PAC Already has a better resume at WW

Cotto cheated to beat Judah... so yea I dont see how thats funny Then Clottey stood there with his hands on his face and still bust Pac face up. He gets credit for that?????

Do you think the 145 lb. catchweight had any effect on Cotto? Cotto came in at 146 with Clottey. EVeryone was saying that Cotto look in the best shape in his life.. Cotto never complained once about the weight.. the only people who complain about catchweight are Flomos..

Cotto is damaged goods. DLH is shot, past prime, and was weight drained. Clottey is a B-level fighter who has no offensive game. SSM right now > Better than anyone who Manny fought. By your logic.. Cotto has the best Resume.. he beat Judah, SSM, Clottey But Pac destroyed.. Cotto....

past his prime shane? the same guy who cotto outbox easy? yeah... See here is where we might disagree since I scored the Shane-Cotto fight a draw. And, as of right now I rate this version of Shane higher than the version of Cotto that Pac fought. When Pac fought Cotto I had Cotto at #2 and Shane at #1 bro and so did the Ring bro. I mean you should take that into account also bro. Like I said rigth now as of right now Pac has the better WW resume. But, that could change IF Floyd beats Shane.

Cotto is damaged goods. DLH is shot, past prime, and was weight drained. Clottey is a B-level fighter who has no offensive game. SSM right now > Better than anyone who Manny fought. This is true and as far as manny having a better resume at WW as of now i guess it depends how you look at it. Floyd fought the two top fighters at the time when he first arrived in the division and manny has yet to fight the #1 guy soooooo. I guess you could say he has a better resume because you feel cotto was better than Judah in his prime on Nov. 8th but I'm not 100% sure of that either. The DLH fight however... I would just leave that fight out of your argument all of the more knowledgeable fans on here know DLH was in horrible shape for that fight which isn't manny's fault but the fact still remains that he was.

The man is still a B-level fighter, lol. Pac's team could've waited a few more weeks for Mosley and Manny would have been fighting SSM instead of Clottey. No one forced them to fight Clottey. LOL, nice try buddy. It seems pac's team knew that there is an earthquake coming to destroy the haitti that will cancel the berto-mosley fight. :banghead:

Is the current Cotto better than the current SSM? yes, much better.

Uhh Oscar fought at 147 and hadnt fought 8 years at that weight and was OBVIOUSLY weight drained. Pac didnt fight Cotto at 147 he fought him at a catch weight of 145. And Clottey is probably the 5th best welterweight. Shane is the #1 welterweight.

Cotto is damaged goods. DLH is shot, past prime, and was weight drained. Clottey is a B-level fighter who has no offensive game. SSM right now > Better than anyone who Manny fought. clottey that pac fought destroyed the present mosley. Mosley was just too old and past of prime now.

Than Floyd.....LMAO! Oscar, Cotto & Clottey already? Floyd wouldn't touch fights with Cotto or Clottey in fear that they could possibly beat him. I personally don't think either fighter would but I'm just saying.....Floyd is a punk. He's finally fighting Mosley which I'll give him credit for but Mosley is getting older & it'd wouldn't surprise me if unfortunately this is the fight he begins to show it in.....I hope to god not though. He can, if in top form & fired up give Floyd the fight of his life and also win.....By KO. Mosley has power so if he can catch Floyd clean & wobble him & move in for the kill.....It wouldn't shock me to see Floyd crumble.....I'd love to see it in fact. All that said I'd like to see Floyd win simply because I really wanna see him fight Pac..... where have u been bro.. u havent posted in a while

Nope, Cotto was damaged goods after his fight with Margacheato. He quit physically and mentally in that fight. Fighters are never the same when they quit physically and mentally. Cotto was better against SSM than he was against Manny. Cotto looked scared after the 4th round. Cotto has never recover from his fight with Margacheato. DLH was shot and past his prime. Roach said DLH killed himself to make weight and he couldn't pull the trigger anymore. DLH had no choice to come down to 147 because Manny was not coming up to 154. I agree with you about SSM. Cotto wasn't beat mentally by Margarito. He quit because he couldn't continue physically. Even if he was a little down mentally after the fight he was able to recover (self-admittedly so in interviews he's given regarding the Margarito fight) because Margarito was caught trying to cheat in his next fight. Cotto was able to heal his psyche by telling himself (and from others in his camp and fans around the world telling him) that Margarito was probably cheating against him during that loss. Cotto wasn't scared against Manny because of anything lingering from the Margarito loss. He became tentative because by the 4th round he'd already hit Manny with his best shots and Manny was still coming forward not budging a bit. That's why the Manny loss was far worse. Cotto had no excuse to fall back on after the Pacquiao fight like he eventually did after Margarito was caught cheating. Athletes and people in general always look for an excuse as to why they lost or failed at something. This is called a coping mechanism. It's not a bad thing because if you can justify a loss (like Cotto was eventually able to do after Margarito was later caught attempting to cheat) it means that you don't feel you actually lost and are able to recover and put it behind you quicker. De La Hoya wasn't shot but he was past his prime when he fought Pacquiao (just like Mosley isn't shot but is past his prime entering this fight vs Mayweather). DLH was the one who made Manny come up 2 weight classes while he only went down one. Manny had to meet DLH's conditions to the fight just like Mayweather had to when he fought DLH. DLH being weight-drained was his fault, not Mannys. Manny beat the fighter in front of him and DLH praised his effort after the fight. Let's hope Mosley can summon one last great effort (he'll need it) against Mayweather on May 1st. Then we can hope the winner fights Pacquiao later this year...

