Froch's resume - nothing legendary

Don't go overboard Good resume but some of the **** I'm reading here is embarrassing and the people who say it must have only been watching boxing for 3 years. Lets break it down. Jean Pascal - Went on to win 175 lbs title (top win), Lost to 46 year old Bernard Hopkins comfortably after Calzaghe beat Hopkins 3 years earlier Jermain Taylor - Lost 2/3 fights before Froch including a crushing knock out, ahead on scorecards and stopped late due to his typical stamina problems. KOed badly once again in fight after Froch - Past prime Andre Dirrell - Obviously a good fighter but who the hell has he beat? Can someone tell me please? does he have any distinctions? Never a champion or anything - Unproven Arthur Abraham - Beat 1 guy at 168 and that was Jermain Taylor who had lost 3/4 fights with 2 by KO, way too small from the weight and really hasn't done anything at 168, no real notable wins at 160 either. Glen Johnson - 43 years old... yes I know he beat Roy Jones like 6 years ago but the guy hasn't beat a good fighter in years. Lost 4 of last 6 with only wins being Yusaf Mack and Allan Green - Past prime Lucian Bute - Champion in his prime but as many are saying.. untested really, never went in with the best and it showed. Losses Kessler - Close but clear loss (IMO) to a guy who has been fighting injuries for a while now, not in his prime anymore. Calzaghe beat prime undefeated Kessler. Ward - Top fighter in the division by a mile, top 10 p4p.. no shame here. So what we have is a guy who has beat 2 Past prime fighters (Johnson, Taylor) 2 Unproven (Dirrell... Bute to a degree) 1 Too small in reality with no real notable wins (Abraham) 1 Prime top class fighter (Pascal) The super 6 convinced a lot of people that these guys are Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran etc.. Truth is some of them were untested going into the super 6 and some still don't have any real top class wins to generate the hype they get.

Comments (20)

MJ223

Respect for Froch..... No matter what u think of his resume

14y ago

Kev

Dawson claims to walk at 178, claiming he only drops down 3-4 pounds, and if I'm not mistaken I've even seen him at 173 at the scales once. I'd have to believe him because every time I see him in interviews outside the ring not fighting. He looks like he can just enter the ring without training. So maybe it won't be THAT hard to drop down 10lbs from his walking weight. This is not exactly Ricky Hatton, or Erik Morales we're talking about here. Who do not/did not take care of themselves like proffessionals between fights. Eating a lot and drinking a lot, Dawson doesn't do that to his body. He doesn't abuse it.

14y ago

Light_Speed

Yeah, I usually agree with new england. But Pascal is not a bad fighter at all. The only fighter in Hopkin's 40s career to visibly stun him and knock him down is Jean Pascal. And I don't even remember Hopkins getting knocked down in his 30s either. And no matter if I thought Hopkins won both fights against him, no one can act as if the first fight was not close at all. Pascal is a very good fighter and I can see him being probably the top 3 in the Super 6, if he had joined it. Right after Ward and Froch, he had probably been the best, with only Dirrell to worry about. Kessler is too stationary to beat a wild guy like Pascal. Abraham is even worse. Taylor was so past it and out of his league at 168, Pascal would have probably stopped him. Pascal/Kessler would be a good fight and yeah Kessler would have all kinds of problems with a moving target like Pascal. Textbook fighter vs wild unorthodox fighter, both got tremendeous pop.

14y ago

New_England

14y ago

IronDanHamza

Ward vs Dawson is a great fight but the thing I don't really understand is why Dawson is fighting him at 168. So what happens if he wins? Is he staying at 168? Does he go back to 175? Does he fight in both weight classes just fights whatever big fight is available? I agree. Dawson asked for it so I'm guessing he believes he can make the weight healthily but you would think that would be difficult considering he's been at 175 for so long. I'm guessing IF he can make the weight then he'll just take any fight between 168-175. I guess we'll find out at the weigh in or the opening bell.

