Just got done watching Cotto Margarito. Up until rounds 8 & 9....Miguel was doing a great job boxing. I didnt know he had that in him. And i gotta give him big ups on his toughness and conditioning.
Lets get some things straight:
Cotto didnt SURVIVE 11 Rounds:
He was winning the fight and succumbed to VOLUMES of punches late in the fight.
Margaritos in no way boxings new Chuck Norris
HE CAN AND WILL BE BEAT....probably by Paul Williams or Floyd
Margarito has a great chin.....for a WW:
Margs probably not even suppose to be a WW, just like Paul Williams. Their dimensions are more so built for 154 and up. (NOT KNOCKIN EITHER ONE....IM JUST SAYIN, thats like Wlad slimming down to pick on 175 pounders)
If a rematch happens Cotto WILL win....IF:
He tighens up his defense and ups his conditioning a little
:boxing:what ya'll think?:boxing:
Agreed. Cotto would definetly need to shore up his defense.
What are your thoughts on his nose being broken? It was Margs punches that caused it so there isn't any excuse, but do you not think that it may have contributed to him not being able to breathe properly and therefore effected his stamina? Because like you, I also believe he was in top condition.
Hard to say whether it would have made a difference. I don't necessarily buy the fact that this was a reason for his loss. Who really knows? He as also cut, can we then say "had he not been cut would he have won?" Hey his nose being broken, his mouth being busted up and bleeding, his eye being knicked/cut are all because of boxing so there is not really any argument (not that you are) about anything that happened they were are related to the punches being thrown. Great fight would like to see a rematch.
If my memory serves me right Margarito connected in the 2nd round with an uppercut that caught his attention if not momentarily rocked him. I also believe that it might have been the 2nd round where Cotto's eye was knicked. So Marg was getting some shots in early in the fight just not as clean and crisp as Cotto was. IMO it was an accumulation of shots that wore down Cotto and do not agree that he was not in good condition. Cotto always comes to a fight in great condition, he had never taken shots like that before. Adjustments he would need to make would be ala Mayweather...run, hit , run and oh...dont get tagged.
Agreed. Cotto would definetly need to shore up his defense.
What are your thoughts on his nose being broken? It was Margs punches that caused it so there isn't any excuse, but do you not think that it may have contributed to him not being able to breathe properly and therefore effected his stamina? Because like you, I also believe he was in top condition.
I like this post. The only part I disagree with is the props for Margarito's D. Tony was great and fought a tough fight, but it wasn't his defenses that prevented Cotto from going to the body, it was his offense. Cotto couldn't go downstairs because of the constant pressure. To do so would have opened him up to be hit even more.
Kudos to both guys though. Cotto was the more skilled, but Margarito proved that that doesn't always determine the outcome of a fight.l
If my memory serves me right Margarito connected in the 2nd round with an uppercut that caught his attention if not momentarily rocked him. I also believe that it might have been the 2nd round where Cotto's eye was knicked. So Marg was getting some shots in early in the fight just not as clean and crisp as Cotto was. IMO it was an accumulation of shots that wore down Cotto and do not agree that he was not in good condition. Cotto always comes to a fight in great condition, he had never taken shots like that before. Adjustments he would need to make would be ala Mayweather...run, hit , run and oh...dont get tagged.
It was a great fight and only added to what boxing is still lacking, more great fights like this. I don't give a crap about money fights ala DLH vs Pac. I have to admit I went to the DLH vs Mayweather fight and walked away dissapointed. Not because DLH lost (yes, I feel gayish admitting I was going for him) but because it was a "money fight". I made a promise to my wife that we would not be going to any more fights with over-the-hill, washed up boxers. If they were at their height of their career maybe but no more 35 y.o. fighting another 35 y.o. They both walk away winners....fk that.
It was Cotto that said that he could not get any shots to Margarito's body. So let's give props to Margarito's defense, which many of you said Margarito lacked.
To counter your second statement, the only reason Cotto was not knocked out was precisely that, his corner prevented that from happening. There was about 45-50 seconds left in the 11th round. Had they not thrown the towel in Kenny Bayless would have stopped it.(we hope he would've). In my opinion though a stoppage whether by the ref or corner is still a KO.
