to be the case in his last fight (which was where I was originally getting at) so who knows with Pac? Maybe you didn't notice the winky face..gee that was easy bait. But I guess I better stfu in that case before I get e-bashed by you.

Well what does this say about Pac's historical accomplishment? Of course he wasn't a title holder at 154..he couldn't even make weight in his own Pacweight! So why did Pac state recently he can make 154? Both Pac n Mosley had their last fights on paper at 154, but their next fight is at 147. Has this happend before? I se epeople bringing up Mosley being shot n old..but I don't see anyone bringing up that Mosley has to drop weight again at his age!

the invisible one, duh hahahahaa...

so anything questioning pac is a stupid question? Pac was never in trouble in that fight man come on lol I also don't understand all this talk about Pac being in trouble!? I think it's to justify why he shouldn't fight Martinez. I also think Martinez is too big, but if Pac wants to claim he won a title there..he only has himself to blame. It's Pac that put himself in this position to be questioned (stupid or not) and critized.

Margarito Martinez De la Hoya

First off, I don't even count that junior middleweight title as a legit title. Don't make me to be a blind follower just because I'm defending his case when you can clearly see the weight disparity. Second, he's never stated that he can MAKE 150, but he can probably fight anyone at 150 and below. 147 or 150, they're both equally bad. I don't see Sergio coming in that low. First off, I never attempted anything like that, but agree 'that' title is far from being close to legit! Just stating facts here that hasn't put Manny in the greatest of situations when talking about weather he should or shouldn't fight at Junior Middleweight! Secondly, Manny has stated he can make 150!!

Ok we agree on the first line. I don't think he has said he can actually make that weight, but I'd like to see him try. If he CAN make 150 or above, then I see this fight with Martinez possible, but if not, then it's all fantasy talk from here. Well I'm glad we at least can agree on the first part :D I take it you haven't come across the statement where Manny made about being able to make 150 not too long ago which I came across then! Which is why I found it odd I now came across this one which is where my original question came from in this thread!! Also I think it's pretty simple why Martinez wants to fight Manny or Floyd as they are both considered the biggest and best which equals a guaranteed claim to number one and the biggest pay day in boxing. At the end of the day, which fighter wouldn't want an opportunity to face either? Martinez is no exception. Sure Martinez may turn out to be too big for them, but that doesn't rule out the idea of them fighting Sergio just based on that reason alone! Specially when all three boxers have claimed 154 belts in the past themselves. Martinez is willing to go back to that division, but based on that vid in this thread Manny doesn't like the idea of attempting too, nor do I think Floyd would wanna do it again. Manny & Floyd need to stop with the fights they have been taking and get in the ring with each other already before they consider Martinez or any other decent comp!

It's called test and failure. They tested 150lbs during training camp and Manny felt sluggish so he went back down in weight where he clearly performs better. Are you moronic? If he can't make 150lbs, then he can't! Why you gettin insulted for? Demanding a catchweight for a vacant 154 title against a bigger man who had no business being in the ring to begin to claim history is now called 'test and failure'? Yeah if he can't make 150, then he can't 150 I agree. What I don't agree on is him going through with the fight anyways..not only not even making his bull**** CW limit he demanded to begin with...but not even bothering coming above the 147 limit!! On top of that still claimed the title & claims history! Then he stated couple months ago he can make 150, now he is saying he can't? The situation he has got himself in all sounds moronic to me!

Vernon Forrest is a very unappreciated fighter who had some very nice skills and had a style to beat many fighters when at his best!! Forrest never reached his true potential as he was held back by several injuries and a lack of fighters willing to get inside the ring with him. He was just not worth the trouble for many fighters around him back then! Forrest-Mayweather Mayweather has not faced a fighter like a primed Vernon Forrest, and based on his actions at Welter, nor would he have dared to. Mayweather would be too defensive minded to get anything off meaningful and doesn't posses big power or pace to threaten the bigger Forrest. Vernon Forrest was also a skilled boxer who was taller, longer reach and more power that would have Mayweather at the end of the jab. I don't think Mayweather would be comfortable to make the risks required to get his punchers off to beat Forrest. If a shot inactive Mosley was able to land a loop overhand right and shake the world of Mayweather, I don't why Vernon Forrest would not be able to land his own signiture right hand either. Forrest-Pac Pac at Welterweight has not faced a fighter in their prime nor has he faced anyone of the skills and size of Vernon Forrest. Manny Pacquaio has shown he can be hurt by timed shots against Morales/Marquez and against a boxer like Forrest who could also fight he would get hurt by the bigger man. He wouldn't be faced against slow, wide, looping, winging punchers like lately, but would be faced against a fighter from the outdside shooting straight punchers. His big right hand would be the demise to the southpaw stance coming in. Based on the lack of quality opponents both Mayweather and Pacquaio have faced at Welterweight, I don't believe they would have had enough to beat a big Welterweight boxer who could also bang. Neither at Welterweight (post Lightweight) have really shown the willingness to challenge themselves and if fighters then didn't want to face Forrest..it doesn't give me much reason to think Floyd and Manny would have. Vernon Forrest is a bad match for both fighters, just too big, too skilled. The great jab and big right hand would undo both fighters. R.I.P Vernon 'The Viper' Forrest!

