He reminds me of Danny Garcia.
Teo should stay away from Boots or the entire welterweight division for that matter.
We don't need a repeat of Danny.
Yeah, Boots is massive in comparison to Teo, but Boots is a pretty huge welter. It remains to be seen what he can do at WW, though I agree it will be challenging. He needs to adapt a more fundamental game plan moving up in weight and age but not sure he'll be able to develop that under his father.
I'd dial back some of the clinching rules to allow for more "dirty boxing" tactics. Return the sport to something that more closely resembles a "real" fight. You can see boxers even now resist the urge to pull their opponents head down while punching. It's a natural part of fighting.
Reducing the amount of rounds on the whole could be a good move as well. It would remove advantages from certain fighters, but would allow more compelling fight cards to be constructed. Though this would drive down the purses for fighters too I think.
If AJ had a world class shit talking game he could probably goad Jones and his gigantic psychopathic ego into standing with him. Jones' boxing is pretty bad even by MMA standards (watch him hit the pads lmao), but yeah, low single into elbows from hell and Joshua's face ain't gonna be the same.
I think it's just a numbers game. Black fighters are still probably the majority of fighters in America and since we seen them more often, we see more styles than let's say a Mexican who wants to just get in there, put a lot of pressure and take your head off. That's not to say that they don't have their own aggressive fighters when I think of Crawford or Spence Jr. who come to mind. Though yes, a lot go the technical route and since there are a lot of black boxers in boxing, I think we just see it more often from them than when you think of another ethnicity.
Lately however, I'm seeing more technical Mexican boxers, so the styles are becoming more varied between the different cultures and although when you think of Mexican style, you think take 2 to land 3 with a lack of defense, there is more and more lately who are adding technical skills to their game. Heck, Canelo is probably the least Mexican style boxer these days and the most popular. I know he can bang when another fighter decides to engage him, but him just going through the motions of the fight, he's more on hit and showing off defense.
I think the internet will h-omogenize boxing styles slowly over time. All the information is out there for the taking.
I don't know of a single book that covers training through all of boxing history but most books that cover a period will at least touch on the training in that period.
How and when Jewish boxing diverged from Christian boxing in the late 1780s can be found in Bareknuckle 1722-1888 by Chris Shelton, likewise that book will reference the connection between black american and jewish english boxers.
When and how training came to America and how white training differed from black training in America can be found in Kevin Smith's Black Genesis: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1760-1870
But to be clear if you're interested in learning the history of training that's going to require a bunch of different books that are really about different subjects. As you get more modern in time it's easy and you can get a single book for say the 70s-now, but for older generations it's really a challenge
I've books ranging from ancient sources originally written on papyrus and etched in stone to modern books from modern trainers and writers and I've written a few let me explain the full history of this or that threads but not yet done training because it's a seriously under focused subject in boxing history. I'm getting pretty close and can answer the origins for a few things we just take for granted, like when sparring came to be, but still can't do the full history of training any justice.
I can recommend Matt Dunnellon's Peter Maher The Irish Champion. Despite being a bio book it's also a very good era book.
Boxing in the time of Christ is a solid introduction to ancient boxing, it's a good overview book that's not too terribly weighty.
Colorline era ethics are probably best handled by Kevin's sequel to Genesis; Sundowners.
I'm sorry bud, off the cuff that's all I can remember having decent training sections. Those will cover bare knuckle for you pretty good and the very early days of Queensbury before the bodies.
Cheers, happy researching bud.
No, no this is perfect. Much appreciated.
Blacks and Jews invented hit and don't be hit back boxing and it's still reflected in their training lineages. Most black fighters have black trainers, most black trainers learned from black trainers.
Why fans don't appreciate it is beyond me. But why blacks are more defensive is because of the colorline and training lineages. Whites kept them out of their training along with jews, blacks and jews buddied and invented a new way of training to protect themselves better because they could not get big fights they made up the money loss with fighting a lot more often and to keep their body able they fought defense first. Jews left boxing, or rather, are not represented in larger numbers by the mid 1900s which left only black boxing to carry defense first fighting.
Obviously these days everyone's a lot more mixed but like a lot of things the differences go back to racism and racist divisions in society.
Can you recommend some reading on this subject? Not questioning your assertions, but would like to read about this history.
Helenius, who is on video getting gifted a hometown decision against MMA fighter Sergei Kharitanov, went 7. Takam, who was unable to finish 40 year old MMA fighter Fabio Maldonado who was once stopped in 35 seconds by a guy Ngannou has knocked out, went 10.
How many degrees of Kevin Bacon is this?
Maybe it looks that way because you're mostly watching guys who made it to the elite level. But there are plenty of fighters from ex-Soviet countries who couldn't transfer their amateur skills to the professional code.
I don't think there is a best style considering the rock/paper/scissors outcomes we get in boxing. The guys you named mostly fight with different styles though, have talents that the average fighter doesn't have. Those step-arounds Loma does are associated with elite amateurs, but I don't know that the Soviets used them more than anyone else. Ernesto Marcel was using some of the same footwork as Loma in the 60s and he was from Panama. The world is smaller than ever and lots of boxers are influenced by tape of guys fighting thousands of miles away.
Interestingly (to me at least) the 'Cuban style' still used by guys like Lara and Rigo was taught to the country by a Soviet boxing coach decades ago, even though most Soviet guys didn't really fight with that style, at least from what I've seen.
I think the Cuban style is a mix of the Soviet style and North American professional styles (and Salsa of course!). There is significant cross pollination I think. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can expand on or correct this but, I believe Sugar Ray Robinson was heavily inspired by the Cuban boxer Kid Chocolate.
Of course, it is reductive to assign styles to geographical regions. Nonetheless it makes for interesting discussion!
Fury looked like he doesn't have an ounce of muscle on him.
Sometimes I wonder if fat is more efficient than muscle in heavyweight fighting. You get the mass and keep the fluidity and snap, without the potential stiffness and loss of speed (though fat will obviously slow you down as well, but in a different way I reckon) that extra muscle could bring. Kind of like how pitchers and hitters in baseball are fat now? A bit of bro-science for sure, but an interesting thought none the less.
Both fighters with exceptional but totally divergent footwork styles; that would be the most interesting element of the matchup. Who has feet like Ali? I think Muhammad's hand speed and lead right hand would be big problems for Usyk.
Yall are getting trolled by an account who's user name is a Frank Dux reference. C'mon Tanakasensei, quit picking on old men on the internet. It's low hanging fruit.
Canelo is a blown up 154, it's not much of a stretch for Crawford. They're the same height and Crawford has a longer reach. No one's saying Crawford would beat Benavidez.
Besides, Canelo fights at 168 because it makes weight cutting easier and his golden boy status and leverage allows him to choose the opponents and contracts. If he was forced to actually take on all contenders at his class he would be fighting 154-160 guaranteed.
Yeah washed up Fury was able to repeatedly nail him with lead uppercuts from outside but I'm sure Lennox would struggle.
These new age fans are on the ready rock, no doubt. Too much Jake Paul.
C'mon bro I'm just saying it would be an interesting matchup. No need to get in a huff about it.
Lewis is prettywidely recognized as a top 3 ATG with Ali and Louis
Nobody cares about the opinion of some nobody on a forum
So basically your rambling, pointless nonsense is just that.
Ahh I see. You're just a fucking whiner. It's a discussion dickhead.