If this fight (assuming Spence goes undefeated) doesn’t happen it’s going to be a damn shame. It probably will but I’m afraid it might be too late seeing as Spence is busting at the seams. Hopefully they get this done soon. Winner of Spence porter will probably face pac and Crawford will probably face imam and mean machine, after that there should be absolutely no excuse to unify the division
Canelo was setting up that overhand right for some time before the ko. Not convinced the result would be much different with a clen free canelo. Regardless of personal feelings towards canelo, he is still smart and skillful without supplements
Pretty much just here to milk us Americans for our money
Yeah it’s awful right? Immigrants trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.
Get off your high horse. If your surname is any indication of your heritage, at some point one of your ancestors immigrated over and gifted you the privilege to become an American. Unfortunately for them they’re sacrifices were wasted on you
Unknown offers cannot clarify intent to those not involved in negotiations. Oscar could have sent Hearn turkey basters and rolling pins as an offer for this fight, doesn’t mean anything until the ink dries.... and even then, ie Saunders/Murray or something even more relevant, ggg/canelo 2
Word is that the 1st time they sparred Errol was hitting him nonstop & Floyd couldn't get off the ropes then someone from his team stopped it. Floyd was talking sh*t then kicked him out, 1/2 her later he sends someone to get him & tells him no one is pushing him like he did so asked him to stay....they sparred bout 5 more times & they said Floyd was Floyd. Guess he slept on Errol but only once. That's how I know Floyd would beat him.
Sounds sensible, I’d be hard pressed to name someone today that can adapt as quickly and adeptly as Floyd. Ward is the other guy that comes to mind when I’m thinking about the ability to neutralize opponents.
Against current Floyd sure, rumor has it Spence touched up Floyd a bit during some sparring a year or so ago.
It’s hard to favor anyone in this current era against a prime money may Floyd.
Would be pleasantly surprised if this happens, an intriguing matchup. Large boxer puncher vs first class smaller counter puncher. Danny most likely takes this if he fights off the backfoot and utilizes his jab.
It’s possible Danny shows no respect for the much smaller canelo and tries to walk him down at some point of the fight which may leave him open to counters as he has the tendency to get slapped in exchanges. But I’m not seeing that canelo has the firepower to put Jacobs down.
Danny deserves more credit for his chin, just because he got slept from pirog doesn’t necessarily mean he’s chinny. After all his grandmother who raised him passed away several days prior to the fight and 8 months later he discovered an osteosarcoma had wrapped around his spine that nearly paralyzed him. I’d say those circumstances may have created an outlier in his performance.
lil g fans already branded jacobs a bum before lil g fought him...when they thought he was ducking over money
"omg who this guy think he is...he got murdered by pirog and even dropped by sergio friggin mora hahahaha"!!!
Logically it makes no sense to denigrate an opponent against the fighter you’re backing. It accomplishes nothing, in fact it can be potentially damaging if the opponent has a good showing. If someone were a “fanboy” they would do anything in their capacity to elevate their fighter even if that means inflating the importance of the opponent rather than diminishing them. Your post runs counter to what you’re trying to imply
my post doesnt run counter to anything...did you read it? i said when they thought jacobs was ducking over money(there were many rumors that jacobs had financial demands that were stalling getting the fight signed)
during that period, when they thought jacobs was looking for a way out, they slandered jacobs....because they thought the fight wasnt going to happen
try reading next time
Regardless of whether they believed Jacobs was ducking by pricing himself out, how would branding him a bum help their cause in regards to hyping ggg? I feel that your post runs counter to what a typical fanboy would do. Sorry if I misread that, maybe some people did state that, but it seems silly if that’s the case
In regards to HIPPA violations records would have to be released by the fighter so there wouldn’t be any issues of privacy. But even if implemented, it doesn’t guarantee complete transparency. Physicians from governing bodies or a healthcare network can have questionable ethics. Medical records to exonerate culpability should be taken with a grain of salt unless you can guarantee the arbiter to be impartial
...typical TripleCUCKs defend their glazed cock no matter what.
Perhaps this trash shouldn't have fought a homeless person on a 2 week camp after 2 year layoff and a career in JMW coming off a loss.
"End thread."
You’re right, he should’ve pulled out of his scheduled fight; then get suspended for ped abuse. Calling people cucks when your profile name extols a drug cheat who waited 2 years for ggg to get older just shows you’re a massive canelo ****sucker.
I feel that your legacy is cemented when you’re just past your sell by date, manny is way past that. In my eyes his atg status can only improve at this point in his career, loses are expected at his age and circumstances, but big wins (against top level fighters in their prime, ie. not Matthysse) would reflect very well looking at his career posthumously.
Bruce was fanatical about all forms of martial arts and the ability to amalgamate them organically. I doubt he’d just practice boxing, so he probably wouldn’t find himself boxing at the elite levels. He’d probably be more likely to fight in mma, but even then he didn’t care for competition or rules.