14y ago

New_England

So he's not an elite fighter but he won the majority of the rounds against Dawson whom you consider elite...:thinking: i dont remember calling dawson elite certainly not in this thread. perhaps i did. it's a topic for another day, but i would call dawson an elite fighter on his best day. absolutely. and i wouldn't with pascal. dawson's got a much better resume than pascal on paper and in terms of the tangibles he's a much better fighter he doesnt let his hands go and that lost him the pascal fight. his fight with pascal was pretty awful and i have not watched it in some time. i remember thinking that pascal won the fight but was in real danger of being stopped or at least put down late in the fight before the clash of heads i think it was a counter uppercut that shook him. it certainly wasnt the type of victory that made me say "wow, pascal is a better fighter outright than dawson." i thought dawson lost it more than pascal won it

14y ago

crold1

I have that same worry. I can give him credit for beating Dawson no matter, but fighting at 68 could carry some silly advantages and take away from the fight (IF that is ultimately what happens...still not actually signed I don't think). Makes more sense to go up and do it rather than Leonard-LaLonde it for promo reasons. It's not going to help sell a fight that ain't going to do huge numbers no matter.

14y ago

IronDanHamza

I want to see how the weight plays out. Dawson hasn't been that light in six years. I have that same worry.

14y ago

Kev

So has Froch. This whack champion beat Dawson clearly so what does that make Dawson? Pascal is an elite fighter and his fight with Froch was actually as close as Foch's fight with Kessler, I had Froch winning by a couple points but it was a war. Yeah, I usually agree with new england. But Pascal is not a bad fighter at all. The only fighter in Hopkin's 40s career to visibly stun him and knock him down is Jean Pascal. And I don't even remember Hopkins getting knocked down in his 30s either. And no matter if I thought Hopkins won both fights against him, no one can act as if the first fight was not close at all. Pascal is a very good fighter and I can see him being probably the top 3 in the Super 6, if he had joined it. Right after Ward and Froch, he had probably been the best, with only Dirrell to worry about. Kessler is too stationary to beat a wild guy like Pascal. Abraham is even worse. Taylor was so past it and out of his league at 168, Pascal would have probably stopped him.

14y ago

gmc_rfc_06

Froch beat Pascal very clearly. I had it 116-112. The Kessler-Froch fight was much closer. Both were brilliant fights though.

14y ago

Light_Speed

a guy who could be one of the greats if he let his hands go but doesn't pascal is not an elite fighter and i thought it was competitive but a clear victory for froch So he's not an elite fighter but he won the majority of the rounds against Dawson whom you consider elite...:thinking:

14y ago

New_England

So has Froch. This whack champion beat Dawson clearly so what does that make Dawson? Pascal is an elite fighter and his fight with Froch was actually as close as Foch's fight with Kessler, I had Froch winning by a couple points but it was a war. a guy who could be one of the greats if he let his hands go but doesn't pascal is not an elite fighter and i thought it was competitive but a clear victory for froch

14y ago

crold1

I'm not going to completely disregard Ward vs Bute. But for now, Froch put an end to any talks of Ward needing to fight Bute. If Ward is the classy man he seems to be, he would take Froch out to dinner(no homo), for what Froch did to Bute and getting him off Ward's back. But like I said, if Bute can bounce back, and put himself in a position where Ward HAS to fight him, then I'd like to see Ward add Bute to his win column. For now, Froch killed that fight 100% for me. Agree it would be a mistake to assume Froch-Bute tells us how Ward-Bute would have gone. Ward would have been favored but he isn't capable of raking Bute out like that. Much different fight. Froch made the question irrelevant for now.

14y ago

Light_Speed

Devon has had good level of opposition but has been dominated in his loss. So has Froch. pascal is not a terrific fighter. one of the worst lineal champions ever. This whack champion beat Dawson clearly so what does that make Dawson? Pascal is an elite fighter and his fight with Froch was actually as close as Foch's fight with Kessler, I had Froch winning by a couple points but it was a war.

