this right here!!! beat me to it!! the same posters on here saying pac ducked khan is saying pac is cherry picking khan just a few weeks ago LOL.
Exactly, meanwhile these Floyd fans forget that Floyd really did duck Khan when he asked his fans to vote for his next opponent and they chose Khan and he chose Maidana. The hate runs deep.
Fans are tired of paying $70+ for over-hyped fights and weak undercards. Not to mention people are streaming fights for free on the web, or the next day on Youtube. Mayweather destroyed the PPV model with boring fights. Fans are leary about paying out good money to watch bad fights. Imagine if Thurman/Garcia was a PPV event? Talk about a flop.
PPVs will need to be built up through ethnic rivalries and more compelling match ups of fighters who are in their prime. Not fighters feasting on foes who are battle-worn, old, or over-hyped.
Nice race-bait thread. You have an inferiority complex with whites or Russians, we get it. But even Floyd the almighty said Ward lost that fight. And Ward is half white you know? Quit crying, Ward was given the official win on his record, just because you know deep in your heart he lost is no reason to take it out on Kovalev and his fans.
YAWN....Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
"The Most Boring Ever" padded his record with headline names past their prime, waited everyone out until they were safe to fight. Other fighters have gone undefeated for more fights until they finally met their match. Now he wants to break Marciano's undefeated record by fighting an MMA clown who never stepped into a boxing ring. Bwahahahaha!
So this is what the newby boxing fans think.
New to a boxing forum doesn't mean new to boxing. But thanks for your input and professional analysis. Very useful.
The MMA crowd thinks Conor has a snowball's chance in hell, someone forgot to remind them that the fight is inside a boxing ring, not an octagon. Conor will be lucky to see the third round.
In a boxing match, Conor gets his ass handed to him by the likes of Guerrero, Algieri, Ortiz, Berto, Vargas, and even Jeff Horn. Hell, I'd match him up against a seasoned amateur and he gets his head twisted sideways. Floyd will carry him for a few rounds to make it look as though it wasn't a total sham. But this is a money grab, and doesn't belong in the record books. Floyd may as well be fighting a hockey player...I hear Wayne Gretzky has been retired for a while.
I doubt he has lost enough to be broke. Even after taxes she should be worth in the neighborhood of $300M. From what I've read he has made a lot of sound investments. Though he appears to be desperate for a fight with McGregor, I think that is more to do with wanting an easy 50th win.
Come out hard and fast in rounds one and two, then stick and move, and work in the uppercut. Forget the body, he will have to get too close to land effective body punches and risks getting countered with something big. Keep turning him and make him follow you.
Oh really?
Mayweather stated he weighed 149 fight night vs. Pac's 152.
Perhaps you don't believe it...so....
http://s14.postimg.org/x9m492vup/Floyd_Canelo.jpg?noredir=1
Mayweather weighed in 150 for a fight in which he could go up to 152.
This is from your boy Thomas Hauser:
Manny Pacquaio rehydrated to 151 for Bradley 2.
So how is that a difference of the same amount with GGG?
Mayweather refused to be weighed the day of the fight with Pac, so if you are going to take his word for it, you'll believe anything. Look at photos of them after the fight and tell me who looks much bigger. Of course he had an illegal IV in his arm prior to the fight, but hey, that was only to "rehydrate".
Mayweather also refused to be weighed day of fight versus Marquez, when he insisted on a catch weight and then didn't make the weight for the fight.
Hence his popularity. No running or clinching, no surviving 12 rounds to eek out a decision or doing just enough to win. Win decisively and give the fans a good show.
700K viewers for a fight with nothing on the line between two fighters who lost to GGG, not too shabby actually. Considering HBO isn't free. Had it been on network television I'm not sure it does much better since neither of them are household names or have established a fanbase of their own.
It's difficult to compare fighters of different eras. When you have Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, and dozens of others fighting 200+ fights, you cannot weigh that against a guy who had 50 fights. Especially when those 49 and counting, were mostly past their prime, coming up in weight, or products of the Mayweather hype machine and public relations team. Toss in the three fights he should have lost (Castillo, De La Hoya, Maidana) the countless fighters he ducked, the IV cover up, and I don't see him anywhere near an all-time list in the top 50.
Floyd was past his prime for alot of his big wins and he himself moved up in weight 4 times so i dont get your point
When he moved up to lightweight he fought Castillo which everyone knows he technically lost.
Super Lightweight it was Gatti...need I say more?
Welter it was Judah who just came off a loss to Baldomir, we all know what a world beater he is huh.
Jr. Middle it was Cotto who had been softened for the kill.
Next.
What did anyone expect him to say? I have no chance in hell, I'm just in this for a big payday! They have to sell this fight to the suckers who think it will actually be competitive. The best part of this "fight" will be all of the trash-talking between them leading up to the event. Just what boxing needed, another circus act to drag it through the mud.
