As someone posted earlier...if you're parents are both Mexican (both being born in Mexico) and you are born in the US you're citizenship/nationality is American but culturally you are Mexican. The majority of us...we talk, eat and **** Mexican.
I never deny my nationality...I'm an American! even though some people might doubt it...but one look and you know I'm Mexican (or Latino) descent. I can't even deny that but why would I? I'm proud of my culture!!
Always be proud of your culture. Never forget your roots but be thankful to be American. And just in case some of you can't stand being American...then go back.
And please spare me the history lesson. Lo que paso paso. Let it go and move on.
That's why I get upset when casual people just pick Pacquiao based on his last two fights. It's not that I don't give Pacquiao a chance, but it's dumb to think that Cotto can be quickly dismissed.
Pacquiao is mainstream and has been in two extremely high profile fights, with huge results.
Cotto's last three fights weren't mainstream, less impressive than Pacquiao and he's looked "bad" in comparison to Pacquiao.
So celebrities and athletes are just going to pick Pacquiao...no suprise there.
Bert Sugar's take on the fight is somerthing more interesting. He's got Pacquiao, but on cuts. If there's any way Pacquiao beats Cotto, it's probably on that, as Cotto does tend to cut easily.
My take, as I've said (check my post history):
Pacquiao is looking more impressive each time out, he's quick, he hits hard, he throws many shots.
Cotto SEEMS to tire (note that he SEEMS), gets cut easily, and eats a lot of power punches. He was caught by Mosley and several times by a slower-punching Margarito (regardless of plaster). Plus, the psychological aspect, he's coming back to the scene of the crime in the MGM. I've said it before...way before all these countdown shows and whatnot. That could be in the back of his mind.
Regardless of Cotto's apparent weaknesses and Pacquiao's ever-growing aura of invincibility, I actually expect Cotto to pull off this upset and make these celebrities and know-it-alls look bad. :rofl:
Let's go Cotto!
Good post and I agree with you 100%...you have to use facts and reason in predicting a winner in this fight. I'm putting my money on Cotto as soon as we get there Thursday night. Once the money starts coming in it will make the odds more even simply because of the money coming in..This is enough to make the "so called' betting experts making the odds more even...
well said
If it was not beneficial for Marg to get down to WW he wouldn't do it.
would he ?
Now please dont say that proves he is a naturaly WW, because it dont it just proves that in some cases losing lots of weight in the right way does not always weaken you or make you suspect durability wise.
Anyone with two eyes can see Margarito is not a natural WW.
Maybe DLH should have hired Marg's trainer for the Pac fight, if your assumption is right.
margarito busier? i'm not saying he would win but manny is a ball of energy.
margarito is the most overrated fighter and everyone will see it on jan. 24.
So would you say the win against Cotto was luck?
I find it incredibly sad that people hate on other fighters solely because of their fan base. I understand the feeling because when Pacman fans were riding his nuts I started not to like Pacman despite his amazing skills, determination, and willingly fighting any fighter but seriously just get over it. I know some of us are less mature than other (that's obvious) but it just gets old. Hispanic/Black/White/Asian fans hating on Hispanic/Black/White/Asian fighters is just retarded to me and to alot of others as well. So what is your reason for hating a fighter so much? If it is the fans, then why is it taking you so long to grow up and realize how idiotic you sound bickering with other BS members? Or is it because of your race?? Does race determine who you root for and who you root against? I know for some people this is the case and for some its not. I am a fan of fighters of every race but, most importantly, I never let it make me forget what I am: A fan of the sport.
I understand that people need to relate to someone which spawns fans but what is your reason for being a fan? What is your reason for NOT being a fan? Is it ethnicity or the admiration of skill, determination, toughness, or fighting style that makes you a fan??
Very well said, I agree 100% Only true boxing fans would not lower themselves to argue about a fighter simply because of race. With this being said, of course you should feel proud to have a great fighter that represents your ethnicity, but not to the point of being an idiot and defending (or trying to) at any cost i.e. racism... just to defend your fighter based simply on this....grow up..love the sport for what it is and quit bashing each other on race..there are have been great fighters from all walks of life not just a few countries as some make it seem...Love the sport!!
