Why does the americans constantly fail to give the Klitscho's the props they deserve?

BennyST, standing ovations for your post. Green Karma from me. Green to BennyST as well: Easily one of the best posts I've read in a while. Poet Where I'm from we'd call benny's post straight ether. Cheers lads! :fing02:

Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis are mediocre opposition. STFU loser. Vitali should have been able to flatten Byrd with that highly touted KO rate of his. Period. Wladimir also had no business losing to Brewster.

Give them props for what? Being great amongst heavies that suck? These mofos are coming to the ring with pork bellies to fight the Klits now. And the Bros. have losses to mediocre opposition. Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis are mediocre opposition. STFU loser.

Give them props for what? Being great amongst heavies that suck? These mofos are coming to the ring with pork bellies to fight the Klits now. And the Bros. have losses to mediocre opposition.

They deserve props. However, neither has established himself as the man, and unless somebody bumps off one of them and fights the other they never will. Plus, they don't take much risk. Vitali did against Lewis, but was beat. Perhaps they'll get recognition over time, like Larry Holmes. However, I would argue that the division is weaker today then it was in Holmes' time.

And the fact is, if Vlad was to enter each of his next 6 fights and went balls to the wall trying to blast guys out of there, he would end his career as one of the all time greats. Regardless of if he goes 4-2 in those fights. People will remember him going out in a ball of flames rather then his seriously boring part of the middle of his career.

Vitali got the biggest KO % in HW history (if not in boxing history) what else do you want if not other than to bring childish hate upon them? It's how they go about getting their KO's. I don't blame Vlad for being a complete wussy, i blame Manny Stewart for turning him into a scared lil girl. Vlad used to be one of the best offensive heavyweights to come around in a long long time. His fights were exciting, win or lose. Stewart can be directly attributed to the downfall of the heavyweight division. Fact.

Brilliant post BennyST. Summed up pretty much everything I wanted to say.

the Klits are BEAST......Wlad is the BEST HW on the planet!!.....Vitali is stopping Wlad from getting ALL those belts......and with his Olympic GOLD medal.......he'll have accomplished EVERYTHING possible in the sport of boxing.......he deserves that opportunity but his bigger brother is shine-blockin' IMO!!

Green to BennyST as well: Easily one of the best posts I've read in a while. Poet Where I'm from we'd call benny's post straight ether.

BennyST, standing ovations for your post. Green Karma from me.