I am and was for Margarito all the way. Cotto to me is still and will continue to be a great fighter. It is a shame though that some people still do not want to admit that he was beaten and beaten badly. They make excuses for his loss not wanting to really admit that it he was beaten but rather lost the fight due to lack of adjustment, physical preparation or whatever. Yes, he was winning the 1st 6 rounds, yes he was schooling Maragarito. But none of that matters at the end. Had the fight gone 12 rounds there is a very good chance Maragarito would have gotten the decision. VERY GOOD CHANCE.
Right....please know that im in no way degrading Margaritios performance in any way....the fact that he stood there and took those shots, gave that pressure, and continued to punch are all great aspects.
but this threads about a rematch and the adjustments i think that if Cotto makes he wins the fight
Shalafi shut up, even in the ninth when Cotto was fatigued he was still hitting Margarito, it doesn't matter if the punches had pop or not papi, is what the judges see
It wasn't a one-sided fight but it was a one-sided ass beating from round 6-11.
Watch the fight again...Cotto was taggin him 6-7th round. I wanna say towards the middle-end of the 7th Cotto was getting hit with shots. but even in the 8th & 9th rounds Margarito was still getting tagged. Cotto fatigued and Margarito took advantage. I have no problem with the loss, it is what it is...but some of ya'll are making it look a lot more one sided than it was. That's all.
IF the queen had balls, she'd be KING !
Cotto was doing a fine job of running, or a delaHoya impersonation.
Margarito by KO in 6rds in the rematch. Cotto will not want a rematch.
Top Rank are already talking about a rematch. It'll happen.
But like dude said, Cotto was winning the majority of the rounds. Most of the Marg fans are just cumming because their man won. Not taking anything away from Margarito, but it was very far from a one-sided fight. You guys need to get off that cloud just a little bit.
You can't be serious and tell me Margarito was winning the fight up to the 7th-8th round. Take your win with a bit of dignity as most of the Cotto fans have with the loss.
It was Cotto that said that he could not get any shots to Margarito's body. So let's give props to Margarito's defense, which many of you said Margarito lacked.
To counter your second statement, the only reason Cotto was not knocked out was precisely that, his corner prevented that from happening. There was about 45-50 seconds left in the 11th round. Had they not thrown the towel in Kenny Bayless would have stopped it.(we hope he would've). In my opinion though a stoppage whether by the ref or corner is still a KO.
I am and was for Margarito all the way. Cotto to me is still and will continue to be a great fighter. It is a shame though that some people still do not want to admit that he was beaten and beaten badly. They make excuses for his loss not wanting to really admit that it he was beaten but rather lost the fight due to lack of adjustment, physical preparation or whatever. Yes, he was winning the 1st 6 rounds, yes he was schooling Maragarito. But none of that matters at the end. Had the fight gone 12 rounds there is a very good chance Maragarito would have gotten the decision. VERY GOOD CHANCE.
I like this post. The only part I disagree with is the props for Margarito's D. Tony was great and fought a tough fight, but it wasn't his defenses that prevented Cotto from going to the body, it was his offense. Cotto couldn't go downstairs because of the constant pressure. To do so would have opened him up to be hit even more.
Kudos to both guys though. Cotto was the more skilled, but Margarito proved that that doesn't always determine the outcome of a fight.l
like i said....Cotto tightens a couple things up HE WILL TAKE THE DECISION!!!!
I really dont see Marg KOing Cotto again, speaking of which he didnt REALLY knock Cotto out in the 1st place....his corner throw in the towel.
LET IT BE KNOWN....IM NOT HATING ON MARGARITO. JUST STATING MY OPINION.
It was Cotto that said that he could not get any shots to Margarito's body. So let's give props to Margarito's defense, which many of you said Margarito lacked.
To counter your second statement, the only reason Cotto was not knocked out was precisely that, his corner prevented that from happening. There was about 45-50 seconds left in the 11th round. Had they not thrown the towel in Kenny Bayless would have stopped it.(we hope he would've). In my opinion though a stoppage whether by the ref or corner is still a KO.
I am and was for Margarito all the way. Cotto to me is still and will continue to be a great fighter. It is a shame though that some people still do not want to admit that he was beaten and beaten badly. They make excuses for his loss not wanting to really admit that it he was beaten but rather lost the fight due to lack of adjustment, physical preparation or whatever. Yes, he was winning the 1st 6 rounds, yes he was schooling Maragarito. But none of that matters at the end. Had the fight gone 12 rounds there is a very good chance Maragarito would have gotten the decision. VERY GOOD CHANCE.