I see it the same way Tua and William...This is boxing people...it could go
either way for a number of reasons. Cotto has been tagged (never lost though, we all know so spare me), could get tagged and could go down. Margarito on the other hand will have to watch for the body shots. I do not really think Cotto can TKO Marg with head shots. Liver shot yes, head shot no. Again, if this fight goes the distance it will definitely favor Cotto. If Margarito is to win it cannot go the distance!!!
But i still favor Cotto UD based on the fact a much faster Torres couldn't finish Cotto and it's pretty safe to say neither will Margarito provided he can hurt Cotto. Added Cotto's recovery rate, one of the fastest i've seen i say two scenarios: Cotto UD, Cotto TKO.
Allu:
Cotto UD/Margarito TKO, this is the only way it will end.
The Torres fight was at a lighter:wave: weight. Torres faster but not as strong as Marg. I understand Cotto has matured and filled out but alas we will see July 26th.
So basically what Cotto supporters are saying "Cotto has nothing to worry about fighting Margarito"? There is no doubt in your minds that Margarito cannot hurt Cotto, whether it be with an uppercut or a wild hook? REALLY!!
Yes Cotto can bounce back. Yea he got beaten up, but its his first defeat son. Ya acting like he got knocked the fuck out.
Ya people make this site look bad. Cotto knew he was tired so he took the easy way out. Plain and simple. He was exausted, and did it for his family. This was the first time he took damage like that. FIRST TIME! He will be back. Keep wishing he doesn't though, because the man is still dangerous, and that's all you can do. Talk shit about a fighter and hate and doubt.
I don't quite agree with you..It sounds more like you are just defending Cotto for what happened. We all saw the fight and know what happened. Only Cotto knows why he took the knee. We can sit here and speculate as to why he took the knee. But ultimately only Cotto and his corner knows why.
Just like we all know that Cotto was landing clear crips shots early in the fight and making Marg look bad is not what the threads asks. Did he have the wrong strategy against Marg? Well hindsightl, of course people will say he did.
I am sure Cotto and his camp studied Margs fight film. They knew what they kind of fight they needed to fight against Marg. They knew what type of physical condition Cotto needed to be in for a fight against Marg from studying his previous fights. Come on! I hate to say it but to quote a well known threader "this is plain and common basic sense".
Please don't take me wrong I have always liked Cotto. My concern is the effect of preparing for a fight like this mentally, physically has to take a toll on your psyche. Like someone on here already said. It would have been, and I'm sure some of you might disagree, preferable to have been KO'd rather than to have landed your hardest shots, won most of the fight, not been able to hurt your opponent with all of this and then taken the sustained beating that Cotto took. It has to take something out of you mentally.
I am not saying Cotto will not come back, of course he will. Will he be the same? I hope he does but time will tell. If Cotto/Marg 2 happens I do not believe this is in the best interest of Cotto. Yes, I know Marg has 5 losses but I don't think they have been devastating of losses. The number of losses does not break a fighter will as much as in the manner that he loses them. I say Cotto will be back to fight another day but stay away from Marg. I like them both.
I'm rewatching it now, we'll see if it's the same. Like I said Margarito's punches were going threw Cotto's gloves and they were partialy blocked, while Cotto was landing cleanly and just as often. Margarito wasn't cutting off the ring and it wasn't effective agression.
So what is your conclusion? What is it you are trying to say?
You have to be crazy, Maragarito was not cutting off the ring? not effectively he was'nt but was after Cotto got tired of backtracking. Cotto has never had to fight going backwards. Effective agression...what does that mean? Margarito was the aggressor for most of the night, hence this is why Cotto was going backwards. IMO...
I just wish Floyd had the guts to fight Antonio but he doesnt.
Margarito is a tough tough brutal man but not a great champion.
A good one YES.
A great one no.
He will be defeated PERHAPS by someone he has fought in the past(hint).
I saw a lot of these same quotes before Saturday. Keep in mind though that very few fighters retire undefeated and so a fighter loses a fight and he is a bum to some. Margarito will most certainly lose again but in the meantime give him credit for destroying Cotto. Cotto on the other hand will be back, how this loss affects his psyche is yet to be seen. Hopefully it will not and he can give us more great fights.