You know the one thing that I find really interesting whenever these types of threads get made by a Klitschko fan? For example, you Hazard, just said the reasons why you think the Klitschko's are underrated and that you think that if they were American they would be considered as among the greatest of all time, and then you go on to ask everyone's opinion on the matter and say 'discuss', but, when anyone even slightly disagrees with you, even if they are just debating without any insult or just give their simple opinion, you jump out and say they are American idiots or they are just plain biased or racist against eastern Europeans or you simply insult them by weird things like 'Stop whining' and a million other insults to anyone that has just given their opinion, which you asked for, on why they think the Klit's are overrated. You asked for everyone here to tell you and discuss, so why are you being so insulting when they give their opinion to you? If all you wanted to hear was affirmation of your own ideas don't ask for other peoples opinions and ideas and don't ask them to discuss a subject which you brought up and are not willing to hear any differences of opinion on. This is one other reason why they get a lot of hate on this board. Whenever someone like you brings up this same type of thread, the exact same thing happens each and every time. You ask for opinions and when someone gives you theirs you insult them for it and abuse them about being racist, stupid or a Fat Yank or whatever. Anyway, that is off topic and another discussion. Back on topic: The biggest reason why a lot of people don't give the Klitschko's the time of day are quite simple really. There are two very basic reasons and they have nothing to do whatsoever with race or being American or anything so daft and inbred as that. The first and main reason is that they are quite simply boring to watch. Yes, they both have high KO %, but, if the entire fight consists of one huge guy towering over a little fat guy and the whole fight he backtracks and throws nothing but jabs and then moves and then jabs and then moves with the occasional right hand until finally around the ninth or tenth round one of those right hands get through and then the fight is over, well, you can see why the KO % doesn't add up to a good fight. Just do this before you argue or call me stupid: Go and watch a typical HW fight from the seventies, like Jerry Quarry vs Joe Frazier, or what about a more recent one in an era you said was weak and boring (the Larry Holmes era)? Try watching Norton vs Holmes or Shavers vs Holmes or any of his other fights. What about Lewis vs Mercer? Now, Vit Klit has been in a few good scraps but even they are few and far between and nothing of this eras best fights come close to matching some past eras just good fights. Not the best fights of past eras, they don't even match up to just the typical good ones. That is the biggest problem. Secondly: It is unfortunate, but, they just simply fight in the weakest, worst HW era that has ever been sadly. That is not their fault, but that doesn't matter. They are great for this era, but it is so terrible that it makes it near impossible to tell and understand how good they really are. When it comes down to it, the best fighter either one of them fought was old, in terrible fat ass shape but still ended beating the supposed 'better' brother by TKO. It was a close fight, but it still ended in TKO and it was the worst version of Lewis I've ever seen. No, I'm not biased, I don't even like Lewis. Of course one other thing people look at is that if (and I have a feeling you are not going to like hearing this and I'm going to get flamed for simply giving my opinion on the question you asked us to discuss) guys like Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders, Brewster etc are able to spark Wlad, then what would fighters who are faster, hit harder, have better defense, more stamina and are just simply a lot better fighters be able to do to him? He seems to have developed his defense better, but it is still just one fighter with a great hook, quick hands and decent defense that could put him out. All fighters lose, but you have to look at who they lose to, at what stage of their career they are at, how they lose etc etc. If it is a weak era and they lose to guys that are not really very good at all, and if it happens a number of times, then you really have to understand that in a very good era it would be happening a lot more. Like it or not. They are great fighters for this era, but for all time? I don't see it. Before you say it, no, I'm not a racist, American, patriotic nuthugger. Anyway, that's it. Boring and weak era. Simple as that. That is the reason they will always be considered good, and will eventually be considered very good, but unfortunately never great. Best post on the thread.

