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You must be a doctor right.... :wtf: My wife is and I watched the fight with her and some of her colleagues (also physicians).

Before i pick a winner for this fight im more interested to see Allan Green smack Ward around. Its going to be his biggest test as a pro. I agree, talking about the outcome of Ward vs Dirrell is premature at this point. Ward is going to have his hands full with Green. I'll see how he looks against Green first. Ward is not going to be able to do what he did against Kessler to beat Green. Green is more athletic than Kessler and is a more explosive puncher. Ward can still win but Green has a great chance as well. We'll see if Ward can keep Green off of him. Allan is great at cutting off the ring and unloading on his opponents.

Dirrell fought a great fight. Abraham should have known coming in that he'd have to be active a bit earlier because Dirrell was much quicker and more elusive to hit than anybody he'd ever faced before. Instead he fought Dirrell like he fought everyone in the past and this hurt him quite a bit. I watched the fight and I have to say I thought Dirrell was acting immediately. I felt this way for two main reasons. To start off with Abraham hit Dirrell in his jaw but Dirrell put his glove up to his temple area and acted as if the blow landed their instead. Even after he got back to his dressing room they were icing his temple area when he clearly got hit in his lower left jaw. Secondly, was my opinion of Dirrell's delayed response after he got hit. Specifically the way Dirrell started to shake as if he was convulsing after getting hit. This was very strange because if you get hit hard enough to convulse you do it immediately. Dirrell didn't start to convulse right away. You can get hit and have a delayed reaction (because your equilibrium is off) and then fall out but you don't get hit and have a delayed reaction and then start to convulse. When someone gets hit hard enough to shake they are truly ****ed up and it happens right away. You don't see someone get hit like Dirrell did, lie down with his hands on his head and then start to twitch 8-10 seconds later. This was bullshit. Dirrell fought a great fight but he was tired, knew he would win on the DQ and chose to act at the end. What Abraham did (fouling out of frustration) was bad and he deserved the DQ. Good fight nonetheless and the drama that has occurred so far in this tournament really makes me want to see who will prevail in the end...

He may not be able to generate the necessary force with this punch having tpo travel so far above him own head. So I am going to say no, he most likely would not. He wouldn't have to punch up if he didn't want to. Did you never see Tyson slay other fighters taller than him in his prime? He would bang that body until it caved in or until they bent down a bit to protect the body then he'd hit the head. But he didn't have to hit you in the head to get a KO. He only became a head hunter once he got older after his prison stint... After that he wasn't an effective body puncher (and had lost other fundamentals) like he'd been in the past.

3:03 is when it all happens left to the body, left to the head come on man, don't tell me you don't see that anyway yea, that's what it's like, most guys about to pass out will put their hands to their face, like they're trying to reach for the pain deep in their head Nice vids you posted but they don't help Dirrell's case. Yes I still believe Dirrell was faking and so do many other people, especially those with medical backgrounds. Like I said on a couple of other threads, I watched the fight with my wife (who is a doctor) and some of her colleagues (also physicians). No one is disputing the fact that you can get hit and have a delayed reaction and fall out unconcious. What is disputed is the way Dirrell took the hit and then started to act like he was convulsing about 10 seconds after Abraham fouled him. The doctors all agreed that if one is hit hard enough to convulse it would happen right away. If you are hit hard enough to convulse it means that your brain's activity has been interrupted and the brain is no longer in control of your limbs/bodily functions. Again, this happens immediately. During these convulsions you can piss on yourself, drool, defecate, etc... because the brain isn't in control of the bodily functions. This is considered to be significant head trauma as opposed to most knockouts in which the brain is still functioning and the equilibrium (balance of the person is just affected). After being hit Dirrell didn't start to convulse right away and during this time he was moving his limbs himself as well as talking and grimacing because of the pain he felt. If you get hit hard enough to convulse you aren't able to talk, move your limbs on your own, etc... You don't feel the pain from the blow either until you've stopped convulsing. Dirrell might have been hurt and even stunned from the blow from Abraham but he was acting when he started to shake his body 8-10 seconds after the blow. That kind of delay isn't medically possible. He would have started to convulse immediately if the punch had ****ed him up that badly. Dirrell boxed a great fight but was getting tired (as he has shown a propensity to do in many of his fights), was intentionally fouled by Abraham and knew if he acted like the blow had really hurt he would win on the DQ. The plan worked perfectly except for the fact that he over did it by pretending to convulse. He can fool you gullible guys up here who aren't aware of how the body functions or who just don't want to believe a fighter would do that but he can't fool anybody who knows anything about how the body functions.