Great post Spoon.
I voted Pac. There is definitely unfinished business that needs to be settled, and it needs to be settled clean--no illegal IVs, no shoulder injury excuses.
Floyd already balked at GGG who offered to come down to 154. He claims GGG is too big and needs to move up to fight Ward, meanwhile, when you look at the size difference between Pac and Floyd, it is identical to the size difference between GGG and Floyd. He also declined a fight with Martinez at 154 for the same reasons. He is way more comfortable fighting smaller opponents.
The only reason he wants the McGregor fight (and his hopeless fans as well) is because it is a guaranteed win, an easy win over a guy who never had one professional boxing match. Big payday from all the suckers who will actually but that nonsense. But, it is a perfect way to cap off a career that was built upon B-list fighters, headliners past their prime, and smaller fighters.
If there is any poetic justice in boxing, after he scores his 50th win, Chocolotito will surpass him and there will be no more talk about TBE, since that is what Floyd and his fans hinge his legacy upon, an undefeated record of underachievement.
Oh...here's another one:
May 2014: Mayweather Rehydrated to 148
April 2014: Pacquiao Rehydrates to 151
That doesn't answer anything. Again you are off topic. I compared Pac to Floyd against Floyd to GGG in terms of size and dimension. You bring in Maidana. You have no case. Floyd never weighed himself on night of Pac fight, period! He also used an illegal IV. Case closed.
The problem is...you have no brain.
Mayweather stated he was 149 for the Pac fight.
He was 150 for Canelo and 148 for Maidana.
Now you somehow think he goes up to 165+ against pacquaio?
You're an utter idiot. I just wanted to take the time out to own you again. Cheers, clown ;)
You are the dumb chimp who believes everything Mayweather tells you. He "SAID" he was 149 doesn't mean that he was. Anyone with two eyes in their head can see he was considerably larger than Pacquiao. But you love beating these topics to death because your boy cheated and ducked and is the biggest hypocrite in the sport.
Bananas are 89 cents a pound today, get them while they are on sale chimp. Charge 'em to your EBT card.
Rumor is LESS than 700K lol.
That means it could be 300K viewers.
In any case, it's obvious this fight would have done MASSIVELY better on NBC or FOX.
Honestly, who really cares? They wouldn't have gotten paid any more money to fight on PBC, not at their level. Thurman and Garcia were two of the top welters and they only got $2M each. That should have been a big PPV event had they been managed properly by Haymon. Big fail and the fight was a flop.
Duran would humiliate him. Boxers are NOT better now, not sure what brand of paint chips you're eating, but boxers of previous eras truly honed their craft. Fought more often and against better opposition. Thurman and Garcia would have been devoured in the 60s - 80s.
I fought some smokers as an amateur on military installations. I was a registered coach, time keeper and judge with USA Boxing back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I've sparred with many an amateur and a pro or two. I've been a trainer for the better part of two decades. My great uncle was a pro in the 50's, journeyman level who went the distance with Ralph Tiger Jones, Yvonne Durelle 2x, Bobby Boyd and ended his career KO'd by Henry Hank.
I got off to a late start when boxing, and by the time I really put my heart into it I was too old. Today I just do an abbreviated version of my prior workouts with the bags, skipping rope, shadow boxing etc. I still train amateurs from time to time and anyone who asks for pointers. I find some of the most humble athletes I've met and competed with were and are boxers.
Thurman strikes me as a guy who isn't sure about who he wants to be. He hasn't established his public persona yet. Does he want to be hardcore, thuggish, or does he want to be the guy who takes the high road and leaves the trash talking behind? He's like the Roman Reigns of boxing.
Prime Jones would coast to a UD victory over GGG. Way too fast. I like GGG and I think he is an entertaining fighter with fundamental skill, great chin and great power, but nothing truly special about him that puts him ahead of Jones.
The tinkle in Jones' jaw never really manifested until he came down from heavy weight to Lt. Heavy, losing over 20 pounds of muscle weight in the process. IMHO, he was never the same fighter when he taxed his body to come down two weight classes losing all that muscle.
But because he's 19 how many amateur fights do you think he should have before going pro. I see some of these guys with like 30 or so then go pro but then I see some guys with as little as ten before going pro. I know age is a factor too. His trainer think maybe amateur for a year. And we're looking at maybe two fights a month
My recommendation would be somewhere between 35-40 fights. You need at least ten fights before you can fight open class against better opposition. You don't get better unless you fight better boxers. By the time he has 30+ fights he will be seasoned enough to know whether or not he should turn pro. His win-loss ratio will be a big indicator.
This is both good and bad for boxing. Nice that so many fans tuned in, but they were subjected to an uneventful fight that wouldn't or couldn't live up to expectations. Hopefully they continue to tune in after this one.