Pac said couple months ago that he can make 150? Now he can't?

I dont think Martinez can make 150... I know Martinez said he would be willing to drop down to 154 to make big fights with both Manny and Floyd. He never made it to begin with. 144lbs, remember? Oh no, you guys clearly don't pay attention to his fights until he supposedly ducks somebody. Yeah I do remember Manny making 144lbs in a CW fight for a 154 title to make "history". I remember it clearly as it was not the greatest look. That has nothing to do with what I wrote! Manny stated couple months back that he can make 150lbs. Now he says he can't. Why the sudden change of mind from him all of a sudden?

To be fair they only showed this fight on the streamed under-card. A lot people had a hard time getting it to work. To be fair?? That doesn't sound fair that people didn't catch this fight, people must catch it. Diaz came out landing heavy clean shots and Kennedy took them all very well then surprisingly dropped him in the 3rd on top of the head and then once again in the 5th I believe. Both KD's looked kinda similar but the 2nd having more of an effect with Diaz being out on his feet but Kennedy not being able to get him out of there. Both fighters seemed tired and hurt in the following with Diaz becoming the boxer and Kennedy doing the stalking in the later rounds. Both landing great exchangers towards the end and it could have gone either way. I really didn't agree with the margin of the scorecard but loved the fight. You think Kennedy punched himself out after the 2nd KD or was just wary??

This would be an action fight, but I do think Diaz is on the decline while Rios is only getting better. Rios will be too strong for Diaz who I don't think will have enough in the tank.

The eye injury and surgery could be more of an effect than some may think. Bute is one of the most skilled in the division and also one of the most devistating punchers as well. I gotta edge Bute in a close but clear victory.

Mayweather has been making himself look pathetic for years, then Pac didn't help his situation. Now Pac has managed to do the same by being mentioned/compared to Mayweather's same pathetic ways.

EXACTLY!! No talk on Kennedy-Diaz!! This fight had a bit of everything. I was very impressed with Jorge as he was an absaloute machine and showed he coyld box when the going got tough. Teon Kennedy was very impressive. The guy has some solid skills and in no way am I comparing him to the great Hopkins, but he did remind me of him in lil suddle ways. The guy showed nice movement, a great chin and a really good jab. He was a real professional that stayed composed when the going got tough in the first couple of rounds and weathered the storm to steal the victory. Lookin forward to seeing more of Teon Kennedy.

The only thing that didn't impress me was his dirty rabbit punching and the final knockdown where he manage to land 2 shots at the back of the head and 1 shot on his back and another on his back while he was down. Got a little bit too dirrrty and should have been deducted a point and could have been close to DQ'd at the end. But this dude can really fight and his flashy skills and physical gifts are very impressive on the eye!! The dirty fightining wouldn't have made a difference..he was too ruthless!!!!!!!!!

Mosley, Jones & Tyson all rolled into one mini package!

The question is pretty decieving. People may be getting caught up on who would win p4p or against eachother opponents. I think both fighters have great wins but some can be broken down as not being as good as many have appeared to already made solid points in here already for both. Those being catchweight fights, wins over smaller fighters, older fighters, weight drained fighters and/or shot fighters. If your asking who will go down as the greater fighter, I think many will say Pacquaio. But if your asking who has the better names on their resume win, loose or draw (like the thread asks) it's a pretty close one. Without going into detail on where eachothers opponents were at the time of their career or if either fighter really deserved the decision, it is a solid question. Here is a list of notable names fought by each fighter, with the bolded names being key opponents each have over the other.. BERNARD HOPKINS Jones x2 Johnson Trinidad De La Hoya Taylor x2 Tarver Wright Calzaghe Pavlik Pascal MANNY PACQUAIO Barrera x2 Morlaes x3 Marquez x2 De La Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito Might come down whose names had more of an impact out of Jones Jr. & Trinidad or the Mexican trio??

This fight is big on paper yeah, but it's looking too far ahead. Both fighters should stick to their divisions. Donaire (who just moved up recently) should stay at Bantamweight & unify with the winner of Agbeko-Mares & Gamboa should unify against John!

Don't follow a fighter based on where they are from, but rather their style, how they fight & conduct them selves. But if we are talking fighters that get disrespected, I think region wise, UK & European fighters have to do 3 times more to gets props.

Only way the division sinks any lower if both Klits were to drown in the sea of carp fish they are already in. The Klits are not the problem, it's the rest of the horrible lack of fire, lack of training and lack of talent that's holding back the Klitschko brothers.

Hopkins-Echols I Hopkins-Wright

Based on the first fight and how things have started out leading upto the second, I can see Hopkins stopping Pascal!!

There is a few, some may be on the tip or not even reached it yet.. Pacquaio Mayweather Martinez Khan Bradley Lopez Gamboa Rios Agbeko Donaire Mares Ward Froch

Maidana may be bigger and more powerful than Pacquaio but they are different fighters! More of a credit to Morales for putting on a performance like that against Maidana. Also much credit to get a victory over Manny Pacquaio when he was well past his prime back then, when he was expected to lose! My respect for Erik Morales went up even higher last night!