Damn, how can you not be a fan of this guy? Whether he's right or wrong, that was a great read. Yeah, I agree. Not really a Froch fan but you have to like his confidence. Anybody who refers to themselves in the third person is always entertaining.

Stupid. They televise a defensive, thinking fighter and then drop him when he goes out and fights in a defensive, thoughtful manner. If the majority of the posters on this site could predict how the fight was gonna play out to a tee, surely HBO has someone at hand who could advise them in advance of the style of the boxers they are paying. Clottey usually is a defensive, thinking, counter-punching fighter. However vs Pacquiao, Clottey didn't display any of these skills. He simply protected his head and body the best he could and rarely threw any punches. He wasn't fighting to outbox Pacquiao and he also wasn't fighting to KO Pacquiao. He was only in there to survive and not get knocked out. He wasn't trying to win. Their was nothing thoughtful about the way he fought, it was a shameful performance as a challenger in a title fight to not try to win. No one thought he was going to change his style and throw more punches than Manny or anything like that. We did expect him to FIGHT TO WIN like all challengers should. We expected to see him counterpunching and throwing combinations. He didn't do this and that's why he won't ever be considered to be a serious contender again. The best example of a defensive, thinking, counter-punching fighter in the sport today is Mayweather. If Pacquiao and he ever fight we will see him employ the gameplan Clottey should have used against Manny. He won't go in thinking he's going to throw more punches than Manny either. He will be economical with his punches but he will be TRYING TO WIN. Clottey should have tried the same thing...

Nope, Cotto was damaged goods after his fight with Margacheato. He quit physically and mentally in that fight. Fighters are never the same when they quit physically and mentally. Cotto was better against SSM than he was against Manny. Cotto looked scared after the 4th round. Cotto has never recover from his fight with Margacheato. DLH was shot and past his prime. Roach said DLH killed himself to make weight and he couldn't pull the trigger anymore. DLH had no choice to come down to 147 because Manny was not coming up to 154. I agree with you about SSM. Cotto wasn't beat mentally by Margarito. He quit because he couldn't continue physically. Even if he was a little down mentally after the fight he was able to recover (self-admittedly so in interviews he's given regarding the Margarito fight) because Margarito was caught trying to cheat in his next fight. Cotto was able to heal his psyche by telling himself (and from others in his camp and fans around the world telling him) that Margarito was probably cheating against him during that loss. Cotto wasn't scared against Manny because of anything lingering from the Margarito loss. He became tentative because by the 4th round he'd already hit Manny with his best shots and Manny was still coming forward not budging a bit. That's why the Manny loss was far worse. Cotto had no excuse to fall back on after the Pacquiao fight like he eventually did after Margarito was caught cheating. Athletes and people in general always look for an excuse as to why they lost or failed at something. This is called a coping mechanism. It's not a bad thing because if you can justify a loss (like Cotto was eventually able to do after Margarito was later caught attempting to cheat) it means that you don't feel you actually lost and are able to recover and put it behind you quicker. De La Hoya wasn't shot but he was past his prime when he fought Pacquiao (just like Mosley isn't shot but is past his prime entering this fight vs Mayweather). DLH was the one who made Manny come up 2 weight classes while he only went down one. Manny had to meet DLH's conditions to the fight just like Mayweather had to when he fought DLH. DLH being weight-drained was his fault, not Mannys. Manny beat the fighter in front of him and DLH praised his effort after the fight. Let's hope Mosley can summon one last great effort (he'll need it) against Mayweather on May 1st. Then we can hope the winner fights Pacquiao later this year...

