Wlad is a consummate professional, and I think it's time we came around

But the difference is, Haye has the speed to catch him while IMO, the other two don't. The other two are tougher though, that's for sure. I'm not even sure Adamek has the power to put down Wlad either. Wlad's chin is much better now and I'm not sure Adamek has the power at HW to hurt him.

Agree. I think the same might hold true for Arreola and Adamek as well. But the difference is, Haye has the speed to catch him while IMO, the other two don't. The other two are tougher though, that's for sure.

they deserve the respect they don't have by some. Truth is that they would be a known force in any era. If it was a tougher era, they would aim for more. They are great competitive champions and sportsmen. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/06/article-1107204-0215DD8A000005DC-276_468x370.jpg

I agree with your thread. I think Haye has a SLIGHT chance at Wlad. That slight chance is catching him early with his very good power and very fast hands. Haye can hurt Wlad, but he can't hurt Vitali IMO. Haye doesn't have the greatest chin either though, so his best chance at either brother would be just catching Wlad first before he gets inevitably caught. Agree. I think the same might hold true for Arreola and Adamek as well.

Wlad is a great fighter. Hes in an awful era though.

Wladimir has earned his stripes and a spot in the HOF. He reminds me of Holmes in the respect that they're both great fighters who were unlucky (or lucky depending on the way you look at it) to have peaked in a lackluster heavyweight era.

Does anyone think Adamek, Arreola, Haye, or anyone else can beat these guys right now? I don't. I agree with your thread. I think Haye has a SLIGHT chance at Wlad. That slight chance is catching him early with his very good power and very fast hands. Haye can hurt Wlad, but he can't hurt Vitali IMO. Haye doesn't have the greatest chin either though, so his best chance at either brother would be just catching Wlad first before he gets inevitably caught.

Does anyone think Adamek, Arreola, Haye, or anyone else can beat these guys right now? I don't.

If he'd fight Toney & Haye i'd be more supportive of him . I'd also like to see the Haye fight atleast before he hangs them up.

I agree its about time we gave this guy some credit

I've been critical of Wlad, like most. He's failed to thrill. While some say he's been KOing everyone, and that should be exciting enough, just listen to Emmanuel Steward in his fights. He pleads with Wlad to be more aggressive and press the issue. Sometimes he does, and sometimes he just takes the easy way out. But what can't be ignored is the sheer dominance and professionalism that he has displayed consistantly over the last couple years. As an American, I'm always appauled at the conditioning of our so called "heavyweight contenders", yet for Wlad and his brother Vitali, this is never an issue. Wlad always comes in the ring in excellent shape and seems to have excellent endurance now too. I think it's time Americans get on board and recognize Wlad as a great champion and yes, a Hall of Famer, regardless of how many doughnuts our American heavyweights have been eating. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/3/21/1269130774041/Wladimir-Klitschko-001.jpg It's not about coming around. The Klitschko bros get respect but unfortunately (through no fault of their own) they are fighting in what has been the weakest heavyweight era ever. I would have loved to have seen them vs prime examples of heavyweights from other eras. The best fighter either one has faced was a not prime but certainly not shot Lennox Lewis that Vitali fought. Even though Lewis won due to the cut I came away respecting Vitali for his great effort because he might have won had he not gotten injured. The only negative I can think of about the Klitschko's is that they can be too cautious sometimes when fighting. They have the ability to KO most of these chumps brutally and much quicker than they do. Like in the first three rounds instead of simply winning a lopsided decision (like in Vitali's last fight) or a late round KO (like in Wladimir's last fight). Wladimir became a bit cautious after being knocked around a couple of times and I think Vitali has became cautious due to his older age, inactivity and injuries. I still think they should throw caution to the wind and KO these bums in as impressive fashion as they can. This would make people anticipate their fights more and lead to more respect from the general public. So any respect the Klitschko's don't get is mainly attributable to the weak challengers (again, not their fault) available not because they're not American or anything like that. Look at other overseas sensations. Pacquiao is being lauded as a hero by many and he's foreign but he's been defeating better opposition who are known to the American public compared to the losers the Klitschkos have to face.

Agreed, he is a great fighter.

He dominates and stops everyone he faces. Nothing much to complain about. He's a big man who simply can't work 3 minutes of a round, so he destroys guys piece by piece. Nothing wrong with what Wlad does.

If he'd fight Toney & Haye i'd be more supportive of him .