I think cotto will be alot smarter in the rematch and not punch himself out, and allow margarito to corner him on the ropes like the last fight, the last fight cotto was putting on a boxing clinique up until the later rounds, i didnt know he had that in him even in losing he showed something great.
I agree with the poster of this thread. Cotto was winning the fight up until the point of his knock out. he didn't just get caught with a lucky punch though he was getting hit with alot of shots in most exchanges he was getting hit very hard to the body. I saw some replays and Margarito was doing an onld school number on him punching his shoulders his neck his arms. Just beating his body down. I said it from the otustart it was only a matte of time the way things were going. In order for Cotto to beat Margarito he has to do it in the center of the ring. Coutner punch the way he did and get out of range. He has to also go to the body alot more. The usual Cotto left hook to the body was missing he was mor eof a 1-2-3 to the head guy all fight./ margarito has IROn inhis jaw and he showed it. He has to be broken down much the same way he did to Cotto to be KO'd. If Cotto could have landed mroe in the fight and clinched every now and again he may have had enough left in the tank to toake it the cards. My honest thought is if Cotto want to take it to the next level he needs a new trainer. His Uncle has taken him as far as he can at this point he need to sharpen his boxing skills to beat bigger fighters. he can win a rematch but he defintely needs to heal properly not come back to fast and watch the tapes go voer what he did correctly and what he can improve on. He has to figure out a way to take less punishment. he needs to get inside deliver his blows and get out with out going to the ropes. I also think he needs to bring on a new trainer maybe a fredie roach or the guy who trains Marquez Bros?
As I see it, Cotto should have never allowed Marg to dictate the fight. If Cotto had pressed Marg and broke down his will to charge after him, the fight may have gone his way. In a rematch, maybe Cotto will change his fight strategy and be more the aggressor. :boxing:
true......the only thing im not sure of is if Cotto tryed to press the action he might of got stopped even faster!!! Thats prolly what Margarito would want rather than chasing him
buddy gayweather whants knowing to do with marg!!Your just all over bitches nuts!!
If the fight was to happned,your boy would run all 12 rounds,thats not a man thats a ***!!When he fought joseluis the first time he lost that fight but they robbed jose luis!!
The only differce is that men fight but fags run like gayweather!!!Thats why i respect coto,he would also fuck up your boy,so would coltey,williams.OOOOOOOOOOOo thats write. Get a life and stop sucking on floyds nuts!!Are you on his payroll bicth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i like margarito in a rematch by decision. cotto will try a couple things to avoid the best of margarito's offense, but cotto's stamina problems won't allow him to win.
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Just got done watching Cotto Margarito. Up until rounds 8 & 9....Miguel was doing a great job boxing. I didnt know he had that in him. And i gotta give him big ups on his toughness and conditioning.
Lets get some things straight:
Cotto didnt SURVIVE 11 Rounds:
He was winning the fight and succumbed to VOLUMES of punches late in the fight.
Margaritos in no way boxings new Chuck Norris
HE CAN AND WILL BE BEAT....probably by Paul Williams or Floyd
Margarito has a great chin.....for a WW:
Margs probably not even suppose to be a WW, just like Paul Williams. Their dimensions are more so built for 154 and up. (NOT KNOCKIN EITHER ONE....IM JUST SAYIN, thats like Wlad slimming down to pick on 175 pounders)
If a rematch happens Cotto WILL win....IF:
He tighens up his defense and ups his conditioning a little
:boxing:what ya'll think?:boxing:
i like margarito in a rematch by decision. cotto will try a couple things to avoid the best of margarito's offense, but cotto's stamina problems won't allow him to win.
buddy gayweather whants knowing to do with marg!!Your just all over bitches nuts!!
If the fight was to happned,your boy would run all 12 rounds,thats not a man thats a ***!!When he fought joseluis the first time he lost that fight but they robbed jose luis!!
The only differce is that men fight but fags run like gayweather!!!Thats why i respect coto,he would also fuck up your boy,so would coltey,williams.OOOOOOOOOOOo thats write. Get a life and stop sucking on floyds nuts!!Are you on his payroll bicth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!