No. Why would I or anybody for that matter be sick and tired of Freddie Roach? He is no different than many other trainers and promoters (and fighters) who run their mouths. At least it's only him in his camp that really runs their mouth. In some camps (like the Mayweather camp for instance) you have everyone involved running their mouths. You have fighter (Floyd), trainer (Roger) and former trainer and daddy (Floyd Sr) all running their mouths. The Mayweathers don't bother me either though. Boxing is a sport but it's also a business, and the antics of fighters, trainers, promoters, etc... are all just entertainment. They're in the money making business and they know it. The more you run your mouth the more controversy you stir up the more hype their is surrounding the fights=more money they all ultimately make.

I'm not sure that helping boxing was the original reason Mayweather asked for the tests in the first place (I think it was gamesmanship on his part to rattle Pacquiao) but tests like these are and will help boxing (and every sport) in the future. Boxing has always been one of the most corrupt and unorganized sports so these tests will help clean it up and give it more credibility. I hope blood testing is one day used by all sports to help monitor the use of illegal substances.

Well, I can't argue MAB because I don't take that away from Pacquiao in the first place. I still think something was off, maybe I am wrong, I don't know. But Mosley isn't shot, old maybe but anyone calling him shot, I don't agree with that. Barrera was a great win for Pacquiao. Unless you've been through wars, 29 is still prime time for a fighter. Mosley at 39 isn't shot but he's definitely old and because of that he doesn't give consistent good performances like a younger fighter would. Lets hope May 1st is a good (if not great) performance for him.

Cotto is damaged goods. DLH is shot, past prime, and was weight drained. Clottey is a B-level fighter who has no offensive game. SSM right now > Better than anyone who Manny fought. Cotto didn't really become damaged until Manny beat him. You can recover from a physical beating (like the one Margarito gave him). That was the only beating Cotto had ever had up to that point in his career. He was able to get over it quickly, especially since he could tell himself that he probably didn't really get beat fair and square after Margarito was caught cheating in his very next fight. Pacquiao's beating was worse. He beat Cotto physically and Cotto can't ease the beating his psyche took because their are no excuses like after the Margarito fight, Pacquiao beat him fair and square. De La Hoya didn't feel he was past prime and many thought he'd win. Pacquiao didn't force him to fight at 147, it was De La Hoya who said he'd drop down from 154 to 147 while requiring Pacquiao to move up 2 weight classes from 135 to 147. De La Hoya dictated everything about this fight (just as he did when he fought Mayweather) from the weight, to the size of the gloves to the location and Manny still prevailed. Clottey is a B-level fighter however he has displayed much more offense in the past against other opponents (like Cotto). He wasn't aggressive because he didn't want to get knocked out like Manny's other recent victims. Shane Mosley is a great fighter and is the first true test for Mayweather since his De La Hoya fight almost three years ago.

I've been critical of Wlad, like most. He's failed to thrill. While some say he's been KOing everyone, and that should be exciting enough, just listen to Emmanuel Steward in his fights. He pleads with Wlad to be more aggressive and press the issue. Sometimes he does, and sometimes he just takes the easy way out. But what can't be ignored is the sheer dominance and professionalism that he has displayed consistantly over the last couple years. As an American, I'm always appauled at the conditioning of our so called "heavyweight contenders", yet for Wlad and his brother Vitali, this is never an issue. Wlad always comes in the ring in excellent shape and seems to have excellent endurance now too. I think it's time Americans get on board and recognize Wlad as a great champion and yes, a Hall of Famer, regardless of how many doughnuts our American heavyweights have been eating. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/3/21/1269130774041/Wladimir-Klitschko-001.jpg It's not about coming around. The Klitschko bros get respect but unfortunately (through no fault of their own) they are fighting in what has been the weakest heavyweight era ever. I would have loved to have seen them vs prime examples of heavyweights from other eras. The best fighter either one has faced was a not prime but certainly not shot Lennox Lewis that Vitali fought. Even though Lewis won due to the cut I came away respecting Vitali for his great effort because he might have won had he not gotten injured. The only negative I can think of about the Klitschko's is that they can be too cautious sometimes when fighting. They have the ability to KO most of these chumps brutally and much quicker than they do. Like in the first three rounds instead of simply winning a lopsided decision (like in Vitali's last fight) or a late round KO (like in Wladimir's last fight). Wladimir became a bit cautious after being knocked around a couple of times and I think Vitali has became cautious due to his older age, inactivity and injuries. I still think they should throw caution to the wind and KO these bums in as impressive fashion as they can. This would make people anticipate their fights more and lead to more respect from the general public. So any respect the Klitschko's don't get is mainly attributable to the weak challengers (again, not their fault) available not because they're not American or anything like that. Look at other overseas sensations. Pacquiao is being lauded as a hero by many and he's foreign but he's been defeating better opposition who are known to the American public compared to the losers the Klitschkos have to face.

