I believe Dana White use to be a boxing promoter before he got into UFC so he isnt strictly a casual fan although you could argue he may not as into it as he use to.........
I completely agree and I've been watching fights since I was a little boy. I have not seen a decision as bad as this one in a big fight EVER. It was a CLEAR win for Pac. Bradley's confidence went out the window by the 4th/5th round and you could see it in his face. This decision was a shame.
What sucks is that a particular group of people don't care about it, they just want "their" type of guy to of win so they can talk shit.
Another thing I find funny is that boxing fans claim it's just Arum. Boxing fans in general hurt the sport as much as him.
I completely agree..........people who continue support known cheats (Margarito etc) is one of the main reasons boxing is dying............
Yup just like the ones that support Jones, Toney, Mosley, Peterson, Vargas, and others.
Top it off the ones that can afford to pay for fights and rather not spend on the sport they love. Yet they call someone like Arum greedy.
So you agree that you are part of the problem....am I correct?
So I have read the threads and gone over the extreme thinking this place always seems to have and I want to put another perspective on this fight and Victor Ortiz.
First off, while being a former boxer, I have never had my jaw broken. So I don't claim to know the pain that goes with it. I understand many other fighters have, Ali, Paulie, Abraham, Rudduck, etc...That however, doesn't really mean anything in the larger scale of things.
Should Ortiz have continued? For me the answer is yes with a BUT though. He should have continued because there was only 3 rounds left and he could have survived and he was ahead on all the score cards and I had him ahead as well. It was clear his trainer wanted him to continue but Ortiz felt he'd had enough. I have never suffered a broken jaw so I won't act as if I know what that feels like. I have suffered a broken nose and broken hand during a fight and I can tell you the nose was way worse. I made the mistake of blowing it and my eyes swelled up and I couldn't breath and it was tough. My hand was different, I think the adrenaline made the pain less than what it really was and I just fought through it.
I see Ortiz in this way, I think he's a Ricky Williams type of athlete. Not in personality so much but in the fact they were born with incredible physical skills but inside they aren't built for the sport. See, boxing is for poor people, for people with nothing that come from terrible circumstances. Now Ortiz comes from such poverty but there is something about him that detaches himself from the violence in the ring, to the same attitude outside the ring.
I once saw and interview with Ricky Williams where they went to his home and he didn't have one piece of football memorabilia up in his house. He wanted to recollection of football. He was more interested in holistic medicine, Buddhist ideals and listening to music. Victor seems the same way, he's a beast physically but his heart and his mind are not "vicious", he seems more calm cool and relaxed. He's said on many occasions that "boxing isn't everything to me", and you can tell.
When a fighter says "I will die in the ring" people scoff at that and think it's bravado, it's not for many fighters. Fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez who means it when he says it. I think because of where they came from and how they were raised. Hard, unforgiving and surrounded with a level of poverty and despair that even though Ortiz had a tough time, he still lived in the U.S. I also see Ortiz as a kid who sees a future beyond boxing so to him, it's not worth getting seriously hurt and have his future in jeopardy.
Unfortunately he will be criticized for this to no end and it's going to be real tough to over come this. I believe Ortiz is a nice guy, maybe too nice for the sport and he doesn't want to leave it all int he ring. he would rather live to fight another day and sees boxing as simply a means to an end. Shame, because the kid has all the tools.
Not sure about this. US is the most successful nation when it comes to boxing and most of the champs came from poverty......
I can assure you most Europeans don't know who Floyd is, except maybe the Brits.
I can assure you most, if not all, of latin America/Asia dont know who the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPS are....(remember, this tag use to be the most prestigous in all of sports)
Put an American/Brit flag and then color them black and then put them in black and white film............you will get a much different poll result.
Like I've been saying, watch how when the Klits retire they're going to call the first American/Brit guy an ATG and making up fantasy fights about him after winning two belts or so.
It's hilarious they call someone like Wlad/Vitali boring but yet they turn around and like Floyd/Hopkins/Ward and others "exciting".
Conversely...its funny how you call the Klits exciting but call Floyd, Hopkins/Ward boring.....cant have it both ways mate......
How bout you change that to Floyd, Ward or Hopkins and go around the world and ask that. Apart from Britain with Floyd, you'll be surprised I bet.
We all know Pac is much more exciting than most of the boxers out there. Including Floyd!
Funny since you're one of the people who accuses me of being Pro-Mexican.
Yes, outside of Estern Europeans....im pretty sure most people would watch Floyd fight than the Klits...in my honest opinion
They knock the **** out of most of their opponents don't they? I mean Tyson did it to bums and people got all excited over that.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that their is a massive difference between the Klits comp and Tysons comp...... they both knocked out bums...only difference is Tyson never had a height and weight advantage over his opponents....
