Margarito vs. Cotto, the things I saw

he didn't kick cotto's ass cotto was kicking his and margarito was lucky enough to get the knock out and it was more of a cotto loss than a margarito win but much respect to margarito fuck all the dumbasses that believe margarito was actually winning the fight before the ko but much respect to margo I guess this includes the judges ringside? If that was not as asskicking then what is? Whether Cotto quit or Margarito helped him quit doesn't matter. The outcome remains the same. Your scoring the fight or the judges does not matter if it doesn't go the distant. Thank God it didn't cause even with the TKO you cannot bring yourself to admitting that Cotto got his ass handed to him.

I agree with the basic thought here, but I disagree that Margarito had all the physical advantages on his side. People all over the board keep implying that Margarito had all the physical advantages and Cotto had none. it's just not true. Cotto demonstrated his physical advantages: hand speed and foot speed. Margarito's physical advantage, as has been discussed ad nauseum, was his chin. It's a fine point, I admit, but people who only describe one aspect of the fight inadvertently subtly diminish the performance of one or both fighters. Also, many people are sloppily implying that "Margo's chin won the fight." Again, this flawed idea just does not tell the whole story. Margarito's chin obviously contributed to him winning the fight, but it was a combination of incredible conditioning and willpower, in addition to his granite jaw, that allowed him to pull this fight out. If he wasn't in superb physical condition, all the chin in the world wouldn't have won him this fight. He had to keep coming forward, chasing a quicker opponent all night, while throwing bunches of punches. In fact, his hard work on his cardio ultimately paid off in spades for him because his constant pressure and punches evidently kept Cotto out of his comfort zone and eventually exhausted him completely. Obviously, hitting an incoming "wall," as Max Kellerman so aptly described it, can't be good for your fighting spirit, but it took conditioning and willpower for that "wall" to keep coming forward all night and eventually overwhelm Cotto. Lastly, many people keep saying or implying that "Hitting Margo's chin discouraged Cotto." Well, no doubt. But, it's unjust to neglect crediting Margarito for the will to keep coming forward round after round, even when your opponent is making you look bad (especially early on in the fight.) It must take an immense amount of resolve and faith in yourself to stick to your gameplan, not panic, and just keep going on and on, regardless of what your opponent is doing. That's all I've got. Sure Margarito's chin is unworldly, but there are other factors that people don't seem to be recognizing that contributed to him winning this fight. Props to both men. They are both warriors and fighters of the toughest sort. If the infamous "The World Awaits" snorefest had been graced by these two characters battling it out in the main event, boxing would probably have many more fans. Boxing needs all the warriors like Margarito and Cotto it can get. Tremendous fight. I hope both guys go on to many more memorable ring encounters. :boxing: Perhaps I should have been more specific to avoid people from believing I am discrediting Margarito's performance, which is not what I wanted to do. Actually, I think I gave him props but I can understand the confusion regarding that line which was quoted. When I mentioned Margarito's physical advantages, I meant the obvious physical attributes that he had on Cotto, meaning height, reach, strenght, and possibly stamina. I know Cotto had the better handspeed and ring movement, but I see those attributes as part of the skills department instead of physical. Margarito won the fight and performed well overall, but the 4 inch reach advantage, his 3 inch(looked like even more during the weigh in) height advantage, and his sheer superior natural strenght made it impossible for Cotto to match him even with superior boxing skill(movement, handspeed, better jab, better defense,better combinations, etc).

Very well put ZOSOOSOZ.

Are you this retarded? I never said Tony dominated the entire fight. Only the second half of it, whereas Cotto dominated the first. Going into the 11th, the fight was pretty even. lol your last statement. Margaritos fists decided the outcome of the fight. Cotto won some of the late rounds as well, the only rounds that were absolutely dominated by Margarito were 7, and 10, and 11. Rounds 8 and 9 were close, but definitely not dominated by Margarito or Cotto.

