do you think these guys were faking it?

3:03 is when it all happens left to the body, left to the head come on man, don't tell me you don't see that anyway yea, that's what it's like, most guys about to pass out will put their hands to their face, like they're trying to reach for the pain deep in their head Nice vids you posted but they don't help Dirrell's case. Yes I still believe Dirrell was faking and so do many other people, especially those with medical backgrounds. Like I said on a couple of other threads, I watched the fight with my wife (who is a doctor) and some of her colleagues (also physicians). No one is disputing the fact that you can get hit and have a delayed reaction and fall out unconcious. What is disputed is the way Dirrell took the hit and then started to act like he was convulsing about 10 seconds after Abraham fouled him. The doctors all agreed that if one is hit hard enough to convulse it would happen right away. If you are hit hard enough to convulse it means that your brain's activity has been interrupted and the brain is no longer in control of your limbs/bodily functions. Again, this happens immediately. During these convulsions you can piss on yourself, drool, defecate, etc... because the brain isn't in control of the bodily functions. This is considered to be significant head trauma as opposed to most knockouts in which the brain is still functioning and the equilibrium (balance of the person is just affected). After being hit Dirrell didn't start to convulse right away and during this time he was moving his limbs himself as well as talking and grimacing because of the pain he felt. If you get hit hard enough to convulse you aren't able to talk, move your limbs on your own, etc... You don't feel the pain from the blow either until you've stopped convulsing. Dirrell might have been hurt and even stunned from the blow from Abraham but he was acting when he started to shake his body 8-10 seconds after the blow. That kind of delay isn't medically possible. He would have started to convulse immediately if the punch had ****ed him up that badly. Dirrell boxed a great fight but was getting tired (as he has shown a propensity to do in many of his fights), was intentionally fouled by Abraham and knew if he acted like the blow had really hurt he would win on the DQ. The plan worked perfectly except for the fact that he over did it by pretending to convulse. He can fool you gullible guys up here who aren't aware of how the body functions or who just don't want to believe a fighter would do that but he can't fool anybody who knows anything about how the body functions.

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation. I think he reacted from thinking he was about to lose by TKO, that's why he thought he lost

chris byrd didn't even have to sparked out to not know where he was man i forgot how freaking funny that was, did you hear Lampley he screams BYRD what a big left hand. Chris was slobbing on himself that shit hurt he tried to take it like a man though major props, that Abraham punch didn't have nothing on that.

post up some delayed reaction ko's, just to show these guys that it happens in boxing Those guys were not KO'd! Hurt bad yes but KO'd? No. I have been on the sideline as a medico at too many rugby games to mention and i have seen a lot of guys get ko'd and hurt bad to the head. Maybe its different in boxing but every single time i can think of a guy being confused like Dirrell was he recalled a period of blackout. These blackouts usually occur when someone is not just hurt to the head but the impact shakes the brain, neck and spine which causes the nausea and confusion. These blackouts are typically between 2 and 5 minutes. Short periods of unconsciousness (between 1 sec and 1 min) are caused by impact and i believe thats what happened to Dirrell. He got hit and his world decended a little bit, the clouds came in i like to say but he was not knocked unconscious and the way he was behaving was untypical and odd to me.

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation. cole said, im getting the doctor, doctor up here, and he had started to move a little before that the ref didn't say anything about DQ until he got up and walked over to the side of the ring closest to the judges i just watched it

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation.

minte 0:46

Good Thread man. I had my doubts, but its more easier to understand now.

Still nobody?

This woman was not faking it. Quite similar to Dirrell

C'mon, where are all the haters at? Pussies.

yes. yes it was an act. a bad one at that. Concussion November, 2005 A concussion is an injury to the brain that results in temporary loss of normal brain function. It is usually caused by a blow to the head. Cuts or bruises may be present on the head or face, but in many cases there are no signs of trauma. Many people assume that concussions involve a loss of consciousness, but that is not true. In most cases, a person with a concussion never loses consciousness. Concussions and Head Injuries An abrupt blow to the head, or even a rapid deceleration, can cause the brain to bounce against the inner wall of the skull. There is a potential for tearing of blood vessels, pulling of nerve fibers and bruising of the brain substance. Sometimes the blow can result in microscopic damage to the brain cells without obvious structural damage visible on a CT scan. http://www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/patient_e/concussion.asp

this clip doesnt fit in this thread. that was a monster shot. definite slobber knocker. He was arguing with the ref that he didn't get knocked down after that shot for like the rest of the fight. He was knocked silly.

yeah, i think i do. when was the last time someone was KO'd and was hollering into the cameras that his head was hurting?? convulsions and severe pain in the head are signs of head trauma which is why the docs were concerned about bleeding in the brain. we all know that wasnt the case. dude didnt even have a mild concussion. quit trying to make excuses for dirrell's act. he had a great performance, he deserved the win and abraham deserved to be dq'd. all that other sht dirrell pulled off was over the top and unnecessary, but he still got the win. end of. you can get hit on the head and just have a migraine, doesn't have to be a concussion, you can pass out from a migraine, not just a concussion you never been hit in the head a day in your life i bet, sitting on your ass all day long and if im right a sign of a concussion is the immediate loss of conciousness but then again you can suffer a concussion without passing out

yeah, not realizing you won the fight and being completely confused & unaware of what is going on is putting on an act. Give me a break! Dirrell in the post-fight interview was so lost he wasn't making any sense. yes. yes it was an act. a bad one at that.

no, you seriously don't know what your on about yeah, i think i do. when was the last time someone was KO'd and was hollering into the cameras that his head was hurting?? convulsions and severe pain in the head are signs of head trauma which is why the docs were concerned about bleeding in the brain. we all know that wasnt the case. dude didnt even have a mild concussion. quit trying to make excuses for dirrell's act. he had a great performance, he deserved the win and abraham deserved to be dq'd. all that other sht dirrell pulled off was over the top and unnecessary, but he still got the win. end of.

i dont see it. nothing in that little flurry up against the ropes looked devastating. dude just fainted. and no, thats NOT whats its like. severe pain in the head after a KO is a sign of something even more serious. usually fighters just feel groggy and out of it. no, you seriously don't know what your on about

3:03 is when it all happens left to the body, left to the head come on man, don't tell me you don't see that anyway yea, that's what it's like, most guys about to pass out will put their hands to their face, like they're trying to reach for the pain deep in their head i dont see it. nothing in that little flurry up against the ropes looked devastating. dude just fainted. and no, thats NOT whats its like. severe pain in the head after a KO is a sign of something even more serious. usually fighters just feel groggy and out of it.

awesome thread man. These rookies never seen delayed reactions before. It's quite embarrassing actually, to be a fan of boxing and be completely unaware of delayed reactions.The only delayed reactions I've seen were of body shots. It's rare seeing a delay from a guy being punched flush literally on the chin.

i can recognize delayed reactions. i also recognize delayed overreactions. i also recognize someone putting on an act to sell something.