Its going to be about as one sided of a beating as anyone has ever seen. Roy is going to look about ready to cry 3 rounds in. I don't think so. Most likely scenario is a decision win for Roy Jones Jr. The only person Bernard has beat up recently was Kelly Pavlik and that's because Pavlik is an aggressive fighter who comes at you. Roy is simply going to move, use angles and outbox Bernard. Roy has slowed down but he's still way quicker than Bernard. Styles make fights and this matchup is always a stylistically difficult one for Bernard to win.

no power? dirrell was splitting AA's guard and dirrell knocked down AA. Dirrell definitely has decent power. Not great but it is ok. Much of the bruising around Abraham's eyes came from Dirrell's punches hitting Arthur's gloves (Arthur has a high guard with both hands up near his eyes) and the gloves were then pushed into his eye area. One of the commentators noted this during the fight. Dirrell split Abraham's guard on a few occasions but the bulk of that eye area bruising occurs after every Abraham fight because he doesn't slip punches, he catches them with his guard at eye-level.

thats why boxers should watch what they sign i would even say make enough money and go out and promote yourself like mayweather and roy jones jr and a few others Roy Jones Jr certainly promoted himself for most of his career and maybe this is why certain very lucrative fights didn't occur (rematches with Toney or Hopkins when all were still young would have made a lot of $$$) as well as other fights with better opposition than who he chose to fight. Jones did the best he could but would have been better off if he had a promoter. Mayweather has a promotional company but really uses Golden Boy (they get a percentage of all his fights) to promote him. Sure, the downside to having a promoter is that they get some of your earnings. But I feel this is offset by being able to get bigger fights. Promoters specialize in the business aspect (no matter how much we hate them promoters like King, Arum, etc... make $$$ and handle all the details better than most boxers can with De La Hoya being the only real exception to this). I agree with you though, fighters need to be smarter and have an independent lawyer look over any promotional contract they sign. I just don't see too many out there though that are capable of sufficiently promoting and managing themselves and all of the business related aspects of the sport while still focusing on fighting at the same time.

