Enough with the inferiority complex and misguided nationalistic generalizations. You guys are such whiners. Race has nothing to do with it; if the K-Bros fought like Boytsov they would be 10x more popular than they already are, in America and everywhere else. But instead, even their OWN FANS grow restless and resort to singing soccer songs during their fights. Like Holmes and Lewis, sure the K-Bros are gentlemen outside of the ring and champions inside it, but because of their fighting style they never captured the hearts of casual fans in the same way as the Manny Pacquiaos and Sugar Ray Leonards of the world. How many freaking times do we have to go over this????
-Attending an elementary school music recital
-Listening to a girlfriend's phone prattle for 2 hours
-Sitting in detention
-Playing the video game 'pong'
-Watching a Lifetime movie marathon
-Going shopping with your mother and your 3 sisters
-Ensuring that every page of a 300 page document is consecutively numbered
-Undergoing a colonoscopy
-Putting down 3000 square feet of laminate flooring
And so on. That fight literally put me to sleep. Like, I just woke up. Thank God it didn't kill me. Yes this is my first post, and I was inspired to write one because that boring jabfest of a fight made me that angry. God save the heavyweight division...
Exactly why I don't want Dawson anywhere near this guy, even though he was born in a year when new cars cost like 300 dollars.
He didn't ruin DLH, but as you can tell by my avy that punch is an all time favorite.
Long live the executioner. :boxing:
freddy...you are not a promoter or a manager...shut the fukk up and just train manny...70-30 is a fukking joke
You know what though, he's just giving his opinion. Some reporter asked him a question and he gave his honest answer. It's not like he's calling press conferences to beat the drums and make demands. He knows he's not the promoter and that ultimately any decision is in Manny's hands, it's just that he's the type of guy that gives a straight answer when someone walks into his gym and asks him a question. That's why the media are on his nuts right now.
Since you classified my FACTUAL RECORD BASED post as "nonsense", and since you suck information without adding anything valuable yourself... Why should I answer any question that you ask?
The person who wrote this exam uses the same avenues of logic to arrive at conclusions that you do:
http://zeus.funnyexam.com/content/1613/resized/womanproblems.jpg?1236739147
Basically you argue that today's heavyweight champions are superior to HWs of 30 years ago because heavyweights of 30 years ago never fought against anyone as large HWs today.
That logic is convoluted, as several others have pointed out. Our population as a whole was smaller in the 70s because back then we thought that eggs, bacon, sausage and cheese constituted a healthy breakfast. People smoked cigarettes on airplanes. Athletes smoked in dressing rooms at halftime. Yet you compare height and weight stats that you copied and pasted from boxrec.com as if fights that happened in 1965 are interchangeable with fights that happened in 2005. If a guy like Wlad was born in 1940, who's to say that he'd be a 6'6 240 pound guy? If Foreman was born in 1980, with the benefit of contemporary nutrition and weight training, who's to say he wouldn't be a 6'6 240 pound guy?
That's why for the rest of us, these mythical matchups are intriguing discussions of skillsets and style matchups. For you, these are mostly matchups of tape measures and scale figures. So again I ask you, what do you consider to be the most competitive era of heavyweight boxing based on fighter skillset/p4p talent?
Stop disparaging Frazier by the way. Dude basically fought the primest version of a post-suspension, undefeated Ali and broke his jaw. That's a ****ing warrior.
1up just reviewed it and gave it an 'A', but I don't trust them. They consistently review high profile games before IGN and Gamespot and seem to give those games higher ratings than anyone else...like they're trying to stimulate demand for the game or something...
:lol1:
Man Law #587: When someone knocks you out so severely that you look like you're trying to untie your shoes with your forehead, you have to shut the f--k up.
Kellerman: Chris, you took a knee, seemed to be aware of what was going on, and collected yourself. What were you thinking at that moment?
Arreola: 'Shit! I gotta get back up!'
:rofl:
I'm going to resist the urge to engage in hyperbole, but to those comparing this loss to Khan's KTFO vs Prescott, this was worse because Ortiz QUIT. That's all that needs to be said...
Like Khan however, he's going to learn his lesson. He completely abandoned his jab, which was retarded because he knew the kind of power that Maidana was packing. I can already see how the next 18 months are going to play out: he's going to fight a scrub, then return as a 'remastered boxer' against a beltholder and win, then rematch Maidana and actually BOX the guy and either UD him or KO him in the late rounds.
He won't quit like a little bitch again. God that was shameful...