Stevenson hasn’t fought a mandatory in something like 5 years and he still holds his wbc belt. It’s acceptable that they enforce a mandatory defense but the manner in which they’re going about it is so blatantly biased.
If Horn beats Crawford we’ve all been swindled into believing Crawford is 1 or 2 in the p4p ratings. It would be a colossal upset when Horn barely eked out a questionable decision against a shop worn Pac. But everything is possible.
In regards to Horn vs Spence, I don’t think the result would change. Crawford fights well on the back foot, only way he’d lose to Horn is by not handling his aggressive physicality and conceding his space. I think Spence is just as big and strong as Horn and won’t be bullied around the ring.
Huge win for Hearn. Bivol looks to be the future of 175, hope he can get some good matchups on this platform. Hbo has one foot in the grave, but they are still hanging on by a thread due to having a few marquee fighters.
I think you're giving PEDs too little credit. If you're able to train non stop with the ability to recover quickly all those attributes you mentioned will improve. You're right, PEDs won't turn an average boxer into a great boxer. But it can turn an average joe into a professional boxer. If you go to any gym right now you might find 4 to 5 really good athletes mixed in with a bunch of people that will never improve. Imagine going to a gym where the entire gym is made up of really good athletes. That's the world of PEDs.
I know the old boxers didn't have the modern PEDs thats available today. That was a different era. Those were the days where you had really good boxers mixed in with a bunch of average joes that boxed.
I agree, it should not be taken lightly. Taking PED’s like clen might not greatly improve baseline physiology, but instead it augments the speed at which you can build on that baseline. So my viewpoint is that PED’s don’t necessarily increase your inherent skills, but they change the trajectory of growth upon those skills.
I have a theory that cleanelo is innocent lol reason being is that lumbering orc of a mother he has was hand fed clenbuterol in her adolescence when she competed against other cattle and won several coveted biggest cattle in tijuana awards. Furthermore when she birthed canelo at a ranch she inadvertently passed on some of the clen which is why canelo has deformed skeletal features and unnatural look. It's down to nurture not nature I'm afraid.
Best thing I’ve read on these forums. I dislike that woman more than I should for being a complete stranger to me.
His hand and foot speed are severely underrated, and his boxing IQ is phenominal. Even when his power isn't there, he will still be able to win 12 round UD's pretty good.
I still kinda want him to demolish Nery after the Tapales fight, but can't be too greedy
Nery doesn't deserve that Inoue payday after all the shenanigans with the Yamanaka fight. I agree with your sentiment, but the payday (even in the US since Nery is banned in Japan) would outweigh the beating he would take. F Nery, Robeisy and Lopez at 126 would be great.
Judges should've used the robbery for this fight. Stevenson can't put away a guy when his PCT is in the 40%. Pillow fisted for sure. Hopefully Tank can end this dude, Jesus the most punchable face in boxing. With guys like Ryan Garcia, Haney, and Teofimo Lopez that's saying something
so many alts.......
''naw, this aint no alt !''
did you make this one just to enter a thread you didnt make and and say it should be closed.
why not just stay out :dunno:
Idk what an alt is. I’ve read through most of the thread, posters like koba-Grozny are putting out actual sensible and cohesive thoughts but you flat out ignore them. That’s why you’re either a troll or your cognitive capabilities are lacking in the ability to understand.
Let this thread die, it’s comprised of 80% Elroy the great trolling and some sensible posters wasting their time trying to start an actual dialogue about an area of the sport that needs an overhaul but is being drowned out by idiocy.
Maybe sweet pea at 147 could fair ok against hearns... but then I think about what he did to Benitez and duran, albeit an older, lesser version of Duran
Mikey going up to 147 was a cash grab, he might not even be able beat a top 5 at 147. At 140 the only belt holder he could handle is probably Ramirez. it’s unlikely he could beat prograis or Taylor, he already had his hands full with Lipinets. Loma is his biggest fight atm the moment
Talks of guarantees don't matter, since Canelo owns his shows anyway; will keep that separate for now.
Fight clears $50m, even split gets each fighter $25m.
If Daniel Jacobs is the opponent, the Mexico TV money doesn't really change, and they still sell out T-Mobile Arena and do good business on the closed circuit with MGM Resorts (instead of Kazakhs making the trip, and Mexican-style fans enjoying MID weekend with Mexican and Mexican Americans, black folks and urban America will have a reason to make the trip).
The biggest factor left in flux is PPV, and here Alvarez will be working with an opponent who can easily do all of the English press in a clear and cogent way, with a story that can add a bit to the fight for the non-hardcore fan.
1.4m homes is an ask for Alvarez-Jacobs, but topping 700k should be easy, and I don't see 1m being out of the question.