My question to you is "in your opinion what makes a great champion?" going undefeated?
I'm cool with the PR vs Mexico rivalry! I don't need to talk shit about Cotto or any PR's, they're cool with me and I am cool with them. Shit when I was in the service they were my homeboys away from home. They watched my back and I was there for them. I'm 47 so I've actually lived with, fought along side with and partied with Jibaro's. As far as I'm concerned were all Latinos!!! Proud people!!!
I pretty much agree with everything you said about both fighters. Yes, if the fight goes the distance this will favor Cotto. The only way I see Margarito winning this fight is by TKO'ing Cotto. Is this realistically possible, IMO yes. One bomb well placed can hurt Cotto enough for Margarito to take advantage of this. But I do see the fight favoring Cotto, say 60/40 for Cotto. I do not see Cotto knocking out Margarito, going the distance yes, no KO. With that being said, I gotta go with my boy Margarito the underdog. I am putting my money where my mouth is...3-1 odds with Margarito's punching is enough for me.
If Cotto weren't fighting Margs, nobody would even be talking about his ass. Nobody wants to fight him because he brings nothing to the table. Nobody fears him. He has done nothing to make anyone fear him except beat up a scared Cintron, and let Clottey beat him up and make his face look like a scary mess that nobody wanted to look at. Talking like he has a mouth piece in his mouth lol. Big clumsy ass stumbling...lol. He hasn't beaten 1 elite fighter yet, and it probably won't happen Saturday.
So are you saying Margarito, even though slim, still has a chance? Let's just say this it won't be a walk in the park for Cotto, either. :boxing:
like i said....Cotto tightens a couple things up HE WILL TAKE THE DECISION!!!!
I really dont see Marg KOing Cotto again, speaking of which he didnt REALLY knock Cotto out in the 1st place....his corner throw in the towel.
LET IT BE KNOWN....IM NOT HATING ON MARGARITO. JUST STATING MY OPINION.
It was Cotto that said that he could not get any shots to Margarito's body. So let's give props to Margarito's defense, which many of you said Margarito lacked.
To counter your second statement, the only reason Cotto was not knocked out was precisely that, his corner prevented that from happening. There was about 45-50 seconds left in the 11th round. Had they not thrown the towel in Kenny Bayless would have stopped it.(we hope he would've). In my opinion though a stoppage whether by the ref or corner is still a KO.
I am and was for Margarito all the way. Cotto to me is still and will continue to be a great fighter. It is a shame though that some people still do not want to admit that he was beaten and beaten badly. They make excuses for his loss not wanting to really admit that it he was beaten but rather lost the fight due to lack of adjustment, physical preparation or whatever. Yes, he was winning the 1st 6 rounds, yes he was schooling Maragarito. But none of that matters at the end. Had the fight gone 12 rounds there is a very good chance Maragarito would have gotten the decision. VERY GOOD CHANCE.
The way Clottey was landing combination after combination and just suddenly stopped after his best round made no sense until the injury thing came out. It's one thing to slow down but he completely stopped. He was going to win that fight easy.
Sure, right of course...just like Cotto was suppose to have won had he not gotten his nose broken. Tired of all the fucking excuses, excuses, fucking excuses. Recognize Idiots!
Agreed. Cotto would definetly need to shore up his defense.
What are your thoughts on his nose being broken? It was Margs punches that caused it so there isn't any excuse, but do you not think that it may have contributed to him not being able to breathe properly and therefore effected his stamina? Because like you, I also believe he was in top condition.
Hard to say whether it would have made a difference. I don't necessarily buy the fact that this was a reason for his loss. Who really knows? He as also cut, can we then say "had he not been cut would he have won?" Hey his nose being broken, his mouth being busted up and bleeding, his eye being knicked/cut are all because of boxing so there is not really any argument (not that you are) about anything that happened they were are related to the punches being thrown. Great fight would like to see a rematch.
