Cause the USA owns, thats why. We are the greatest at everything. We know you various foreigners choke on the sweet air of freedom when you come here but what can we do?
End of thread
Hahaha, your entire understanding of politics has been taught to you by an ironic line from south park.
A dumb as fuck answer to what started off as a good thread, this is why trailer parks shouldn't be allowed internet access.
Apperently they don't teach Euro Trash how to have a sense of humor over there. You whiny bitch.
BTW, do you even know what the f### ironic means dumbass? Your use of the word is completely out of place. Maybe you should have attended an american school.
1. Wlad, Lewis and VK could have competed with heavyweights of any era and held their own.
These giants are also athletes, gifted with hand speed, reflexes, strength and crushing power. They would have made for difficult fights for Holmes, Ali, Louis and Patterson. Not saying they would have won, but it would not have been a cake walk to beat them. In addition to their size, they have unique styles that maximizes their natural advantages, using their height, reach and jab.
Yes and no. Compete, yes I'll give them that but only Lewis and Vitali. I think Wlad would get knocked out too much to keep getting top fights.
Also, I don't think either Vitali or Lewis could be champions in the great Clay, Foreman, etc era.
Compete? Yes. Win? No.
A better three names and statement for you to post would have been "Bowe, Holyfield, and Tyson in their primes could compete in any era at any time. Having a series of wars and title exchanges time after time"
That would be a much more accurate statement.
He's only fighting for the (at this point) nearly meaningless WBO belt. Even if he were to win that would move him only into the bottom of the top ten. Still I think it's enough of an accomplishment to get him a bunch of promos and go out at least looking like he's still the champ.
You are such a friggin moron. I love what a pompous ass you are reffering to "the" top 10 list being a set thing when it's only your dumb ass useless opinion. As if Holyfield isn't on the overwelming majority of boxing fans top 10 HW list right now!
You know what's so hilarious?
I'm a bigger Holy fan than you've ever been. I've followed his career since you first started yelling at your teachers in junior high.
This just in.........just because you have a picture of him in your avatar doesn't make you more of a fan than I am..........in fact less.
Because you genuinely want to see him get killed.
No you keep posting workout picks of yourself in your avatar. Newsflash! This isn't a gay dating site!
BTW, son, if that is you in the pics I am a hell of alot older than you are.
Do you feel inferior to black people?
Why do you refer to white people as 'honkeys'? That's not a normal thing for one of us to do.
Well if you are the measure of being normal I'll take that as a compliment.
Given Toney and Donalds are light years better then Madelone and Saverese.... Holyfield can look good over complete bums any day of the week, I think he lost to Oquendo and he didn't look great against Saverese other then the knockdown's. I think that Holyfield's "comeback" is a scam, they feed him bums so he can get his title shot and maybe win with a lucky punch or something. Ibragimov will be the fresher, (obviously) younger, faster and more powerful fighter in this fight. I don't see how Holyfield has much of a shot barring a lucky punch, Ibragimov injury or a time machine.
Shocking revelation coming from a Lennox fan. If you think Fres won that desicion then YOU KNOW Evander CLEARLY won that second fight with Lewis...CLEARLY!!!!!!
I had Evander winning it 115-113 yes, but after what happened to Lennox the 1st time they could not have given that decision to Evander.
Also I like how you changed the subject ;)
I didn't change the subject, I responded to your Fes remarks in another thread where you wrote the same thing.
A bit racist are we? So you're mad that there are too many good whites in the division? That's what you seem to have said.
I'm sorry if your interest in boxing is limited by racial considerations. MIne isn't
Racist? I'm white! I just acknowledge the truth.
You're still on with that?
When are you going to realize, Holyfield is too old and past his prime to be in the ring with Klitschko. He's at a terrible size disadvantage to begin with, he couldn't deal with Toney's punches that weren't a fraction as hard as anything Wlad would throw.............and his reflexes/timing aren't what they used to be. He's a walking liability and Wlad is the extreme when it comes to Holyfield getting hurt.
An insurance salesman put Holy on queer street on the best damn sports show. Sure he stopped the insurance salesman, but couldn't avoid a haymaker that backed him up to the ropes, and gave everyone a good scare. For a minute it looked like Holy was back to his old form, and then it was clear as day it was only a smoke screen.
He fights two fat, plodding, stationary, nowhere near top ten level heavyweights in Maddelone and Savarese and now he's ready to take over again? This is absurd.
I'm still on about what you sick obsesive fuck? I was making a prediction for who Wlad will fight next. My post had nothing do with Holyfield.
Yeah and you're not a hater. You are genuinely concerned about Holy's health. Fuck you! You aren't concerned about shit you closet hater fuckwad. This post proves it!