List the fighters he needs to face and beat to be considered the best of this era. He is fighting Mosley so that takes him off the list. Who else is there? The post below is something I wrote on another thread but it addresses your question and how I feel about Mayweather... How many other boxers fought a prime Vernon Forrest? Not many. Vernon Forrest was as avoided in his prime as Paul Williams is today (both are very tall/lanky fighters who were/are superb boxers). Shane was unbeaten and on top of the world at the time and could have avoided a fight with Forrest like other boxers. He fought him twice though (second fight was competitive) and this says a lot about the kind of mentality and heart he has. When is Mayweather going to fight a young prime fighter that presents the same kind of stylistic problems that someone like Vernon Forrest did for Mosley? That fighter currently certainly exists in the form of Paul Williams. We will see if Mayweather has the heart to fight someone like that who has physical advantages over him. We know Mosley had the heart to do it when he was undefeated and regarded as the best as Mayweather currently is. People ask why do so many seem to hate on Mayweather? I don't hate him (he is one of the most talented boxers I've ever seen) but their are fighters out there who could beat him. I want to see him fight those fighters. If he is truly the best ever as he likes to claim he will prevail. Mosley was in the same position and took those challenges. That's why many boxing fans root against Mayweather so ardently, because he hasn't taken those same challenges (they are out there) and self-admittedly only fights for the $$$... Mosley fought Wright twice at 154 lbs. Wright was the naturally bigger man and was also being avoided by many elite fighters when Shane fought him (second fight was very competitive, actually scored a tie on one judges card). Not many fighters have looked good against Wright other than Fernando Vargas (who Mosley beat twice although he was shot at this point) Hopkins during certain spurts although he was the much larger man, and of course Paul Williams. Again, when one looks at Mayweather's resume you don't see fighters on it that were avoided or who were known as fighters that you don't look good against (even if you win) like Winky Wright. This again speaks volumes about the different mentalities the two fighters (Mosley and Mayweather) possess. One has truly been willing to fight the most challenging fighters while the other hasn't displayed this same mentality. Mayweather still has some time to do this before his career ends. Cotto barely was able to get a decision win against a 36 yr old Mosley when he was 27. What does this tell you about what might have happened had he fought a Mosley who was in his prime? Cotto barely won this fight and after this fight I knew his skills weren't as good as advertised and wasn't surprised when other fighters (one who probably cheated) including the smaller Pacquiao were able to defeat him. But regardless of that the point remains that Mosley was willing to fight a younger, prime fighter at his advanced age of 36. Sure, you can say he had nothing to lose so of course he'd take the fight but could you see Mayweather doing the same thing? When Floyd is 36 do you see him fighting a much younger fighter who is favored to beat him? In 2013 when Floyd is 36 could you envision him fighting Devon Alexander who will be 26? I don't think so, especially if he is still making a concious effort to fight opponents who aren't really threats to blemish his undefeated record. Irrespective of how he might look in sparring I hope that on May 1st Mosley is able to fight as well as he can. He is old but he is far from being shot. Old means that you might not be consistent from fight to fight, some fights you might look like your younger prime self and other fights you might look a little slow. Being shot means you can't sustain any consistency, not only from one fight to the next but even from one round to another (Roy Jones Jr). Mosley is still very much capable of looking like his prime self for an entire fight. If he can fight as well as he has in the recent past he will present problems for Floyd. I am looking forward to seeing a competitive fight and I don't see it being a one-sided Mayweather victory. Two of the three fighters who have defeated Mosley were avoided fighters who had physical advantages (Forrest's height/length, Wright being a naturally larger fighter at 154). Cotto also won and I'd attribute this to him being a solid fighter who was in his prime. Mosley's five losses (to these three different opponents) are not bad losses. He has never lost to a boxer who fights like Mayweather (superb mover) because in the past he possessed enough quickness to keep up with boxers like Floyd. We'll see on May 1st if he still has enough of his quickness to get close to Floyd and land his power shots. I think he does still have enough (nothing I've seen from him recently indicates otherwise and he seems to be very motivated to beat Mayweather) and look forward to viewing a competitive fight...

The pattern was set very early in this fight though. I thought Tim would be the aggressor and carry the fight to Devon and you could see that occurring after the first couple of minutes. I actually told my wife the same thing Emanuel said, that the fight was playing out exactly how I thought it would. Tim was just walking him down and putting immense mental and physical pressure on Devon. I didn't think it was that bad of a fight before Devon "tapped out" and quit but I did see it being an almost complete shutout in Tim's favor. Devon won no more than two rounds in my opinion.

I guess Floyd fighting Hernandez at 21 years old with 18 fights while he was a still a prospect is not a risk? Fighting a 33-0 Corralles at 130 wasn't a risk? Fighting Castillo in your first 135 Pound fight wasn't a risk? Then having a close fight where some said he lost and then re-matched Castillo asap wasn't a risk? Fighting Oscar at 154 Pounds with small gloves and a small ring wasn't a risk? Hernandez, Corralles, Castillo and rematch were all risks. Oscar was a threat to Mayweather (he could have won) but I wouldn't call it a real risk because everyone knew at that point in their respective careers that Floyd would outbox him. What you listed is good though however I think it shows that Floyd hasn't taken any risks recently. If you want to count the De La Hoya fight as a risk you can (I don't) but what real risks (in terms of fighting opponents that have real skill or who are recognized as the best) has Mayweather taken in the last 7 or 8 years? The undeniable truth is that he has chosen to fight the Gatti's, Hatton's, Marquez's, Baldomir's, etc of the world instead of fighting the Mosley's, Cotto's, Margarito's, William's, etc... The results of the poll show that most people feel your wins and LOSSES both build your resume, not just wins. Mosley's resume is better than Mayweather's resume, no way to doubt this. Mosley fought fighters that he could have avoided (that others avoided like Forrest/Wright) and has fought more good fighters who were still in their primes than Mayweather has. I like Mayweather as a fighter and feel he has the potential to beat anybody but he hasn't been doing it since he's gotten to 147. Beating Mosley (who still has plenty left in his tank) and then beating some of the other top welterweights (Pacquiao, Berto, etc..) will go a long way towards helping his resume. Unfortunately since he hasn't wanted to fight them they've been fighting one another (Cotto vs Margarito/Mosley vs Cotto, etc) and a victory over them doesn't carry the same weight it could have if he had fought them when he 1st came to welterweight almost 5 years ago now. If he really wants to leave little doubt as to who the best is he should fight a big, young, prime fighter (Paul Williams comes to mind) at 154 or even 160. He has the skills to do it (other true greats have done it like Sugar Ray Leonard coming out of retirement to fight Hagler at 160) but it remains to be seen if he has the guts to pull it off.