It was a great fight and only added to what boxing is still lacking, more great fights like this. I don't give a crap about money fights ala DLH vs Pac. I have to admit I went to the DLH vs Mayweather fight and walked away dissapointed. Not because DLH lost (yes, I feel gayish admitting I was going for him) but because it was a "money fight". I made a promise to my wife that we would not be going to any more fights with over-the-hill, washed up boxers. If they were at their height of their career maybe but no more 35 y.o. fighting another 35 y.o. They both walk away winners....fk that.
he didn't kick cotto's ass cotto was kicking his and margarito was lucky enough to get the knock out and it was more of a cotto loss than a margarito win but much respect to margarito fuck all the dumbasses that believe margarito was actually winning the fight before the ko but much respect to margo
I guess this includes the judges ringside? If that was not as asskicking
then what is? Whether Cotto quit or Margarito helped him quit doesn't matter.
The outcome remains the same. Your scoring the fight or the judges does not matter if it doesn't go the distant. Thank God it didn't cause even with the TKO you cannot bring yourself to admitting that Cotto got his ass handed to him.
I like this post. The only part I disagree with is the props for Margarito's D. Tony was great and fought a tough fight, but it wasn't his defenses that prevented Cotto from going to the body, it was his offense. Cotto couldn't go downstairs because of the constant pressure. To do so would have opened him up to be hit even more.
Kudos to both guys though. Cotto was the more skilled, but Margarito proved that that doesn't always determine the outcome of a fight.l
If my memory serves me right Margarito connected in the 2nd round with an uppercut that caught his attention if not momentarily rocked him. I also believe that it might have been the 2nd round where Cotto's eye was knicked. So Marg was getting some shots in early in the fight just not as clean and crisp as Cotto was. IMO it was an accumulation of shots that wore down Cotto and do not agree that he was not in good condition. Cotto always comes to a fight in great condition, he had never taken shots like that before. Adjustments he would need to make would be ala Mayweather...run, hit , run and oh...dont get tagged.
Cotto could have told Arum "no Way", but he stood his ground and took an ass whupping for it. So no, Margarito shouldn't thank Arum. Cotto put his undefeated record up against "the most avoided man in boxing" and knew full well he could end up getting beat down. I tend to admire boxers who are willing to put their records and reputation on the line for their fights, unlike schmucks like Floyd Mayweather who spent their championships fighting bloated light welterweights (Hatton) and overrated old light middle weight MexiCANTs with no titles to their name (De La Hoya).
I'm a boricua who rooted for Cotto, but I accept that Margarito won fair and square. It was a great fight, and both these boxers showed a lot of class. They didn't disrespect each other or piss on each others' flags. Why should we as fans start acting like fools just because of who won?
Margarito deserves credit for his accomplishments at 147. He's toppled two Boricua Welterweight champs this year (Cintron and Cotto). He deserves the respect of my island brethren. But let's not make any claims of Mexican superiority as Margarito DID lose to Daniel Santos.
Bottom line? Puerto Rico and Mexico produce great boxers, and great boxers produce great fights. So why not focus on that classic welterweight championship we just witnessed. It's going to be a while before we see another classic like that again.
I wholeheartedly agree. Enough said about Margarito and/or Cotto. A true boxing fan does not have to bring a country or it's people into the fracas, regardless of what others on here say or start. A true boxing fan appreciates the fact that 2 warriors put it all on the line. Not once did Margarito or Cotto say anything derogatory about the other fighters country or it's people. Truely, both are a class act!!! Cotto does and will always have my respect as a boxer who did not take the easy way out and took the fight many others have avoided. Mi respeto para Cotto y La Isla del Encanto!
do you want to know how this happened. Margarito broke his fucken nose! quit making excuses the nose didnt just break on its own margarito broke that shit!!
Exactly! It wasn't like Cotto came in with a broken nose or breathing problems. It's like getting popped in the eye causing a cut and then saying oh! If he wouldn't of gotten cut he might of, could of won the fight. It happened during the fight so really it is all irrelevant now. If I remember correctly this is what the sport is all about trying to fuck each other up and that is exactly what happened to Cotto. No, Margarito did not escape unscathed but he did win the fight.
Will Cotto be back? Of course he will and only time will tell if he will be better or as good as before. It's great if Cotto is your boy but before you go out and say that he will be back stronger than before let him get back in the ring. I wish him all the luck in the world, he truly deserves it as a warrior, husband, father and just plain good human being.