Its so redundant and we're no where close to fight time. Theres alot of other issues that could and can be talked about. Its the same dam threads over and over and over and over.:puke:
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I couldn't agree more. It is totally ridiculous! The same thread over and over. SAME GOES FOR HOLYFIELD/ IBRAMOV! Since that fight was announced there has been 5 threads a day saying the same thing over and over and over and over
You are all assuming Chagaev is fine when none of us know how severe this illness is.
If we was fine it would not make sense to pull out of one unifacation bout against a beatable opponent just to sign up for another unifacation bout against the guy who you pretty much know for sure is gonna rock you and end your reign as champ. Makes no sense at all. I think his illness may be severe, just a hunch.
Anyways if I had to guess I would say that Wlad will wait till October and challenge the winner Of Holyfield- Ibramov.
Bowe- Holyfield IMO is by far the best. I don't see how some of you could rank Ali- Fraiser above it. The three Bowe- Holyfield bouts were all amazing from start to finish. The Ali Fraizer fights as good as they were had plenty of so so moments. Granted I didn't watch them live back then but seeing them now they just don't compare IMO. Good trilogy don't get me wrong but the Bowe- Holyfield bouts are in another league.
Also Kball, threads like this feed the xenophobic instincts of the stupid teenage punks who now post here, so I'd say it's pretty irresponsible on your part.
I expect you to delete your post.
You are without question one of the most pompous, obnoxious internet posters I've ever encountered. You're staggering ignorance of boxing is pretty astounding. You make some of the most idiotic comments in regards to the sport. How have you posted on this board for so long with such a narrow ignorant grasp of the sport.....
Now as for the debate at hand....
The heavyweight division is dominated by Euro honkeys right now because america's athleticly talented big men don't go near the sport of boxing. The NFL contains the most athleticly gifted big men in the world. If these freakish spicmens such as the likes of Daunte Culpepper, Donovan Mcnabb, Jamarcus Russel who combine sickly quickness, power, and speed were to choose career paths in boxing america would still own these Euro goobers without question. The Europeans haven't changed, the americans have.
##BTW I'm not saying the above names I've mentioned would be great boxers simply using the example of that type of athlete that dominates american sports.
Don't know if he's my fav fighter, but Tommy Morrison's 5th round loss to Mercer was brutal. For such a brutal knockout puncher with so much power, he just got his ass handed to him viciously. Just goes to show that no matter your power or record, one slip in defense can mean your ass on the mat.
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Haha that was a good one! Time to relive a hillarious piece of boxing history:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fpdeONftgaA
I love the slow mo replay at the end seeing Tommy Gunn get owned. Classic! Mercer- "That guy could've been killed right there"
Now this is a good topic.....
For me it would have to be Holyfield getting rocked by James Toney. I don't think Evander threw one combo the entire fight, it was a sad, sad sight. He was totally defenseless
tyson losing to holyfield - headbutting excessive holding ass wipe
Haha! What are you talking about? Holyfield tossed Tyson around that ring like a f###ing ragdoll! It wasn't even close!
Here is ESPN's description of him, granted this was 7 fights ago so it's not much:
"He must be considered, particularly because he has the look that is in vogue with promoters and boxing fans alike: He is a large -- 6-foot-5, 240 pounds -- and Hispanic. Rodriguez went four rounds in his last fight, which must have felt like a marathon for him. In his previous 18 fights, he won all by first-round knockout, with the exception being Martin Lopez's lasting into the third round before being stopped. Rodriguez recently was featured in The Ring magazine's prospects section. He has taken a step up in competition lately, as four of his last seven opponents had winning records. It might not seem like much, but his first 12 opponents could not crack the .500 level. Is Rodriguez the next Alex Garcia or the first heavyweight champion of Mexican descent? "
It isn't. When Joe Louis was champion during world war the divison was pretty f***king thin as one example.
I am going to go out on a limb and say Wlad and alot of these guys today could hold their own agains Floyd Patterson, Ezzard Charles, Ingmar Johannson, Leon Spinks.
Joe Louis alone makes that period NOT the worst the heavyweight division has ever known, this is, BY FAR!
No he shouldn't have any points deducted, they were unintentional. The greatest trainers in the sport tell you to keep your head down when they come inside. If they get there dome split open tough shit, stay away.
peter would knock moorer the fuck out....
Now that's funny! Samuel Peter who's claim to fame is that he looked decent against a fat washed up James Toney could take Moorer? You are insane! The Teddy Atlas trained prime Moorer would KO Wlad and Peter no problem AT ALL!
Are we sure they'll be fighting?
No not sure, but based on Wlad's comments and the fact that he has no chance of a unifacation bout in his near future, I'd be a bit surprised if it didn't happen.
Wlad would kill him, literally. Evander should not be fighting. The dude is too old. He's going to die in the ring.
As I said I wasn't asking IF he could take him. But since you made this comment I must say, are you nuts?
This is the real world, Wlad isn't Ivan f###ing Drago. He very well might take Holy but there will be no deaths in the ring drama queen.