Why in the world would Holyfield have even a chance?

There is no linear champion right now!!!!! Lennox Lewis was the last and no one beat him! Vitali did very well but lost ! When Vitali did become a champ he did nothing to make himself into the linear champion .

Only if a smaller American HW wins the title will the division be good? I'm not accusing you of implying this, but it could be gleaned from your post. And that's the way half the people on the board think. What if there were five great Russian HWs and no American ever stood a chance with any of them in the ring. Couldn't the division still be great then? Good point, it would. If that happens the eastern warriors have proven better fighters. Still people like the thought of a change because: Too much love or despise for the current champions (either you love them or you don't care) I'm not sure why but this seems the case here. Secondly and most important, this eastern generation did not defeat the last one, they succeded them. The Tyson, Lewis, Holyfields, (Toneys and Morrisons :)). They kinda wandered way lol and they succeded them. The quality of competition is low. Shannon Briggs was just another meat in Lewis way and after Lewis retired, he was champion, among other strange stuff. Thirdly as i already said, people like the underdog. The mere thought of exposing someone (note i didn't say there's anything to be exposed, but can't say there is not either) excites fans. Specially westerns.

I wont say Holyfield will win but I am all for him. At his age he has a dream and is doing everything possible to accomplish it. I respect that and hope he gets a title

sultan had a draw with austin, why would evander not do better lol,,,,,austin also has a draw with larry donald who pummeled holyfield :doh:

Sultan in any other era would be considered a legit tomato can. And this is the same guy that got a draw with RAY FUCKING AUSTIN WTF?!?!? Holyfield will win.

boxing is not that popular in America because there aren't many American great fighters right now, and there are a lot of European fighters, in Europe boxing is really popular. you dont NEED an American boxer for a division to be popular.

This fight will represent the down of the american (western) fighter and the raise of the eastern european (asian) fighter. It will help boxing in the long term because people (specially americans) like the underdog. One day, a unknown kid who noone will give a shit for will have a chance to fight for the belts. If, by work of God he turns out the HW Mayweather, someone western, but good like Klitschko, with a chin (Lewis anyone?) or even better, a smaller guy (so he really is the underdog) fights his way, single handed, to HW glory... People will go crazy and the HW division will better than the WW is today. Only if a smaller American HW wins the title will the division be good? I'm not accusing you of implying this, but it could be gleaned from your post. And that's the way half the people on the board think. What if there were five great Russian HWs and no American ever stood a chance with any of them in the ring. Couldn't the division still be great then?

sultan had a draw with austin, why would evander not do better

This fight will represent the down of the american (western) fighter and the raise of the eastern european (asian) fighter. It will help boxing in the long term because people (specially americans) like the underdog. One day, a unknown kid who noone will give a shit for will have a chance to fight for the belts. If, by work of God he turns out the HW Mayweather, someone western, but good like Klitschko, with a chin (Lewis anyone?) or even better, a smaller guy (so he really is the underdog) fights his way, single handed, to HW glory... People will go crazy and the HW division will better than the WW is today.

I am not a big Holyfield fan but some of those bouts he was injured. In his last 2 fights (since his shoulder was operated on and healed) he has looked like a different fighter. And Vlad's glass chin is always suspect for a KO.

Lets go 7-8 years back and have a look at his career since his loss to Lewis in 1999 2000-2001 He beats RUIZ, than later he in 2001 he loses to RUIZ and then Draws in their third fight. - Do I really need to comment here? This is Ruiz! and it's Holyfield 7 years ago. 2002 - He beats Rahman via a head butt - Again, Rahman. I'll save the comments Later that year he loses to Byrd. (Who is, please note, a southpaw) - Yes he was injured. I don't think the outcome would have been any different. 2003 - TKO loss to Toney. Besides Holyfield, Toney has not beaten a single top HW. 2004 - Loss to old Larry Donald 2006 and on, Evander beats - Jeremy Bates, Vinny Maddalone (has anyone ever heard of these guys???), Fres Oquendo, and another senior citizen Lou Savarese How can anyone give him a chance against a valid linear champion. Yes linear.. he beat the guy (Briggs), who beat the guy (Lyakhovich), who beat the guy (Brewster), who beat the guy (Wlad), who beat the guy (Byrd), who beat the guy (Vitali) for the title? Come to think of it.. there is a curse around the WBO belt.. people can't hang on to it for more than a fight (or two) LOL I guess this curse is Evander's only chance :haha: I'll start shooting holes. First of all, Holyfield deserved to win 2 of the 3 Ruiz fights if you've actually seen and scored them. Next, he got outboxed by Byrd with a torn rotator cuff. You know, the same injury Vitali suffered against Byrd, and fucking QUIT. There's no shame in losing to Toney considering they are both small heavyweights and Toney is a sick counter puncher who tore him up. The Donald loss looked to have ended things, but the man is completely healed now and appears rejuvenated. I don't know who he can beat, but he DOES have a chance. As good a chance as any in this joke of a division. It is because the division is so bad that he has a chance.

Sultan has very quick and heavy hands.. I think the Evander will fall. I would really hate to see that beating. I agree on all points. This guy may be a can, but Sultan can shoot some good, fast, hard combos. http://youtube.com/watch?v=57GcuAQdcCc

I can't see Holyfield winning, it just seems impossible to me. I think its gonna be a wide UD for Sultan Sultan has very quick and heavy hands.. I think the Evander will fall. I would really hate to see that beating.

I can't see Holyfield winning, it just seems impossible to me. I think its gonna be a wide UD for Sultan

Because these fans are delusional crackheads. Go fuck your mother....... and see if she has any more crack while you're at it, I'm out.

Because these fans are delusional crackheads. LMFAO!!!!!!

Well people want to have the old Holyfield back and all... In reality he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. EDIT: I had Oquendo beating Holyfield.

Lets go 7-8 years back and have a look at his career since his loss to Lewis in 1999 2000-2001 He beats RUIZ, than later he in 2001 he loses to RUIZ and then Draws in their third fight. - Do I really need to comment here? This is Ruiz! and it's Holyfield 7 years ago. 2002 - He beats Rahman via a head butt - Again, Rahman. I'll save the comments Later that year he loses to Byrd. (Who is, please note, a southpaw) - Yes he was injured. I don't think the outcome would have been any different. 2003 - TKO loss to Toney. Besides Holyfield, Toney has not beaten a single top HW. 2004 - Loss to old Larry Donald 2006 and on, Evander beats - Jeremy Bates, Vinny Maddalone (has anyone ever heard of these guys???), Fres Oquendo, and another senior citizen Lou Savarese How can anyone give him a chance against a valid linear champion. Yes linear.. he beat the guy (Briggs), who beat the guy (Lyakhovich), who beat the guy (Brewster), who beat the guy (Wlad), who beat the guy (Byrd), who beat the guy (Vitali) for the title? Come to think of it.. there is a curse around the WBO belt.. people can't hang on to it for more than a fight (or two) LOL I guess this curse is Evander's only chance :haha: seems like half are just ignorant when it comes to boxing and the other half want him to win so badly it clouds there judgement. I for one have always been a holy fan but Ive wanted him to retire ever since the ruiz fights. he clearly cant beat top 15 guys anymore and he's just setting himself up for a painful rest of his life if he doesnt hang them up. My heart is pulling for him to win but I realize his chances are slim and none