Furthermore, the klits have a better ko ratio than pac man.....i know, as well as most non biased fans know who they would rather watch.....
He knocks most of his opponents out and he's so boring that he sells places out with thousands and thousands of people to see that boring person fight. :headbang: What an accomplishment!!!
I see that Wlad Klitshcko has a higher KO percentage than both Mike Tyson and Pacquaio............if people would rather watch Pac and Tyson fight over Wlad, does that make them racist?
Lets see.....Tyson and Wlad beat bums....only Tyson did it quicker and more exciting........they both sold out arenas....only Tyson did it in 3 continents...while Wlad only does it in Germany......
I'm not saying it's a bad resume or anything like that - that's stupid
but it isn't some amazing atg resume like some believe. I'm a fan of Froch btw.
Do the same analysis of Calzaghe's resume.........................
pfft. I take shyts bigger and more cut than that.
lol @e anyonwho thinks he's using steroids. Seriously go to a gym for once in your life.
If he is using steroids, Ariza clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
Not to be a clown mate but how would you look at a pic of him and deduce that he cant be on roids........
This is your first mistake. Why exactly dont you think he tried to cheat? He took Steroids, which were basically undetectable to regular commission tests yet never reported it. He then got caught, and asked where he could have taken this steroid and said he didnt know. After a 2nd test to conform the 1st test, he "remembered" taking steroids even before the first fight.
WHy did he hide it until being caught?
THen his doctor comes out and says he regulated his Teste ratio to 3.77 : 1 when the average levels are 1:1 and acceptable levels are 4:1
Every single thing leads to believe that he absolutely tried to cheat.
And him saying he didnt think it helped him in any way....then why do it in the first place?
I havent really followed this case but what steroid did Peterson take?
For starters Ward-Bika......
GTO here with this bull**** man......look back at the Ward-Bika fight........their WERE FIGHTING WHILE CLINCHING.......Molina was CLINCHING UNTIL REF BROKE IT UP.........
As previous stated before....I bet if you asked Molinas fans before the fight which type of fighting style they hate, I bet they would say style like Ward and BHop....but once Molina fights the "same " style....all of a sudden its "who cares, he was winning".....
And, the ones who are criticizing Molina are the ones that are justifying Hopkins/Ward...Go figure....
Exactly...but you seem intent on only looking at it from one point of view....that somehow Molinas ethnicity works against him........I havent once seen you point out to Molina fans that they hate on Ward/Hopkins when they do it.......TBH Im no fan of Ward/Hopkins but accept they are great fighters......
I'm criticizing anyone who is ****tin on Molina while defending Ward and Hopkins actions...Which is you too. I don't have to bump anything. You defended Ward in this thread.
My post is to anyone who feels that they need to defend their action. Kind of like you. I don't got to mention any names or bump anything. If you're reading my post and and feel offended so much so that you feel you need to defend yourself, or you think I'm about you...Then yes I am talking about you. Go cry about it.
Again....
Exactly...but you seem intent on only looking at it from one point of view....that somehow Molinas ethnicity works against him........I havent once seen you point out to Molina fans that they hate on Ward/Hopkins when they do it.......TBH Im no fan of Ward/Hopkins but accept they are great fighters......
So I guess Molina punching Kirkland before during and after the clinch didn't count???
Never said that.......
But answer this..........Hopkins and Ward are roundly criticized for clinching and holding on this sit, but the same people who criticize both fighter are the same ones justifying what Molina done.......was this what you were trying to get out this thread?
Calzaghe would had destroyed Ward and with ease I might add!
Ward's style play perfectly in to the hands of Calzaghe!!
Lol...on what basis......
Who did Joe beat that was as versatile as Andre...........inb4 Jeff Lacy.....
Ruiz was mediocre but I can understand how people can see it as a good win due to the weight and being something no one has done ever. Now if he would of fought Lewis(who was the real champ) and beaten him then no one has any room to hate on that. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Still better than 90% of the Klits competitors..............
Are there any Klitlickers that could be described as "level headed normal posters"? :hahahaha9: I mean seriously, Klitschko fans are pretty much all like crazy cultists :chuckle9:
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Agrred....a number of Klit lovers were making the case, especially after he dismantled Adamek, that this was the best version of Vitali....that he was inexperienced when he fought Lewis at the time and how the version that beat Adamek would beat Lewis......
I like him and peep his vids a lot....but I hate how when he meets a new person...the first thing he asks them is "Manny or Floyd"....that sh!ts played out
Cheating is cheating. :rofl: Funny how you guys love to twist it.
What, you mean like Vitali cheating and getting booted off the Olympic team....trying to say Tito cheated is reaching there buddy....