14y ago

crold1

I just hope Dawson makes the weight healthily. If Ward beats Dawson. It's a wrap. He's the greatest Super Middleweight ever IMO. I want to see how the weight plays out. Dawson hasn't been that light in six years.

14y ago

Kev

I just hope Dawson makes the weight healthily. If Ward beats Dawson. It's a wrap. He's the greatest Super Middleweight ever IMO. I'm not going to completely disregard Ward vs Bute. But for now, Froch put an end to any talks of Ward needing to fight Bute. If Ward is the classy man he seems to be, he would take Froch out to dinner(no homo), for what Froch did to Bute and getting him off Ward's back. But like I said, if Bute can bounce back, and put himself in a position where Ward HAS to fight him, then I'd like to see Ward add Bute to his win column. For now, Froch killed that fight 100% for me.

14y ago

crold1

depth? length / strength of his tenure? 3 time champ has a great ring to it all agreed. hearing all of this praise for froch coming from you is making my day. the taylor fight was a classic bute fight was a huge upset and a terrific performance. a goup de grace he sealed the deal with me a while back, but i think froch is the real deal. if you want to beat him you'd better be damn good and eat your wheaties. the bute win was icing on the cake. i'm just not ready to see that guy in the hall of fame cliff, you got a vote, brother what are your BWAA buddies saying about froch? you think he's at least going to have his name on the ballot if he retires tomorrow? Haven't had any convos like that. It's an interesting question and one I prefer to ask in a couple more fights. Benn and Eubank can't crack the ballot but they didn't blow it out during the internet BWAA voters age either. There are only a few guys I would declare hands down living future HOFers. I wouldn't tag Froch there yet, but he could get there with another big win or two. I noted in another thread Vic Darchinyan has a similarly ballsy resume and I WOULD vote for him over some of the guys who beat him on overall resume if everyone retired today.

14y ago

IronDanHamza

Ward vs Dawson tears me apart. Two of my favorite fighters, Dawson being more of a favorite for me. I'd hate to see either of them with a loss to eachother. But it has to happen to claim their greatness among the active higher weight class fighters. The best thing about this fight is that they're both prime and the loser will not exactly become a bum all of a sudden(well in nsb they might). I think with Dawson vs Ward, we're pretty much getting our modern day '93 Jones vs Hopkins, obviously to a lesser extent. But I feel like, though Ward and Hopkins are alike, it's actually Dawson who's playing Hopkins role in this fight. In that Dawson has 1 loss and is very good but is seen as the underdog, Ward is undefeated and is expected to win in a close fight like Jones. With that said, the winner of this fight, likely Ward very close, will have fought just about everyone important that was available to fight in his era. If it's Ward, he'd just have to add the Pascal-Cloud winner and he'd have fought absolutely everybody that he could fight at 168-175. If Dawson wins, he would need to get a win over the Pascal-Cloud winner, then beat Froch, and he'd have done it all in his 168-175 career. I just hope Dawson makes the weight healthily. If Ward beats Dawson. It's a wrap. He's the greatest Super Middleweight ever IMO.

14y ago

crold1

I wouldn't say Johnson was outstanding. It was a decent win but Froch was expected to win and Johnson was obviously well passed it. But, coming off an impressive KO and considered up there, atleast. I feel it's a decent win. Taylor I feel was a good win though. Considering no one gave him a chance and he pulled it out. I don't think it's fair to not credit him for that win. Johnson wasn't THAT far gone and still made a hard fight. It was the second best action scrap of the tourney and Johnson has been old for a long time. Only the very best have yet made that an issue. As to Taylor, I gave him a shot but picked him to lose too. Taylor was faded but he gave Pavlik a hard rematch and was hardly a spent shell. Taylor fought his ass off that night and Froch broke him down slowly over the course of the fight (something many were missing because they were looking at Taylor's head hunting too close). It was a hard fight start to finish and Froch came off the floor and up big when he had too. That was outstanding to me.

14y ago

Kev

14y ago