He hits like a freight train. Talks alot of shit. Fun to watch. Big, Fast, Strong and Explosive. Whats not to like? How many heavyweights nowadays have a lot of fans? Not many, other than the Klitschko bros who have their country behind them. The heavyweight division is lacking fighters with all-around talent and exciting personalities. Many people erroneously think that "talking shit" means a guy has character or something but more often than not it means you're just a shit talking loser. The next heavyweight to come out, beat his competitors in exciting/dominating fashion and unify the three major belts will be the one that fans follow and support. Until then the Klitschko bros have it locked down.

I agree with a young George Foreman and Terrible Terry Norris as well.

Hagler was intimidating. So is James Toney. Of course Tyson in the 80's. Those three immediately come to mind. Timothy Bradley is getting there I think, his body scares people before the fight even starts.

Well that would help......but the sanctioning bodies need to get there heads out of their asses........ Athletic commissions have a conflict of interest in these matters as do the sanctioning bodies...... WADA's mandate is test and test randomly....and uncover drug use...that is their mandate.....the sanctioning bodies need to outsource testing to WADA or USADA.......no conflicts of interest and no other mandates apart from catching dopers..... Realistically uit can't be left up to the fighters.... 1. Because there is undoubtedly fighters who dope and 2. The paydays on offer will make them accept fights without testing.... needs to come from the top......legitimise boxing 100%......boxing should have the very best standards in place given the inherently violent nature of the sport You're 100% right. What Floyd is doing is commendable (if he really wants the mandatory blood testing to clean up the sport) however the fighters could never effect such change because they don't run the sport. Unfortunately, we have many different ruling bodies (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, etc...) that have input as well as different boxing commissions in almost every state. This highlights the main problem with boxing, the reason it hasn't become more mainstream and larger in the sporting world, too much fragmentation due to not having ONE ruling body in charge of the entire sport. That's why you have corruption and a general lack of consensus on every little thing (a million different recognized champions, fighters being ranked as contender #1 by one organization and not even ranked by another because of personal reasons, etc...). Boxing needs to clean up their sport (I'm sure their are plenty of boxers taking HGH and other things to enhance their performances) however to do this effectively they need ONE ruling body. Boxing needs a David Stern, a Roger Goodell or they need a group of people (supreme court) to decide on matters. They need a person to be in charge who isn't connected to any current ruling body or commission to come in, clean house and implement whatever they feel is necessary (blood testing instead of urine testing) to get to the point where all rules are identical for everybody.

