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Am I looking at some kind of dive? Who drops BOTH their hands and tenses their arms in the face of a wind up punch? https://lh3.ggpht.com/-4L_pGG0sWBc/Uq0oY_g_ADI/AAAAAAAAAZk/MLOiCZQYqoA/s400/MAID334.gif guys who've been in the ring, ever done this?

Looking for that Duran/Leonard(?) gif where Sugar does the little foot dance when he won't stand and trade. if someone knows what I'm talking about, knowing where in which fight this took place also helps. sil vous plait. :boxing:

..if anyone knows, what were the odds on Mayweather scoring a very early stoppage?

It's dated as hell and 2/3 of them mofos shouldn't be on anymore. >_< I nominate Sergio, Froch/Ward winner, and Hopkins to replace the oldies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnny-benjamin/apparently-floyd-mayweath_b_406887.html "..the current methods related to detecting Hgh in blood samples are only useful for about 48 hours after injection; after which the tests reliability drops dramatically. Therefore from a medical or scientific perspective, Floyd Mayweather is supported in his conclusion that to adequately test for banned substances, blood must be drawn randomly. Scheduled sampling and cut-off dates serve only to provide necessary information for unfair manipulation of the system."

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That's the whole story for Team Mayweather when it comes to Manny v. Floyd. What do all these threads trying to scrutinize what Floyd's thinking keep popping up for? It's been plain as day. If everybody wants to see this fight the pressure has to be put on Manny not Floyd. May's not budging, so Pac should call his bluff if he really thinks he's chicken.

One major thing his dad had right last night was trying to push Zab in a different tactical direction when it was clear they couldn't bulldoze Lucas. I'd drop the Floydish defense since it's partially for withstanding pressure (something Judah just doesn't handle well) and turn Zab into a complete offensive machine. Make his offense defense. Make him circle, commit to the jab and throw, get in and out. Don't wait. Be first as much as possible just to keep the speed on his opponents. Stop looking for big clean hits and just focus on contact any way you can get it (ahem stop neglecting body punching Judah) and getting away.. the shots will come when his opponents fall behind on the cards. Waiting to counter with the big shot just isn't a good fit for him imo. He looks like he would be more comfortable if he was trained to just be more offensive elusive.

..I have never felt punches like that in my life. Smh @ this kid getting his career destroyed and his promoter protects Marg. Miguel Cotto got cheated out of remaining the #1 Welterweight. No doubt in my mind, he'd of been #1 right now if he beat Margarito... think about how physically & mentally tough he had to be, to be winning most of that fight against brick. He got a rawer deal than Paul Will. At least that sh didn't get hard until the championship rounds. Tone was committing assault for most of that fight against Miguel.

The nerve of this guy complaining. That mtherfuker was not tossed out the ring in any way, and is blatantly lying about the final sequence. Paul wasn't hurt for shit... he hits Cintron with a left, Cintron fires back a right and misses, Williams throws a right of his own and misses, Kermit then leaps out of his own accord. I don't believe for a second all that carried Kermit to ringside without help.. PLUS that mofo ain't even physically hurt after all that acting. I knew last night, if he wasn't physically hurt it's bs. Yea, let's see a doctor stop me from gettin up. I'll KO HIS ass to get back in there if I know I'm fine. http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6443/cintronfail.jpg

and one of his flight test ringside.

Watched it again, Kermit did not like that left he got hit with. Even a glancing shot from Paul had enough mustard on it to make him quit (I thought it looked harder at full speed). Hahahahaha @ nobody believing Kermit got hurt.

Yall seen the gif posted. Look at how Floyd doesn't react at all after the first shot Mosley throws low. He doesn't roll his shoulder to the left or motion with his head in any way to get away from the right coming immediately after it. Conclusion: He wasn't expecting it. He didn't get hit from being too slow or needing to get warmed up in the fight to time Sugar. Shane just snuck a crafty 1-2 in there that Jr. didn't anticipate. You could say that's more to do with Shane, but with Floyd's level of aptitude for D, he should've been embarrassed to get caught like that. He was lax on the guard there.

It's really fked up when a mild mannered, decent dude gets beat up like that. He was verbally shredded during 24/7 and then gets humiliated in the fight on top of it.

