Is the Soviet style the best style ?

Maybe it looks that way because you're mostly watching guys who made it to the elite level. But there are plenty of fighters from ex-Soviet countries who couldn't transfer their amateur skills to the professional code. I don't think there is a best style considering the rock/paper/scissors outcomes we get in boxing. The guys you named mostly fight with different styles though, have talents that the average fighter doesn't have. Those step-arounds Loma does are associated with elite amateurs, but I don't know that the Soviets used them more than anyone else. Ernesto Marcel was using some of the same footwork as Loma in the 60s and he was from Panama. The world is smaller than ever and lots of boxers are influenced by tape of guys fighting thousands of miles away. Interestingly (to me at least) the 'Cuban style' still used by guys like Lara and Rigo was taught to the country by a Soviet boxing coach decades ago, even though most Soviet guys didn't really fight with that style, at least from what I've seen. I think the Cuban style is a mix of the Soviet style and North American professional styles (and Salsa of course!). There is significant cross pollination I think. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can expand on or correct this but, I believe Sugar Ray Robinson was heavily inspired by the Cuban boxer Kid Chocolate. Of course, it is reductive to assign styles to geographical regions. Nonetheless it makes for interesting discussion!

-growing up fairly poor but not poor enough you can't afford to eat. These guys eat very well, lots of meat, fish and micronutrients aswell as clean air. i have friends from norway and sweden, they are much healthier than us brits, but they are too soft in mindset, there is no fighting mentality there anymore. -already having strong genetics. -a culture that encourages fine arts and analytical thinking in children and pushed them to succeed. -governments who invest in olympic/amateur boxing and training because they have a sense of pride... the US government used to invest, it hasnt for 25 yrs.

Guys like Usyk, Loma and Beterbiev are very underrated in the clinch. Beterbiev is due to his experience in other combat sports (Wrestling, Judo etc.) if you watch, he uses wrestling angles to avoid getting clinched. Usyk showed how underrated he was this weekend when Fury found out he wouldn't be able to grab him and lean. Loma is the best technician in the clinch that I've seen in boxing. Obviously there's Muay Thai fighters who are better, but they have more tools available as well.

soviet super soldiers pumped with roids before guys like floyd and canelo started to copy them

they fight in armatures for a very long time gives them an edge; but they dont usually fight well on the inside; because in those areas the ref usually breaks it up as soon as they are on the inside, something ive noticed from just watching them Guys like Usyk, Loma and Beterbiev are very underrated in the clinch. Beterbiev is due to his experience in other combat sports (Wrestling, Judo etc.) if you watch, he uses wrestling angles to avoid getting clinched. Usyk showed how underrated he was this weekend when Fury found out he wouldn't be able to grab him and lean.

I just looked at Golovkin in the Olympics, seems to resemble Bivol a lot more. It's the Soviet Pendulum, Bivol usex it to perfection.

they fight in armatures for a very long time gives them an edge; but they dont usually fight well on the inside; because in those areas the ref usually breaks it up as soon as they are on the inside, something ive noticed from just watching them

What about Inoue or Crawford? Could throw Canelo in the mix as well. What ties all those fighters together? IMO, discipline and humility when it comes to craft. All of the fighters you've named have spent their entire lives in the gym honing their craft. Not a one of them is known for partying, getting bored and staying out of the gym, doing coke, committing crimes and getting arrested, etc. The people who take it seriously and train like professionals and keep learning and practicing new tools will always have a leg up on the competition. What we see in the ring is generally that they have more tools in the toolbox. Forget style, the science of boxing has a variety of skills. Many boxers don't even master the basics. And under stress, you'll default to the lowest level of training. Hours count, and all of those fighters are known for being back in the gym immediately. I suspect they have vastly more training time than their peers.

I wonder what else could be responsible besides the Soviet “style”? Perhaps state sponsored health and wellness programs. I think it may be the fact they tend to stay amateur a little longer, even into their primes. I think that extra time developing and honing skills makes a huge difference. You see the opposite in the NBA where these 1 and domes usually need 2-3 years to develop. They don’t come in as skilled and developed as like an MJ or Shaq that stayed 3yrs in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4vjCTv1wGA Referring to this type of training, I'm assuming all fighters named above went through these type of training programs.

Bivol is the only one that uses the Soviet style. I just looked at Golovkin in the Olympics, seems to resemble Bivol a lot more.

I wonder what else could be responsible besides the Soviet “style”? Perhaps state sponsored health and wellness programs. I think it may be the fact they tend to stay amateur a little longer, even into their primes. I think that extra time developing and honing skills makes a huge difference. Also reduces damage taken, thus keeping punch resistance rather high. You see the opposite in the NBA where these 1 and domes usually need 2-3 years to develop. They don’t come in as skilled and developed as like an MJ or Shaq that stayed 3yrs in.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a stylistic thing, but generally Eastern European fighters tend to be very well coached. They all have good fundamentals. Even the killers like Golovkin, Kovalev, Beterbiev etc set their shots up correctly. Then on the flip side the more technical guys like Loma, Bivol, Usyk still turn those punches over as we saw in the 9th round last weekend. They always seem very well rounded and complete​​​​​, at least at the very top level anyway.

Bivol is the only one that uses the Soviet style.

Is it the most optimal style humanly possible ?. We need one of those super super duper computers AI enhanced to input this question into & wait for 45 years for it to calculate the answer

All of their styles are totally different. This is just mind numbling ridiculous reductionist american buffoonery. Admins can close this thread if they want, I forgot about the audience, who knows boxing actually in here ? Certainly not me.​

All of their styles are totally different. This is just mind numbling ridiculous reductionist american buffoonery. They look to have systematic consistent footwork, Different then in English boxing gyms or in America.

Beterbiev, Bivol, Usyk, Lomachenko. Those styles can all be traced back to the soviet style system. Is it the most optimal style humanly possible ? Would the 80s and 90s have been different if the Soviets could compete ? Surely I must be so looking to the current day boxing landscape. All of their styles are totally different. This is just mind numbling ridiculous reductionist american buffoonery.