As of right now IMO Pac has the better WW resume. However, that can change if Floyd beats Shane.

hence the reason for my Sig^ The truth hurts.

This is a dumb ass thread. Mayweather defeats Mosley May 1st = 2x Ring Magazine WW Champ. Talk to me when Paq achieves the same. :damnit: Shane-PBF will not crown a lineal champion. Pac is ranked #1 by Ring presently, though I believe Mosley should be.

Cotto is damaged goods. DLH is shot, past prime, and was weight drained. Clottey is a B-level fighter who has no offensive game. SSM right now > Better than anyone who Manny fought. hence the reason for my Sig^

I was trying to keep it simple that way. I didn't even mention Hatton who actually fought Floyd at WW (147) but Manny at SLW(140) BUT THOSE FIGHTS ALSO COULD HAVE A SLIGHT BIT OF RELEVENCE. mANNY DESTROYED HIM IN 2 WHEN IT TOOK fLOYD 10 TO FIND THAT CHECK HOOK AT THE PERFECT TIME.....oOPS I hit the caps button & am not going back to fix it all. I'm not trying to point anything out with it for the record lol.... Obviously a guy who goes in the ring to seek and destroy is going to finish someone faster than a counter-puncher who would prefer the fight to come to him. Also if you watched that fight closely, that wasn't not the first time Hatton was hit by that check left hook. It was not an accident that he ended up getting knocked out as a result of that punch. In the end I don't think that fight will have much relevance to how Pacquiao and Mayweather fight each other. That fight really just proves that styles make fights.

Cotto didn't really become damaged until Manny beat him. You can recover from a physical beating (like the one Margarito gave him). That was the only beating Cotto had ever had up to that point in his career. He was able to get over it quickly, especially since he could tell himself that he probably didn't really get beat fair and square after Margarito was caught cheating in his very next fight. Pacquiao's beating was worse. He beat Cotto physically and Cotto can't ease the beating his psyche took because their are no excuses like after the Margarito fight, Pacquiao beat him fair and square. De La Hoya didn't feel he was past prime and many thought he'd win. Pacquiao didn't force him to fight at 147, it was De La Hoya who said he'd drop down from 154 to 147 while requiring Pacquiao to move up 2 weight classes from 135 to 147. De La Hoya dictated everything about this fight (just as he did when he fought Mayweather) from the weight, to the size of the gloves to the location and Manny still prevailed. Clottey is a B-level fighter however he has displayed much more offense in the past against other opponents (like Cotto). He wasn't aggressive because he didn't want to get knocked out like Manny's other recent victims. Shane Mosley is a great fighter and is the first true test for Mayweather since his De La Hoya fight almost three years ago. Nope, Cotto was damaged goods after his fight with Margacheato. He quit physically and mentally in that fight. Fighters are never the same when they quit physically and mentally. Cotto was better against SSM than he was against Manny. Cotto looked scared after the 4th round. Cotto has never recover from his fight with Margacheato. DLH was shot and past his prime. Roach said DLH killed himself to make weight and he couldn't pull the trigger anymore. DLH had no choice to come down to 147 because Manny was not coming up to 154. I agree with you about SSM.

The thread isn't overall resume though. It's only WW fights. I was trying to keep it simple that way. I didn't even mention Hatton who actually fought Floyd at WW (147) but Manny at SLW(140) BUT THOSE FIGHTS ALSO COULD HAVE A SLIGHT BIT OF RELEVENCE. mANNY DESTROYED HIM IN 2 WHEN IT TOOK fLOYD 10 TO FIND THAT CHECK HOOK AT THE PERFECT TIME.....oOPS I hit the caps button & am not going back to fix it all. I'm not trying to point anything out with it for the record lol....

Clottey, Cotto>>> Baldomir. Easy. :D Old grandpa Mosley, Judah, Baldomir, Hatton > Past prime DLH, damage goods Cotto, and B-level Clottey.

Nah, Cotto was catchweight. Mosley, Judah, Baldomir, Hatton >>>>> Clottey, ODLH. Cotto at 145 is more WW than Hatton ever was, and better than judah, baldomir. Throw in Clottey in there too. Mosley and Floyd havent even fought yet so how does he get credit