He ranks up there for sure. In his prime he had great head movement however his footwork was really superior. His footwork was such that he always kept himself in proper range to throw his punches after eluding his opponents. He was a great counter puncher. His prime was short but I believe at his peak he would have been trouble for anyone. Buster Douglas showed us the blueprint on how to beat him. 1. Have a good jab and use it to frustrate and outwork him. 2. Be athletic enough to move around the ring and strong enough to prevent him from mauling you inside. 3. Have the balls to stand up to him and fire off your own power punches when you have the chance to do so. I don't think Lennox Lewis or either of the Klitschko brothers would be too tall/big for Tyson to handle, he knocked out plenty of very tall/large fighters in his day and had no problem getting to them (in his prime he was a great body puncher who would destroy the body before killing the head). I feel all three of them had the jab to bother Tyson. All were very strong but I don't feel Vitali had the same level of athleticism his brother or Lennox had. I do wonder if all three would have the balls to stand up to him though. All three are/were very slow starters who really never started fights off with a bang and all of them were content to use their jab much more than their power punches. Having a great jab vs Tyson was a must to win against him in his prime but you also had to be willing to open up and deliver power punches to sap his strength (as Douglas did) throughout the fight. I wonder how Lewis and the Klitschko's would fare against an opponent who came out and was on their ass right away at the opening bell and stayed on them throughout the fight (like a prime Tyson would do). Would they get really aggressive and be able to prevail or would they be overwhelmed and cave in? I have no idea, none of them has ever faced a fighter who employed such a strategy and had the skills (head movement, footwork, aggressiveness, counter-punching ability and one punch KO power with each fist) Tyson possessed. One fighter who could win against a prime Tyson (he did beat him but I don't consider post-prison Tyson to be prime)was Holyfield. Despite not having a great jab Evander might have been successful against Tyson even in his prime because he was extremely athletic, had no fear, was very physical and got mad during his fights. Evander was the type of guy who would come right back at you in an aggressive manner if you hit him (thats how he was able to beat Riddick Bowe in their 2nd fight although this same aggressiveness was why he lost the 1st and 3rd fights in their trilogy, getting into a slugfest with a stronger, bigger man). Plus a prime Holyfield would have the advantage of steroids and HGH (had to throw that in their, he was a known user of both).

Andre Ward is not going to be able to outbox Allan Green the same way he did Kessler. Green is much more athletic than Kessler and is also more adept at cutting off the ring to set up his power shots. It should be an interesting fight. I think that if Green is able to hit Ward (and believe he will be because Ward is not really a slick boxer like Dirrell) he'll be able to get him out of there. I'd actually rather see Green win and know he's definitely capable of defeating Ward.

One, Martinez didn't KO Margarito (He lost actually). Two, Diego Corrales was significantly bigger than him Now what u said about May's only acceptable fight other than Pac being against the Martinez/Williams winner. I agree Thanks for correcting me!

If you believe Manny is going to fight Sergio or Paul, then I have some under water beach front property to sell you. What is so impressive about fighting Margarito? Seriously. Margarito has not been relevant for years. Thanks dude but I already own a beach house. I never said I thought he would; I said imagine if he did and won. If I were Manny this would be the last significantly larger man I'd fight. I'd go back to 147 or even 140 and beat some of the talent there. What's impressive about Margarito is that he up to this point he was still relevant. You don't see Mayweather fighting him (even when he was still relevant). Mayweather would rather fight men smaller than him. Mayweather has great skills. Pacquiao has great skills. Pacquiao puts his on full display against people who actually have physical advantages against him. Mayweather hasn't been doing this recently. Mayweather's best 2 wins are against De La Hoya (split decision) and Diego Corrales.

Pacquiao certainly has a better resume than Floyd(who has done little in the last few yrs) but what happened tonight didn't affect my thoughts on a fight between them...I was never impressed with Margarito... Yeah, I'm not saying I think Pacquiao would destroy Mayweather. But he does have a style that would give Floyd more problems than anyone he's ever faced. It would be a great fight. I'm not sure if it's going to happen though. Mayweather has a lot of problems in his personal life right now.

Margarito is garbage and his best win has a question mark over it... Now if Pac beats Floyd, we may have a discussion... Margarito is probably garbage now for sure as far as being a serious contender. But he wasn't garbage when he challenged Mayweather to fight him; that was before the KO losses to Mosley, Martinez and Pacquiao... Mayweather didn't want to fight him before he was garbage. When is Mayweather going to fight someone significantly larger than him who is still in his prime? The De La Hoya fight was years ago and since then Pacquiao has definitely taken over and has had the better career. The only potential fights that most people will give Mayweather credit for at this point would be the winner of Martinez/Williams II or Pacquiao.

Imagine what will happen if Pacquiao fights the winner of Martinez/Williams II next and prevails in that fight? His overall career resume is already better than Mayweather's. If he were to beat Martinez or Williams next it would be extremely impressive. How is Mayweather going to top that?