Split the pot 80/20 Alvarez (voluntary fight for the lineal middleweight title, that's not unreasonable), and Alvarez gets his $25m with the fight doing well less of $35m.
A million homes at $65/$75, once all outside parties are paid, nets out something like $30m. The take with MGM Resorts for the fight (gate/closed circuit) is easily worth a net of $15m. The Mexico TV (the two-tiered setup is pretty ingenious) is likely worth another likely $10m. The rest of the revenue add their bit to the pot.
My point is that even if the PPV did zero business, there's still enough money coming in from everything else, on a 80/20 split with Jacobs, to basically get him what he'd get by splitting things 50/50 with Golovkin, so such a deal wouldn't make sense.
Thank you for your insight, I’m not well versed in the logistics behind the financial distribution in fight cards so this was enlightening.
For me, it just seems unlikely that Jacobs is any kind of draw relative to a canelo vs ggg fight. But if taking his 80:20 split means he can clear more, I guess financially it makes more sense.
Money aside, I just figure canelo would want to cement his status in the mw division by having the opportunity to topple the mw kingpin. Especially after all the controversy behind his positive ped tests, victory could placate hardcore fans that he is legitimately the man at mw.
Usyk now has the knowledge that he can hurt Fury and that he can take fury’s power, he’s going to press for a stoppage. Not getting caught will be harder for fury than before
Real shame what has become of Gassiev, even though he came out of the WBSS as second best he had some momentum left. Could’ve competed in the second series or started being more active in the HW division. He’s still young, hope his career picks up again because he’s an exciting fighter. Seems like we hear about a lackluster matchup involving him ever year or two
How you react to problems can and should be criticized if your response is 100% within your power, unencumbered by outside influence.
A plumber can't effectively stop a leak if your home builder decided not to put a water control valve within reach. They can certainly try, but if they can only limit the water, that's not the plumber's fault, it's the home builder's fault.
Trump has been battling a House that has done everything to stall what he wants to do. You've got idiots like AOC pushing agendas about farting cows, phony Russia investigations, impeachments about nothing, complaining about emoluments (which he hasn't violated), complaints about Jared, complaints about Ivanka (who arguably is doing more work than her dad), attempts to stop the wall that we need, a bunch of whining about sex with an adult star, etc etc etc. Now they want to impeach him AGAIN over some document Mueller put out over a year ago. Why not do it back then? Because they knew - and know - it's BS.
He's tried since the day he got in there to put a travel ban in place - only to get called xenophobic. Now people are criticizing him for not shutting down the borders to stop the virus. Yeah, because people kept blocking him from doing it.
You can't be effective when you've got people who waste taxpayer money on nonsense getting in your way.
Wuhan is not a race. Your analogy is a fallacy.
My quip about you making sweeping generalizations pertains to your comment that I’m 100% accountable for this virus even though I’m not from Wuhan. I could only discern that your remark was attributable to my chinese heritage... so no, not a fallacy, just the observation that you think I’m somehow responsible for a pandemic only because of my skin.
Finally it’s pretty simple to see that any response is within your control. No problem exist within a vacuum, especially in something as complex as public health policy. Nobody troubleshoots unhampered by circumstances, nor should you be absolved of any responsibility. Your analogy to a plumbing situation is clearly a poor example as there are degrees to efficacy in how the pandemic can be handled as exemplified by other nations. I understand that they can’t be compared in absolutes because of variances in population size and differences in transmission, but our country has suffered the most by far in terms of casualties and economic distress.
I’m really not sure how anybody could not criticize Trump with the way he’s handled the pandemic from a public health standpoint. Whether it’s his musings on air about injecting disinfectants or his repeated promotion of hydroxychloroqine. It’s absolutely irresponsible when you’re in the public eye where the uneducated are susceptible to influence.
I’m not an expert on foreign policy or economics but my background experience is extensive in clinical pathology (micro specifically) and also industry R&D, particularly in molecular diagnostics development. So it’s appalling to me that very little preemptive measures were taken to develop the infrastructure for a robust screening program with federal oversight.
You can say whatever you want about how Trump handles his other business but the situation we’re in now could’ve been mitigated if he took this pandemic more seriously as opposed to saying well there’s only 5 people infected and this virus will just miraculously disappear.
Do you love this man so dearly that you don’t hold him accountable for the death toll being higher than it should? Makes no sense to me, no one is beyond reproach and I’m our fanaticism is showing. Good luck man
Says a lot that Kovalev never had the courage to move up to cruiser. Nearly every great tried to move up and win. Enough of this guy.
Most cruisers nowadays are 2-3 inches taller than kov and walk around at 210-220 at least. I can’t see kov walking around at more that 190-195. Also there are several ATGs that never moved up hagler and monzon namely. Great LHWs like Conteh never moved up