Margarito deserves all the credit in the world for never quitting and overcoming a much more talented boxer although, to be fair, Margarito had all the physical advantages on his side. I agree with the basic thought here, but I disagree that Margarito had all the physical advantages on his side. People all over the board keep implying that Margarito had all the physical advantages and Cotto had none. it's just not true. Cotto demonstrated his physical advantages: hand speed and foot speed. Margarito's physical advantage, as has been discussed ad nauseum, was his chin. It's a fine point, I admit, but people who only describe one aspect of the fight inadvertently subtly diminish the performance of one or both fighters. Also, many people are sloppily implying that "Margo's chin won the fight." Again, this flawed idea just does not tell the whole story. Margarito's chin obviously contributed to him winning the fight, but it was a combination of incredible conditioning and willpower, in addition to his granite jaw, that allowed him to pull this fight out. If he wasn't in superb physical condition, all the chin in the world wouldn't have won him this fight. He had to keep coming forward, chasing a quicker opponent all night, while throwing bunches of punches. In fact, his hard work on his cardio ultimately paid off in spades for him because his constant pressure and punches evidently kept Cotto out of his comfort zone and eventually exhausted him completely. Obviously, hitting an incoming "wall," as Max Kellerman so aptly described it, can't be good for your fighting spirit, but it took conditioning and willpower for that "wall" to keep coming forward all night and eventually overwhelm Cotto. Lastly, many people keep saying or implying that "Hitting Margo's chin discouraged Cotto." Well, no doubt. But, it's unjust to neglect crediting Margarito for the will to keep coming forward round after round, even when your opponent is making you look bad (especially early on in the fight.) It must take an immense amount of resolve and faith in yourself to stick to your gameplan, not panic, and just keep going on and on, regardless of what your opponent is doing. That's all I've got. Sure Margarito's chin is unworldly, but there are other factors that people don't seem to be recognizing that contributed to him winning this fight. Props to both men. They are both warriors and fighters of the toughest sort. If the infamous "The World Awaits" snorefest had been graced by these two characters battling it out in the main event, boxing would probably have many more fans. Boxing needs all the warriors like Margarito and Cotto it can get. Tremendous fight. I hope both guys go on to many more memorable ring encounters. :boxing:

You will be when you're thrown in prison and ass raped for hitting hcildren. :) Besides the point.

how do you score power? or how can you honestly tell when someone is hurt? this is a sport and in most sports the person with the better percentage is the 1 winning and that was cotto This is boxing, percentages don't work well in this sport being as it isn't most sports. I'll try to make it easier. I let my 8 year old son hit me 100 times. I hit him once. Who will be in more pain?

Do I need to post pics of who got beatdown worse? *Does the "Make em mad Antonio Margarito" dance* show me a picture of cotto after the fight not during the blood makes it look bad but when wiped of margos face looked worst, cotto has what seems to be a broken nose and a cut above his eyelid but the nose doesn't look broken and the cut is small where as margarito's face was swelled up and it looked like his eye was about to close

Outlanding doesn't equate to winning. You could shoot me 50 times with a bb gun and all I'll need is to shoot you once with a .38. Guess who will inflict more damage? how do you score power? or how can you honestly tell when someone is hurt? this is a sport and in most sports the person with the better percentage is the 1 winning and that was cotto

he didn't kick cotto's ass cotto was kicking his and margarito was lucky enough to get the knock out and it was more of a cotto loss than a margarito win but much respect to margarito fuck all the dumbasses that believe margarito was actually winning the fight before the ko but much respect to margo Do I need to post pics of who got beatdown worse? *Does the "Make em mad Antonio Margarito" dance*

cotto was still outlanding margarito in the second half i think margarito only outlanded cotto in 2 rounds Outlanding doesn't equate to winning. You could shoot me 50 times with a bb gun and all I'll need is to shoot you once with a .38. Guess who will inflict more damage?