He comes back from the long layoff and boxes the ears off Marquez. Turned the aggression back on against Mosley (hadn't seen that since Judah). Now in his next camp he can make it interesting by putting together longer, crisp combos to put these cats away from here on or at least making it likely. I think he can beat anyone within 3 weight classes right now too.

None of that hometown crap. You can call just about any fight that will go to the cards in a 8-4 7-5 affair to the house fighter. It's not even relevant I don't think that it's actually the right call, the fact that there's a slant present for the home guy is bugging me. You fight in Atlantic City or wherever.. and you use judges from none of the respective countries. Fkin simple.

Pacquiao is one and I know Tommy Hearns was gettng KO's well above 147. How many others?

nevermind.................

Ivan Drago punching at 2150 PSI on roids and Rocky taking his punches for 15 rounds when he had been repeatedly put down and even KO'd by Clubber Lang who had less than half the power of Ivan and was also dropped a couple by Apollo Creed who had even less power than Lang! Stallone is a funny guy. In real life, you'd get killed pretty much just like Apollo did in the 2nd round by anyone that punched as hard as Drago on roids.

If Top Rank and Team Pac won't let him have peace of mind on the testing and he really feels he might be dealing with someone holding an unfair advantage, he should pull out of the OST argument and do this to level it back out. This fight will never happen as it is right now, so fk it, I'm saying it.

Despite beating Manny in every facet as the bigger draw (even if it's slightly)... He submitted to 50/50 pay, 147, puncher's gloves, and an unprecedented (and even ridiculous) 10 million per pound weight violation penalty. You would think he was the no name B-side the way he's got nothing he wanted in this apparently 1 sided negotiation process. Floyd asks for 1 thing, 1 thing (to rule out any cheating due to cycling PEDs which happens to also be unprecedented) and we hear the biggest crybaby excuses I've ever heard right up there with, "toothaches", and "..we played basketball together." Superstition? Fear of needles? "No, It will weaken my fighter!" (like Floyd won't be under the same scrutiny) Are you kidding me?! That's all it takes to send Manny and Freddie Roach running for cover? A black cat, a shattered mirror, and a Friday on the wrong day of the month? GTFOH! I hope the Mayweather's hammer this juicing scandal into the ground now. I don't even really like Floyd and I can see through this fake indignation by Top Rank and Team Pac. I hope they go out on an all out assault in the media. A fight of this magnitude, with this kind of revenue on the table not going down because of fear of random blood testing to satisfy the pros and the public on the doping issue... SMDH.

Who here knows? Is this done randomly throughout a camp by the comissions or just before fights?

I expect to be flamed, but screw it, it needs to be said just to be said. I'm targeting any pro athlete who may do this. When it comes to performance enhancement, illegal products shouldn't be the only things looked at anymore. I know Floyd Sr. is wrong to accuse Pacman of steroid use, but he should've at least did his homework before putting THAT label on Manny. Alex Ariza pretty much through it in Sr.'s face on what he was doing. You can take all kinds of store shelf supplements to satisfactorily mimick the effects of everything from Viagra to the big S without any illegality. The question should really be, do you look for certain products to blacklist, or do you rule out any outside form (anything that isn't diet and exercise) of performance enhancement period? I mean for real, what do you guys think? If you're taking something that's perfectly legal, but it's giving you the ability to train harder and longer and is comparable to a banned substance.. isn't that still technically performance enhancement? What am I getting at? HGH releasers. They initiate growth hormone effects via boosts in chemicals your body naturally produces and you can get such products from GNC, your local pharmacy probably, the internet, etc. Nothing illegal about it, can't be detected, but it shouldn't be mixed up in competitive sports where you want to be 100% certain the playing field is level.

I'm talking 40 million before incentives. That's the only way he doesn't sit out and wait for Cotto/Pac I think. Pac could very well lose and screw up their mega fight, and taking on Shane at that high a cash grab may only be for this short window because this is a fight by popular demand and it's before Nov. 14. Imo, this is actually the best time for Floyd to try and muscle the big wigs on an obscene amount. The least they could do is call his bluff if he were to throw out some off the wall number.