Great post. Boxing, after all, is a sport, not a battlefield. You can't disparage the integrity of anyone who has the balls to step in the ring against a world class fighter. That's rule #1 of watching boxing.
The vitriol would be justified if Ortiz quit like Tyson did against Kevin McBride and then basically said to the cameras afterward, "I only took this fight because I was broke as hell, needed money, and knew I could take advantage of my fans. I don't care about boxing anymore." But Ortiz gave it everything he had and Maidana simply battered his lights out until he had nothing left. That's boxing. Ortiz will live to fight another day, and when he does, I hope for his own sake that the kid uses a freaking jab...
Haye-Boytsov on the undercard fighting for the newly created 225 pound limit heavyweight title of the one and only consolidated world sanctioning body. Mayweather-Pacquiao main event. Tony Weeks is the ref, fight is in my backyard at the Boston Garden, tickets will only be sold to people who can describe a check hook without pulling out their iphone and googling it. Megan Fox, Jessica Alba, and Hayden Panetierre will perform Ring Card duties. Entire card will be broadcast on free network television. I could die happily after that :angel:
Hearns was a very underrated boxer, and he's capable of outboxing Williams. But if he did decide to fight Paul, that only spells more trouble for Paul with the way he leaves himself wide open during exchanges.
Disagree with this. In an inside battle Paul's uppercuts are sharper and he throws more precise combinations than Hearns did. Hearns kinda just went all out and swung like a madman when his switch flipped.
Kirkland is my current favorite. Even though he struggles to move his head, keep his left up, stay out of jail, and not have a gay nickname, dude goes out there to KILL whoever's in front of him in the ring everytime he fights. Few other prospect fights with such manifest purpose, hunger and intensity. He's the Kevin Garnett of boxing.
Personally I think Hearns would be able to disrupt Pwill's workrate. Not necessarily because of angles or outboxing or whatnot but because for such a big guyWilliams doesnt always use his size effectively and tends to smother himself sometimes. Hearns on the other hand has that long flicking jab which is very tricky and could make williams think twice about opening up.
We wrote the same thing at the same time. That would definitely be Hearns' plan.
Williams is more or less a straight ahead infighter, and with Manny "I make all of my fighters throw 5000 jabs a day" Steward in Tommy's corner, the plan is for Tommy to keep Williams off balance by throwing 60-70 of his patented come-from-anywhere flicker jabs per round. If Tommy follows that plan, Williams loses the early rounds on points, get frustrated, loosens up his guard while trying to get inside...and then BAM! Tommy starts to land the chopping right and it's downhill for Williams.
However, Tommy is the more versatile fighter, but at times his heart gets the best of him and he bucks the gameplan in favor of trying to brawl his way to a KO. If that happens, I don't think his hands or his jaw withstand Paul's Punishment and he gets KOd in a war.
Hearns has the advantage, but I wouldn't go anywhere near this fight gambling-wise.
Note to Mr. Martinez: tuck your chin and get your right hand up when you fight a hard hitting lefty. You look like you're trying to get yourself killed.
I'd love to see Hasegawa try to unify the WBA (Japan doesn't recognize the IBF or WBO right?) and turn some more heads. Hope he gets a shot.
I made the same prediction in one of the other 450 cotto-pacquiao prediction threads. Unless Steward works miracles w Cotto's jab, Pac's handspeed is going to be the deciding factor.
Let the Klitschkos jab and paw away at the Povetkins, Dimitrenkos and Valuevs of the world on feeds that will mercifully be untelevised in the US so I won't be induced into another bout of mid-afternoon narcolepsy. I'd rather see Arreola and Haye sign a two fight home-and-home contract, the first being in LA at the Staples Center and the second in London at the O2. Both would be sell-outs, both would be exciting fights, and both fighters would walk away with a treasure chest of money and the respect within the HW division that they currently do not have. If a clear winner emerges, then he can go on challenge a K brother. If not, they can go on to complete the first noteworthy HW trilogy in over 35 years. No matter who loses in that scenario, Boxing wins.
Who's with me?
I thought Valuev already declined?
I want to see the Nightmare fight once at around 240 before he takes on VK. He needs to demonstrate that he can discipline himself and stay away from the table before he steps in with a monster like VK. Not sure who he should fight first though.
At this point, David Haye just needs to get his a** in the ring against a HW, VK or whomever. Doesn't matter. Like him or not, he's good for the sport, especially here in the states where all of these injuries are killing the mainstream momentum that the Hatton-Pac KTFO created.