Well, you guys are blind acting as if it was a complete domination, a blow out.... Cotto was winning the fight. Margarito's durability and Cotto's fading stamina decided the outcome of the fight, not Margarito's skills. Are you this retarded? I never said Tony dominated the entire fight. Only the second half of it, whereas Cotto dominated the first. Going into the 11th, the fight was pretty even. lol your last statement. Margaritos fists decided the outcome of the fight.

Well, you guys are blind acting as if it was a complete domination, a blow out.... Cotto was winning the fight. Margarito's durability and Cotto's fading stamina decided the outcome of the fight, not Margarito's skills. cotto deciding to lay on the ropes for 10 rounds was the reason he lost

He bulldozed through Cotto in the second half of the fight. After the 6th, Cotto was slowing down tremendously. He owned the first 6 rounds though, quite easily. But Tony did exactly as he said he was going to do, wear him down. cotto was still outlanding margarito in the second half i think margarito only outlanded cotto in 2 rounds

Thing is, the fight was scheduled for 12, not 6 rounds. Its amazing that even though Margarito kicked his ass, people only want to point out what scores they had. Scores become irrelevant when your boy quits. That is why nobody cares about his superior boxing for 6 rounds. he didn't kick cotto's ass cotto was kicking his and margarito was lucky enough to get the knock out and it was more of a cotto loss than a margarito win but much respect to margarito fuck all the dumbasses that believe margarito was actually winning the fight before the ko but much respect to margo

He still didn't bulldoze through Cotto and people are acting like he wasn't even in the fight... He bulldozed through Cotto in the second half of the fight. After the 6th, Cotto was slowing down tremendously. He owned the first 6 rounds though, quite easily. But Tony did exactly as he said he was going to do, wear him down.

Thing is, the fight was scheduled for 12, not 6 rounds. Its amazing that even though Margarito kicked his ass, people only want to point out what scores they had. Scores become irrelevant when your boy quits. That is why nobody cares about his superior boxing for 6 rounds. Well, you guys are blind acting as if it was a complete domination, a blow out.... Cotto was winning the fight. Margarito's durability and Cotto's fading stamina decided the outcome of the fight, not Margarito's skills.

Thing is, the fight was scheduled for 12, not 6 rounds. Its amazing that even though Margarito kicked his ass, people only want to point out what scores they had. Scores become irrelevant when your boy quits. That is why nobody cares about his superior boxing for 6 rounds. He still didn't bulldoze through Cotto and people are acting like he wasn't even in the fight...

These are exactly my thoughts. Its amazing that people act like Margarito outclassed Cotto throughout the fight and it was just a lopsided fight. I had Cotto 97-93. Thing is, the fight was scheduled for 12, not 6 rounds. Its amazing that even though Margarito kicked his ass, people only want to point out what scores they had. Scores become irrelevant when your boy quits. That is why nobody cares about his superior boxing for 6 rounds.

The highlighted portion is important for idiots/fanboys to read who have never boxed or don't understand how to score professional prize fights. what highlighted portion? anyways. It doesn't matter what the scorecards were after 6, just like it didn't matter what the scorecards were after 4 rounds of the Clottey fight. What matters is the end result. Margarito owns both fighters. Williams and Mayweather are next. I had Cotto up 4-2 after 6 rounds and the fight was even after 10. Yes, Cotto boxed brilliantly for 6 rounds. Yes, he saw Tonys punches coming in droves. Yes Tony was slower and Cotto was the better boxer. However, all the matchup of attributes mean shit when these guys step into the ring. Antonio Margarito kicked Miguel Cottos ass the same way Julio Cesar Chavez kicked Meldrick Taylors ass. They took some big shots in the process but in the end wound up as victors. Lets go brady, yes fights are judged per round. Part of the equation is who has the more effective punches. Many times, the guy who punches harder has more effective punches even though he is landing less.