You know the one thing that I find really interesting whenever these types of threads get made by a Klitschko fan? For example, you Hazard, just said the reasons why you think the Klitschko's are underrated and that you think that if they were American they would be considered as among the greatest of all time, and then you go on to ask everyone's opinion on the matter and say 'discuss', but, when anyone even slightly disagrees with you, even if they are just debating without any insult or just give their simple opinion, you jump out and say they are American idiots or they are just plain biased or racist against eastern Europeans or you simply insult them by weird things like 'Stop whining' and a million other insults to anyone that has just given their opinion, which you asked for, on why they think the Klit's are overrated. You asked for everyone here to tell you and discuss, so why are you being so insulting when they give their opinion to you? If all you wanted to hear was affirmation of your own ideas don't ask for other peoples opinions and ideas and don't ask them to discuss a subject which you brought up and are not willing to hear any differences of opinion on. This is one other reason why they get a lot of hate on this board. Whenever someone like you brings up this same type of thread, the exact same thing happens each and every time. You ask for opinions and when someone gives you theirs you insult them for it and abuse them about being racist, stupid or a Fat Yank or whatever. Anyway, that is off topic and another discussion. Back on topic: The biggest reason why a lot of people don't give the Klitschko's the time of day are quite simple really. There are two very basic reasons and they have nothing to do whatsoever with race or being American or anything so daft and inbred as that. The first and main reason is that they are quite simply boring to watch. Yes, they both have high KO %, but, if the entire fight consists of one huge guy towering over a little fat guy and the whole fight he backtracks and throws nothing but jabs and then moves and then jabs and then moves with the occasional right hand until finally around the ninth or tenth round one of those right hands get through and then the fight is over, well, you can see why the KO % doesn't add up to a good fight. Just do this before you argue or call me stupid: Go and watch a typical HW fight from the seventies, like Jerry Quarry vs Joe Frazier, or what about a more recent one in an era you said was weak and boring (the Larry Holmes era)? Try watching Norton vs Holmes or Shavers vs Holmes or any of his other fights. What about Lewis vs Mercer? Now, Vit Klit has been in a few good scraps but even they are few and far between and nothing of this eras best fights come close to matching some past eras typically good fights. Not the best fights of past eras, the best fights of today don't even match up to just the typical good ones of past eras. That is the biggest problem. Secondly: It is unfortunate, but, they just simply fight in the weakest, worst HW era that has ever been sadly. That is not their fault, but that doesn't matter. They are great for this era, but it is so terrible that it makes it near impossible to tell and understand how good they really are. When it comes down to it, the best fighter either one of them fought was old, in terrible fat ass shape but still ended beating the supposed 'better' brother by TKO. It was a close fight, but it still ended in TKO and it was the worst version of Lewis I've ever seen. No, I'm not biased, I don't even like Lewis. Of course one other thing people look at is that if (and I have a feeling you are not going to like hearing this and I'm going to get flamed for simply giving my opinion on the question you asked us to discuss) guys like Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders, Brewster etc are able to spark Wlad, then what would fighters who are faster, hit harder, have better defense, more stamina and are just simply a lot better fighters be able to do to him? He seems to have developed his defense better, but it is still just one fighter with a great hook, quick hands and decent defense that could put him out. All fighters lose, but you have to look at who they lose to, at what stage of their career they are at, how they lose etc etc. If it is a weak era and they lose to guys that are not really very good at all, and if it happens a number of times, then you really have to understand that in a very good era it would be happening a lot more. Like it or not. They are great fighters for this era, but for all time? I don't see it. Before you say it, no, I'm not a racist, American, patriotic nuthugger. Anyway, that's it. Boring and weak era. Simple as that. That is the reason they will always be considered good, and will eventually be considered very good, but unfortunately never great.

your insults keep getting more and more creative. Does this turn you on? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/R-r0ZvrQ8aI/AAAAAAAAOv8/N6BtZzL0L4M/WladimirVitaliKlitschko05.jpg Who else is not suprised that Wlad is catching? Also hilarious that when I searched "Klitschko brothers" on google, several variations of this picture showed up on the first few pages. LOL.

No I mean sound you make like little prison girl getting her ass ****ed. your insults keep getting more and more creative. Does this turn you on? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/R-r0ZvrQ8aI/AAAAAAAAOv8/N6BtZzL0L4M/WladimirVitaliKlitschko05.jpg Who else is not suprised that Wlad is catching?

Like you whined after Vitali lost to Lennox? "He was winning before the stoppage! Nt fair!" Or when Wlad lost to Purrity, " He was winning clearly, he just got tired!" Or against Brewster "He was winning, but he was clearly drugged! Whaaaa" Or when he got dropped three times against Samuel "no form" Peter. "Those knockdowns were illegal! WHaaaaaaa" LOL @ you. The best one is the ref "cheated" Wlad against Brewster:nonono: :grumble:=Jim Jeffries"The ref cheated Wlad and helped pull him down against Brewster" lol

Why does the americans constantly fail to give the Klitscho's the props they deserve? It might be partially because of countless threads like this where the Klitchko-fans almost beg for other people to give them credit. I've rooted for the Klitchko's since the '90s but I don't try to make them look like super-humans unlike some of their fans, because they aren't. Just be patient, Klitchko's will get the credit they're worth of after several more knockout wins and when they end their respective careers.

cos hes not american for one, and with that you have to be exciting or at least interesting half of the time! Which lewis was!!!:boxing:

You mean the sound you make when Wlad bends you over? Or the sound you made when you first saw Wlad and Vitali posing together nude in a magazine? No I mean sound you make like little prison girl getting her ass ****ed.

You sound like woman. Stop whining. Stop make weird word like ''WHAAA'' You sound like little prison bitch. You mean the sound you make when Wlad bends you over? Or the sound you made when you first saw Wlad and Vitali posing together nude in a magazine?